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Prometheus *SPOILERS FROM POST 1538*
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yeah thats what i thought of it also,I saw it this evening, absolutely loved it.I interpreted the opening as a sacrifice where the alien body disintegrated in to bacteria and the bacteria is where the human race evolved from. This is in reference to the later DNA match scene.
At least that is my humble opinion on the opening scene anyway.
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I saw it this evening, absolutely loved it.I interpreted the opening as a sacrifice where the alien body disintegrated in to bacteria and the bacteria is where the human race evolved from. This is in reference to the later DNA match scene.
At least that is my humble opinion on the opening scene anyway.
Agreed - I can't understand why people aren't getting this part. Its fairly explicit. They even show DNA molecules breaking and reforming in a new configuration in the gloop/water0 -
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As I said before: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=79008023&postcount=1475
Really didn't think there was any ambiguity surrounding the prologue at all!0 -
one thing i do wonder and i dunno if anyone knows, at the start(im assuming it was earth) the fella that fell down the waterfall would that stuff he drank have caused some kind of reaction in the water that when he disintegrated that helped create us, starting a kind of genesis on earth,
said it meself 3 posts before yourself;)johnny_ultimate wrote: »As I said before: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=79008023&postcount=1475
Really didn't think there was any ambiguity surrounding the prologue at all!0 -
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opinion guy wrote: »One thing I've copped on to recently is the 3D works best in the middle of the theatre - if you are way out to the side it doesn't work as well I think
I sat in the middle for this film. 3D effect worked a treat. If I'm going to watch a film in 3D I won't sit at the sides now, it wrecks my eyes and my brain!
Drive Angry 3D was another film I watched in the middle of the theatre and the 3D effect was superb! Probably why I enjoyed the film (aside from the gorgeous Amber Heard). Anyway...
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the surgery pod thing, jesus where to start. they only made a dozen of them? of this medical marvel that auto performs complex surgery but ONLY if you're a dude? wtf? its on Therons lifeboat and wont basically do anything for her if she gets mangled?
I thought it might be for her Dad...
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I thought it might be for her Dad...
most likely, still though why would it only work on men? for such a complex piece of machinery. she overrides it to perform a C-Section though, gah I dunno, it just felt like it was thrown in there for no reason, why was that line even in it? it would have worked just as well if she simply said what she wanted and it did it, seemed just put in to ramp up even more tension in the scene.0 -
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seemed just put in to ramp up even more tension in the scene.
You almost say that as if it's a bad thing As I said, to be it ramps up the intensity and terror of the scene significantly anyway. It's the only scene in the film to me that is an absolute triumph of tension and grotesqueries.
While there's no doubt the film is contrived in many aspects, you have to allow for some dramatic license. Otherwise you could nitpick almost every single film ever made to death, and you'd never have any sense of threat or tension in a movie. The acid blood of Alien is every bit as contrived as the med pod, just to set up some great setpieces and a sense of threat. It makes no logical sense whatsoever. Aliens and its convenient 'explosion countdown' would be the same.0 -
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nyarlothothep wrote: »Lol, you just had to insult me didn't you, that's the fast track to getting dismissed/ignored as I regard it to be primitive behaviour. I would also say that this isn't the point I'm addressing at all. For example metal/rock it's all along a spectrum in the set of metal/rock, I hate it when people try to set up discrete little categories with impenetrable boundaries, it's a form of pedantic detail orientated thinking which ties into the era of specialisation and expertise. Ditto for sci fi, it's all along a continuum. But that wasn't my point. My point was that sci fi doesn't need to have a hard science basis to produce thought provoking scenarios. It can have any number of ridiculous scientific explanations but the overall, global import of the scenario/situation is what matters.
It wasn't meant as an insult, more harking back to previous discussions we've had on here (like the one about Aronofsky's films) where it's become apparent we both have different tastes in films. Your claim about being "liberal" seemed to be laced with some implied superiority, like you're better than the rest of us for not being bogged down with expectations or something, when a more likely scenario is that you are laden with expectations and preconceptions (like every human on the planet) and this film happened to be a better fit for what you enjoy than it was for myself and others.
I do agree that sci-fi doesn't need to be hard to work in stories where some premises are explored, but the more you want to use sci-fi details as plot devices (especially if you're trying to make a point of establishing your characters as Big Experts In Their Fields) the more you'll strain suspension of disbelief if you have either Crap Science, Blatantly Stupid Scientists, or both - IMO.nyarlothothep wrote: »I'd disagree fundamentally with your characterisation of Lovecraft, those stories are more like horror than anything else with modernist/sci fi elements.
