Prometheus SPOILERS FROM POST 1538

shootermacg · 04-06-2012 06:45PM

pixiebean22 wrote: »

Just had this exact same conversation with my boyfriend. I assume if they are making a sequel to the prequel she won't be in it unless she has adapted to survive off whatever is on the space jockey ship.

Did you not see the stasis pods in the ship?

tok9 · 04-06-2012 06:45PM

pixiebean22 wrote: »

Just had this exact same conversation with my boyfriend. I assume if they are making a sequel to the prequel she won't be in it unless she has adapted to survive off whatever is on the space jockey ship.

I'm pretty sure she got some supplies from the escape pod before heading away. She definitely threw something in a bag anyway.

conorhal · 04-06-2012 06:48PM

krudler wrote: »

AND, if she took another ship that we'll assume is the same as the one they find and where most of the movie is set, that means there's thousands of canisters of the goop on it as well if they were using them as cargo ships, which just restarts the whole thing again, she's basically flying a ship of doom looking for the engineers homeworld who we're told were smart enough to not build something like that on their own planet. So they go to the lenghts of terraforming a world and using it as a base of operations, and then this human scientist with a dodgy English accent comes along piloting a ship of death to their homeworld?

Logically there shouldn't be a homeworld left, it has to have been destroyed by aliens. I mean if you lost contact with your teraforming/bio weapons 'secret moon base manufacturing plant', wouldn't you imagine that at some point SOMEBODY would have come and had a look to see what the hell was going on?
And why are there as david mentions 'thousands of ships' still on the planet? Why did none of them just leg it? After all they seem in perfect working order.
Ultimately what cheesed me off the most about the film was the fact that it really wouldn't have been hard to fix any of the more stupid and irrational plot points.
For example, the 'don't open the door and risk a biohazard contagen' scenario. The door could have simply been opened by the unseen Weyland, and everybody then starts accusing each other of having broken protocol, it would have really added some much needed paranoia and tension and provided a reason for Weyland's presence being revealed at the end.

pearsquasher · 04-06-2012 06:56PM

Also...the script suddenly reveals via David..guess what...there's plenty of other ships....so our hapless adventurers just happen to find the one with Mr. Angrypants in stasis but alive?.....*picks up ignition whistle. How convenient..
Small other gripe. It's a common contrivance in scifi to have a singular homeworld.....who's says Mr spacejocks people have one?... that they care about.? Why cant they be nomadic for example...or frackin part of an intergalactic diasproa?

conorhal · 04-06-2012 07:03PM

pearsquasher wrote: »

Also...the script suddenly reveals via David..guess what...there's plenty of other ships....so our hapless adventurers just happen to find the one with Mr. Angrypants in stasis but alive?.....*picks up ignition whistle. How convenient..
Small other gripe. It's a common contrivance in scifi to have a singular homeworld.....who's says Mr spacejocks people have one?... that they care about.? Why cant they be nomadic for example...or frackin part of an intergalactic diasproa?

It's possible, but I don't believe that I saw either a caravan trailing along behind the alien craft, or a (alien) horse outside....

JacksonHeightsOwn · 04-06-2012 07:04PM

it was crap, absolutely crap!!!

Mickeroo · 04-06-2012 07:05PM

pearsquasher wrote: »

Also...the script suddenly reveals via David..guess what...there's plenty of other ships....so our hapless adventurers just happen to find the one with Mr. Angrypants in stasis but alive?.....*picks up ignition whistle. How convenient..
Small other gripe. It's a common contrivance in scifi to have a singular homeworld.....who's says Mr spacejocks people have one?... that they care about.? Why cant they be nomadic for example...or frackin part of an intergalactic diasproa?

There could be thousands of engineers in stasis with some of the other ships too. They could be the last of their kind (unlikely though, considering how the film ended).

shootermacg · 04-06-2012 07:46PM

krudler wrote: »

ha yeah, what if the jockeys had to wear the helmets in space? we see the one in the chair suit up in it, is Rapace going to have to wear her own helmet once it breaches the atmosphere? how much oxygen does that suit have? ?

