Record low turnout for treaty referendum?

Permabear · 31-05-2012 05:56PM #1

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ScouseMouse · 31-05-2012 05:59PM

Bloody hope so!

I work face to face with the public and asked some of my regulars yes or no. About three people said yes. About fifteen said no. I do not know where the official polls are getting their ratios from.

actuallylike · 31-05-2012 06:02PM

Well it is a Thursday. People are only finishing work by the time that article was released. If that is the true figure at the end of the day, it's quite sad really.

31-05-2012 06:04PM

Asking 15 of your regulars may not be a representative sample size of the population, obviously enough. In fact, unless the results are in line with your experience we can conclude it wasn't representative at all :pac:

actuallylike · 31-05-2012 06:04PM

superscouse wrote: »

I do not know where the official polls are getting their ratios from.

They get them from a broad sample, across the country, from all walks of life, whereas you've just sampled people in your shop.

Sierra Oscar · 31-05-2012 06:09PM

It is around 30% nationally now. I predict it will be 45%'ish by close of polls.

Permabear · 31-05-2012 06:11PM

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mikemac1 · 31-05-2012 06:13PM

Irish Times put up that article at 17:23

Lots still in work at that stage or if they've finished they've not voted yet

It's a long evening, lots of time left

later12 · 31-05-2012 06:21PM

While it's true that low turnout usually damages the Yes side, this turnout is neither particularly surprising nor is the margin between the two sides close enough for the outcome to be under any credible doubt.

PopeBuckfastXVI · 31-05-2012 06:26PM

later12 wrote: »

While it's true that low turnout usually damages the Yes side, this turnout is neither particularly surprising nor is the margin between the two sides close enough for the outcome to be under any credible doubt.

I think it'll be a lot closer than you suspect, a 'no' wouldn't surprise me at all.

31-05-2012 06:29PM

later12 wrote: »

While it's true that low turnout usually damages the Yes side, this turnout is neither particularly surprising nor is the margin between the two sides close enough for the outcome to be under any credible doubt.

What's credible? What odds would you give me for a little charity bet? :pac:

adocholiday · 31-05-2012 06:38PM

It's a disgrace that the turnout is so low. The same people who don't vote will be crying about the result then. We're a great people for shouting about issues that bother us, but too lazy to go to vote. People die in places like Egypt for the right to vote and in some places risk their lives to go to the polling station. Here we don't go because it's bloody raining! :mad:

31-05-2012 06:41PM

adocholiday wrote: »

It's a disgrace that the turnout is so low. The same people who don't vote will be crying about the result then. We're a great people for shouting about issues that bother us, but too lazy to go to vote. People die in places like Egypt for the right to vote and in some places risk their lives to go to the polling station. Here we don't go because it's bloody raining! :mad:

Did the Egyptian election even hit 50% turnout?

goat2 · 31-05-2012 06:42PM

adocholiday wrote: »

It's a disgrace that the turnout is so low. The same people who don't vote will be crying about the result then. We're a great people for shouting about issues that bother us, but too lazy to go to vote. People die in places like Egypt for the right to vote and in some places risk their lives to go to the polling station. Here we don't go because it's bloody raining! :mad:

no we will not,
but we will be saying that we did not quiet understand what we were asked to vote on, and any way it will give them time to explain fully what it is all about, also we will have a better picture of what is happening with greece,spain and france so it will be a much clearer picture, as it is it is all up in the air across europe.

WIZE · 31-05-2012 06:44PM

eh people have been in work all day . It been the non workers making up the %

Scioch · 31-05-2012 06:46PM

adocholiday wrote: »

It's a disgrace that the turnout is so low. The same people who don't vote will be crying about the result then. We're a great people for shouting about issues that bother us, but too lazy to go to vote. People die in places like Egypt for the right to vote and in some places risk their lives to go to the polling station. Here we don't go because it's bloody raining! :mad:

And if they did vote the same people would be criticising them for voting on something they didnt understand. You cant win here because no matter what ya do there will always be someone saying your wrong to do it.