Read what I posted again In general I'd agree with your description of him, but he has written some stories (most notably the ones I mentioned by name) which are at least as much sci-fi as they are horror fantasy.nyarlothothep wrote: »As for Scott Pilgrim, no, if I watch The Birth of a Nation it offends me much in the same way Scott Pilgrim did, the mentality behind both films is offensive. Also I'm totally open minded, if there is a hipster film made that is actually good, I will say so. I will happily go a hipster film and if it blows me away I will admit it, hell I'll proclaim my love for it. Scott Pilgrim was just a bad film and it displayed a preening hipster ideology which is a damning inditement of my generation. I envy Gen X and the baby boomers, not such much the Punk/post-punk generation, because they produced mostly rubbish music, although some of the style trends were cool and even they were better than the hipsters. Also I never went to see any of the AvP films except the one made in 2009 with the gore. It's not a case of relative ****tiness, just that I'm reading people going hysterical OMG! I HATE THIS FILM SO MUCH IT'S NOT ALIEN WWAAAAAAAAHHHHH!!!!!!! and decided to give examples of real sh1t. As for the visual/aural aspects of the film they were spectacular but that isn't what I'm referring to solely. The direction the film is headed in, the opening up of a new universe not dependent on the xenomorphs, the whole mystery angle which is so promising, rise above the obvious deficiencies of the script.
I don't know about anyone else but I certainly didn't want Prometheus to be Alien or Aliens. I wanted it to be made with as confident a display of craftmanship as those films featured, but I generally loathe franchised box-ticking exercises. Narratively it's definitely a good thing for Prometheus to have sought out different territory.
My point is, though, that you're talking about the idea of establishing a viable ongoing storytelling universe in the Aliens world that expands beyond xenomorphs as though that's a specifically good thing about Prometheus. I don't regard that as a good or a bad thing, it's not something I care about. I'm not invested in any way in the Aliens universe overall, I couldn't give a rats ass if for some reason no further stories are ever told in that world. What I do care about is that in such a storytelling environment, each chapter is good and stands in its own right, but tbh since Alien 3 it's been a case of diminishing returns from where I sit. Prometheus delivered the visuals and a narrative of its own, but as it stands it's not strong enough to interest me in coming back for Prometheus 2: Black Goo Boogaloo or anything else.This discussion, as with many in the film forum, has descended into a joke.
People banging on about what's plausible for a sci-fi movie etc to these levels is ridiculous. Some people here seem to think know more about scriptwriting/film making than the actual scriptwriters/film makers of this world, yet what have you achieved in th industry? Nothing. That's what.
Nothing wrong with having an opinion or disliking something that's not to your taste or even suggesting what might have made a film better, but the constant criticism is quite frankly laughable coming from some posters.
I'm off to watch Alien and take notes on what Ridley Scott should've done.
Silly me, getting airs and graces, thinking that the Film Forum of all places was somewhere where I could come and have a meeting of minds with other people who're interested in analysing film in terms of craft and technique as well as sheer spectacle. Those of us pointing out the film's flaws should just shut up and be grateful for whatever crumbs our elders and betters deign to throw us, should we?
I would posit an alternative scenario, in which you accept that those of us discussing the film's faults are in the right place to do so, that a crucial part of wider artistic analysis and critique is founded on the principle that it is possible to understand and appreciate the talent, skill and craftmanship involved in creating a piece of art without possessing it oneself, and that if you're not interested in such a level of discussion perhaps you should instead investigate some of the many other places for nattering that exist on boards.
Incidentally - in your scenario where criticisms from folk like me who try to have an understanding of the craft of filmmaking, but who have no track record in the industry, are rendered invalid or irrelevant....why should your comments carry any weight? You've shown no evidence to suggest you're a Ridley-Scott level filmmaker, so why should anyone set the weight of a mousefart by your positive comments about the film if you're willing to so quickly dismiss the opinions of a load of other people?0 -
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johnny_ultimate wrote: »You almost say that as if it's a bad thing As I said, to be it ramps up the intensity and terror of the scene significantly anyway. It's the only scene in the film to me that is an absolute triumph of tension and grotesqueries.
While there's no doubt the film is contrived in many aspects, you have to allow for some dramatic license. Otherwise you could nitpick almost every single film ever made to death, and you'd never have any sense of threat or tension in a movie. The acid blood of Alien is every bit as contrived as the med pod, just to set up some great setpieces and a sense of threat. It makes no logical sense whatsoever. Aliens and its convenient 'explosion countdown' would be the same.
oh it is a great scene, I just felt it would have worked just as well without that. especially since its basically goes "sorry this device only works on men, oh no wait you pushed two buttons, now it works on you as well".
the acid blood works because its a creature you cant kill without risking killing yourself as well, and they dont solve this problem literally within two seconds.
minor gripe aside it is the standout scene of the movie though, I just wish I didnt know it was coming, the trailers made it so easy to piece the entire movie together, you knew the ship would crash, that holloway would get the eye worm thing, that the mohawk guy would attack someone etc etc. and that was just from the first two trailers.0 -
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