When flying a craft from atmosphere to space, it's standard operating procedure to wear a suit because of possible leaks in the hull, NASA has this procedure also. I think after the android is repaired (which was the purpose behind her returning his body to the ship) she will hit the stasis pod and he will fly the ship.

Mickeroo · 04-06-2012 07:52PM

shootermacg wrote: »

When flying a craft from atmosphere to space, it's standard operating procedure to wear a suit because of possible leaks in the hull, NASA has this procedure also. I think after the android is repaired (which was the purpose behind her returning his body to the ship) she will hit the stasis pod and he will fly the ship.

This is probably what will happen which is a bit annoying as after the events of Prometheus there's absolutely no way she would place that much trust in David. It was really annoying how nobody called David up on his borderline saboteur activity through out the movie. Vickers never questioned him about turning off his camera in the derelict for example. Shaw more than anyone has no reason to trust him after he wouldn't remove the baby alien thing from her, they even suggested she sussed he was responsible for Holloway getting sick.

daenerysstormborn3 · 04-06-2012 07:53PM

That shows an amazing amount of trust in someone who hasn't really earned it though. And I suppose she's going to fuse his head back onto his body, is she?

krudler · 04-06-2012 07:59PM

pixiebean22 wrote: »

That shows an amazing amount of trust in someone who hasn't really earned it though. And I suppose she's going to fuse his head back onto his body, is she?

maybe he's like Wurzel Gummidge

shootermacg · 04-06-2012 08:05PM

pixiebean22 wrote: »

That shows an amazing amount of trust in someone who hasn't really earned it though. And I suppose she's going to fuse his head back onto his body, is she?

She just needs to do what he tells her to do. And as for the trust issue, she has little left to live for except for the question that brought her there in the first place.

daenerysstormborn3 · 04-06-2012 08:11PM

That question is all that seems to drive her though so I think that makes the whole thing even more important to her and if that was me I'd want someone I could really trust helping me.

So just stick the ship on autopilot, hop into the pod for a nap and a bit of sustenance and hope David hasn't fed her a line of BS and nothing happens while she's snoozing? hmmm

Sand · 04-06-2012 08:26PM

Psychedelic wrote: »

Shaw asks David to take the thing out of her, but he, in an oddly hostile way, refuses to. He then sticks a needle in her back to knock her out. She wakes up, ends up removing the thing herself, but doesn't confront him afterwards, nor does she mention to the rest of the crew how weird David was acting and that he refused to remove that squid from her. There were other instances of David acting weird that the crew didn't really respond to.

I'm still utterly confused as to why David infected Holloway.

It's pretty clear that Holloway was being a bit of a git to David all the way through the film (and its not explained why Holloway dislikes David or synthetics in general), but David is a robot - he cant return the dislike, especially to a murderous level. Other synthetic characters in the films, notably Alien have acted against the interests of their crew, but only in the pursuit of mission directives where the crew were considered expendable. So if David suddenly developed the ability to dislike people its pretty extraordinary - but not explored at all as far as I could see.

David had already smuggled the black goo onto the ship so he didn't need a host or a research project.

Weyland (and Vickers) were on the ship, so introducing the infection on board was clearly dangerous to Weyland as its spread was unpredictable (to Shaw for starters). So I don't see it as being mission instructions - David is otherwise entirely deferential to Weyland and takes no hostile act towards him right to the end.

David doesn't try to infect anyone else, and reacts without interest when Vickers kills Holloway and Shaw carries out the c-section. He seems to be indifferent. Nobody bothers to inform the Captain there's an alien in the medical bay before they suit up and head out for the last time.

He had some chat with Holloway just before, questioning Holloway as to what he would do find the answers he sought from his maker, but its seemed to me to be typical pseudo-philosophical twaddle

Its just very odd behavior and otherwise out of character - everything else David does is arguably in the interests of Weyland primarily, and the crew secondarily. Even on his actions regarding Shaw's pregnancy, her colleagues seemed to agree it was the best course of action as they showed up to prep her for cryo without complaint.

daenerysstormborn3 · 04-06-2012 08:32PM

What was it that Holloway said to David? "because we could" or something like that, maybe that's why David did it?