Permabear · 31-05-2012 06:49PM

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adocholiday · 31-05-2012 06:51PM

goat2 wrote: »

no we will not,
but we will be saying that we did not quiet understand what we were asked to vote on, and any way it will give them time to explain fully what it is all about, also we will have a better picture of what is happening with greece,spain and france so it will be a much clearer picture, as it is it is all up in the air across europe.

It took me less than half an hour to research the treaty and what it may/may not do for Ireland. I made an informed decision based on that and voted. It wasn't difficult, we shouldn't have to be spoonfed. I agree that when the whole Greek scenario blew up the referendum should have been pushed back. Enda Kenny's arrogance really gets me sometimes but regardless, the vote went ahead. It's like the people voting No to spite the government etc. Why bother? I heard lots of people explicitly state this. It beggars belief. There's no real excuse for not voting/voting for a different agenda.

Oh and the Egyptian turnout was ~42% but they had a reason to be scared to go to vote. If us Irish were in that scenario probably nobody would turn out to vote!

goat2 · 31-05-2012 06:55PM

adocholiday wrote: »

It took me less than half an hour to research the treaty and what it may/may not do for Ireland. I made an informed decision based on that and voted. It wasn't difficult, we shouldn't have to be spoonfed. I agree that when the whole Greek scenario blew up the referendum should have been pushed back. Enda Kenny's arrogance really gets me sometimes but regardless, the vote went ahead. It's like the people voting No to spite the government etc. Why bother? I heard lots of people explicitly state this. It beggars belief.

Oh and the Egyptian turnout was ~42% but they had a reason to be scared to go to vote.

you hit the nail in the head,
this is what stopped me from voting either way, the greeks, a new man at the helm in france, the spanish and france, these are much bigger and have more power than we have,
and until things are a bit better there, we should be then asked to vote, not today,

oscarBravo · 31-05-2012 06:57PM

adocholiday wrote: »

I agree that when the whole Greek scenario blew up the referendum should have been pushed back. Enda Kenny's arrogance really gets me sometimes but regardless, the vote went ahead.

It's not constitutionally possible to push back a referendum once the date has been set.

Scioch · 31-05-2012 06:58PM

adocholiday wrote: »

It took me less than half an hour to research the treaty and what it may/may not do for Ireland. I made an informed decision based on that and voted. It wasn't difficult, we shouldn't have to be spoonfed. I agree that when the whole Greek scenario blew up the referendum should have been pushed back. Enda Kenny's arrogance really gets me sometimes but regardless, the vote went ahead. It's like the people voting No to spite the government etc. Why bother? I heard lots of people explicitly state this. It beggars belief. There's no real excuse for not voting/voting for a different agenda.

The entire no campaign seems to me to be based on an unrelated agenda. Those people your talking about feel as if they are making a difference by voting contrary to the governments wishes and feel that it will be better for Ireland. Same reason you voted however you vote I'm sure.

So if they dont vote they are lazy, if they vote for the wrong reasons they are stupid....so your moaning because you want an ideal world. Why bother ?

Oh and the Egyptian turnout was ~42% but they had a reason to be scared to go to vote. If us Irish were in that scenario probably nobody would turn out to vote!

Well we aint so its irrelevant.

Crucifix · 31-05-2012 06:58PM

adocholiday wrote: »

It took me less than half an hour to research the treaty and what it may/may not do for Ireland. I made an informed decision based on that and voted. It wasn't difficult, we shouldn't have to be spoonfed.

I said it in the AH thread, but again: I think the treaty itself was easy to understand, but the implications and effects of a yes or no vote, especially long term, are complex and divisive. Spent a long time reading everything I could, still found it a difficult choice.