Mickeroo · 04-06-2012 08:38PM

pixiebean22 wrote: »

What was it that Holloway said to David? "because we could" or something like that, maybe that's why David did it?

That was my thinking too. i think it was hinted that david was developing emotions and such throughout the film.

daenerysstormborn3 · 04-06-2012 08:41PM

Mickeroo wrote: »

That was my thinking too. i think it was hinted that david was developing emotions and such throughout the film.

Yeah there was a few things here and there pointing toward that, doesn't make much sense to me, but it was hinted at. For some reason he didn't seem to like Holloway from the start, trying to remember if in the first scene where they were all introduced properly to David and Weyland if there was any dialogue between Holloway and David.

Mickeroo · 04-06-2012 08:43PM

pixiebean22 wrote: »

Yeah there was a few things here and there pointing toward that, doesn't make much sense to me, but it was hinted at. For some reason he didn't seem to like Holloway from the start, trying to remember if in the first scene where they were all introduced properly to David and Weyland if there was any dialogue between Holloway and David.

He was openly sarcy and hostile towards Holloway in some places I thought(well he basically killed him sure:D), it should have been adressed a bit more in the film i think.

Sand · 04-06-2012 08:59PM

The problem is though you'd assume that Davids mission included ensuring the survival of Weyland, who was also on the ship. Releasing an unknown alien black goo with unknown consequences was clearly not a good idea from Weylands point of view - evil, heartless corporations from a distance, sure but I just cant see Weyland volunteering to be on the same ship as a science experiment.

And I could buy David developing emotions - but no robot ever has in the series afaik, and its totally unexplored. David just appears to have this sudden freak out where he poisons Holloway for little or no reason, leaving the puzzled audience to come up with theories to explain this otherwise incomprehensible development.

My theory is the scriptwriter got lazy. The producers wanted "black goo + humans = mutants" and the scriptwriter couldn't be bothered developing a plausible means for this happy outcome so just said "David did it. Because money. Look, its magic. What do you want from me?".

opinion guy · 04-06-2012 09:02PM

pearsquasher wrote: »

Also...the script suddenly reveals via David..guess what...there's plenty of other ships....so our hapless adventurers just happen to find the one with Mr. Angrypants in stasis but alive?.....*picks up ignition whistle. How convenient..
Small other gripe. It's a common contrivance in scifi to have a singular homeworld.....who's says Mr spacejocks people have one?... that they care about.? Why cant they be nomadic for example...or frackin part of an intergalactic diasproa?

She asked David could he fly to their home world. He said yes. Therefore there is a homeworld.

pixiebean22 wrote: »

Yeah there was a few things here and there pointing toward that, doesn't make much sense to me, but it was hinted at. For some reason he didn't seem to like Holloway from the start, trying to remember if in the first scene where they were all introduced properly to David and Weyland if there was any dialogue between Holloway and David.

Mickeroo wrote: »

He was openly sarcy and hostile towards Holloway in some places I thought(well he basically killed him sure:D), it should have been adressed a bit more in the film i think.

Well Holloway was a dick to David from the outset. I think its reasonable to assume given he was programmed to simulate human emotions - just as he was obviously programmed to act as a son to Weyland. Anyhow someone is a dick to you you are more likely to be a dick back. He's programmed to simulate that.

Quite apart from that - I imagine he chose Holloway, because apart from being a phenomenal douche, which he was, he was also the most expendable one on the ship. He was an archaeologist. He wasn't needed once they got there. David had studied all his notes during the journey we were told. Everyone else had a purpose. Even Shaw who was apparently both an archaeologists and a lab scientists/doctor/reanimation expert.

Mickeroo · 04-06-2012 09:13PM

Sand wrote: »

The problem is though you'd assume that Davids mission included ensuring the survival of Weyland, who was also on the ship. Releasing an unknown alien black goo with unknown consequences was clearly not a good idea from Weylands point of view - evil, heartless corporations from a distance, sure but I just cant see Weyland volunteering to be on the same ship as a science experiment.