Technocentral · 31-05-2012 06:59PM

Sick of people in this country blaming businessmen and politicians on everything and not even bothering to get off their arse's and vote, there should be compulsory voting or a 100 euro fine, its so easy to take, take, take and have no sense of responsibility to your country :mad:.

Predalien · 31-05-2012 06:59PM

I genuinely could not decide how to vote, so didn't.

beeftotheheels · 31-05-2012 07:05PM

later12 wrote: »

While it's true that low turnout usually damages the Yes side, this turnout is neither particularly surprising nor is the margin between the two sides close enough for the outcome to be under any credible doubt.

Think you're optimistic there. Polls will have bred complacency on the yes side.

adocholiday · 31-05-2012 07:09PM

LordSmeg wrote: »

The entire no vote seems to me to be based on an unrelated agenda. Those people your talking about feel as if they are making a difference by voting contrary to the governments wishes and feel that it will be better for Ireland. Same reason you voted however you vote I'm sure.

So if they dont vote they are lazy, if they vote for the wrong reasons they are stupid....so your moaning because you want an ideal. Why bother ?

Sorry but I don't understand your logic. People are voting contrary to the Government's wishes because "Enda Kenny is a gob****e" (actual quote from a lady today). If people are making an informed No vote then great. That's democracy at work I'm all for it. People voting no to stick 2 fingers up at the Government is a totally different scenario. It's childish and counter-productive. Also, some people choose not to vote because they can't make an informed decision. That's fine, no problem with that. The majority of people aren't voting because they're too lazy. There's no justification for not taking 10 minutes to vote if you have a legitimate opinion on the matter at hand. It's a privilege to have the choice to go down to the polling station and have a say.

Technocentral · 31-05-2012 07:10PM

According to Irish Times poll on voting intentions May 27th: "39 per cent of voters said Yes, 30 per cent said No, 22 per cent said they were undecided 9 per cent said they would not be voting.."

So been conservative we should at least expect a 80% turnout? Yes/no people 69% plus you'd imagine some of the 22% undecided would vote, say 10% of them?

Coillte_Bhoy · 31-05-2012 07:12PM

superscouse wrote: »

Bloody hope so!

I work face to face with the public and asked some of my regulars yes or no. About three people said yes. About fifteen said no. I do not know where the official polls are getting their ratios from.

From a representative section of the electorate which is probably much more accurate than your ad hoc poll.:rolleyes:

Technocentral · 31-05-2012 07:14PM

adocholiday wrote: »

Sorry but I don't understand your logic. People are voting contrary to the Government's wishes because "Enda Kenny is a gob****e" (actual quote from a lady today). If people are making an informed No vote then great. That's democracy at work I'm all for it. People voting no to stick 2 fingers up at the Government is a totally different scenario. It's childish and counter-productive. Also, some people choose not to vote because they can't make an informed decision. That's fine, no problem with that. The majority of people aren't voting because they're too lazy. There's no justification for not taking 10 minutes to vote if you have a legitimate opinion on the matter at hand. It's a privilege to have the choice to go down to the polling station and have a say.

I'd say it worse than lazy, its more like showing contempt, kind of like "I want lower taxes, don't want to pay water charges or household tax but why should I bother to partake in huge decisions about how my country is run"

Coillte_Bhoy · 31-05-2012 07:15PM

Technocentral wrote: »

According to Irish Times poll on voting intentions May 27th: "39 per cent of voters said Yes, 30 per cent said No, 22 per cent said they were undecided 9 per cent said they would not be voting.."

So been conservative we should at least expect a 80% turnout? Yes/no people 69% plus you'd imagine some of the 22% undecided would vote, say 10% of them?

Thepoet85 · 31-05-2012 07:18PM

I took an hour out of my week and did a bit of easy research and came to my conclusion regarding the treaty.

Very sick of people moaning of what a state the country is in, and then don't exercise their right to have a say in how it's run.

Record low turnout for treaty referendum?

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