And I could buy David developing emotions - but no robot ever has in the series afaik, and its totally unexplored. David just appears to have this sudden freak out where he poisons Holloway for little or no reason, leaving the puzzled audience to come up with theories to explain this otherwise incomprehensible development.

My theory is the scriptwriter got lazy. The producers wanted "black goo + humans = mutants" and the scriptwriter couldn't be bothered developing a plausible means for this happy outcome so just said "David did it. Because money. Look, its magic. What do you want from me?".

Since david is a much earlier model than Ash/Bishop it could just be imperfections in his programming or something.

horgan_p · 04-06-2012 09:23PM

I guess my question , having seen it just there is :

Would it have gotten made if there were no mention of Alien (the movie) or Ridley Scott ?
In other words does the film stand on its own 2 feet ? for me the answer is no.

shootermacg · 04-06-2012 09:37PM

Mickeroo wrote: »

Since david is a much earlier model than Ash/Bishop it could just be imperfections in his programming or something.

There;s a scene where David relays Weyland's message, which was "Try harder", shortly after that, he contaminated the douche. Why did he do it so soon, because Weyland didn't have a lot of time left.

I personally liked the movie and would like to see more.

The Sparrow · 04-06-2012 09:59PM

So did most ppl not really like it then? I thought it was pretty good!

I just assumed that stuff they left open (like why David poisoned Holloway) would be addressed in a sequel. There could be any number of reasons but my theory is that David developed some emotions and developed a thing for Shaw during the journey there so he wanted to get Holloway out of the way. That would also explain how he acted when he found out she had sex with Holloway and was infected too so he abandoned her in jealousy.

Overall, I thought it was really intriguing and it kept me interested for the duration.

Vokes · 04-06-2012 10:08PM

The whole film seemed like there was a bunch of scenes left on the cutting floor - it felt very uneven. I bet there was some stuff left out which further expanded on Holloway's apparent animosity towards David/androids.

Elsewhere, was it explained how Janek surmised from the geo-mapping that there was an engineers' ship underneath the temple? Seemed like an extraordinary leap of logic otherwise to make about a donut shaped structure.

Mickeroo · 04-06-2012 10:11PM

Vokes wrote: »

Elsewhere, was it explained how Janek surmised from the geo-mapping that there was an engineers' ship underneath the temple? Seemed like an extraordinary leap of logic otherwise to make about a donut shaped structure.

No no, I distinctly remember him saying "**** me, thats one of them ships from Alien!!"

I thought they didn't realise for sure until shaw told him via radio though?

MrStuffins · 04-06-2012 10:16PM

The Sparrow wrote: »

I just assumed that stuff they left open (like why David poisoned Holloway) would be addressed in a sequel.

See this bullsh*t?

I hate this! I've just paid €10 to see your f*cking movie, don't be stringing me along, give me the self-contained movie I was promised!

krudler · 04-06-2012 10:21PM

MrStuffins wrote: »

See this bullsh*t?

I hate this! I've just paid €10 to see your f*cking movie, don't be stringing me along, give me the self-contained movie I was promised!

but but....the sequels!

Scanlas The 2nd · 04-06-2012 10:22PM

The Sparrow wrote: »

So did most ppl not really like it then? I thought it was pretty good!

I just assumed that stuff they left open (like why David poisoned Holloway) would be addressed in a sequel. There could be any number of reasons but my theory is that David developed some emotions and developed a thing for Shaw during the journey there so he wanted to get Holloway out of the way. That would also explain how he acted when he found out she had sex with Holloway and was infected too so he abandoned her in jealousy.

Overall, I thought it was really intriguing and it kept me interested for the duration.

I liked it, that's why I'm so annoyed about the stupid mistakes in the movie, they spoilt what could have been a great movie.

MrStuffins · 04-06-2012 10:24PM

krudler wrote: »

but but....the sequels!

You gotta make a good first movie to get people to see sequels!

PromethAlien can suck my balls!

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