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Sinn Fein appealing to the lowest common denominator

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  • #632
    Monty Burnz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,455 ✭✭✭✭Monty Burnz


    LordSutch wrote: »
    So that One million people up North are not British at all (even though they claim to be) :confused:
    Well, 'British' appears to me to be a supra-national identity, like 'European'. If you are from Wales, you are Welsh and British. If you are from Scotland, you are Scottish and British. But for some reason, if you are from NI, you are not Irish and British?


  • #633
    wyndhurst
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 124 ✭✭wyndhurst


    LordSutch wrote: »
    So that One million people up North are not British at all (even though they claim to be) :confused:

    Correct.


  • #634
    LordSutch
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,069 ✭✭✭✭LordSutch


    Well I dont buy that^ for one minute, and as Monty has said, you can be Welsh & British, Scottish & British, English & British, or even West Indian & British! so I see no reason why you cant be Irish & British . . . .


  • #635
    wyndhurst
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 124 ✭✭wyndhurst


    Monty Burnz wrote: »
    Well, 'British' appears to me to be a supra-national identity, like 'European'. If you are from Wales, you are Welsh and British. If you are from Scotland, you are Scottish and British. But for some reason, if you are from NI, you are not Irish and British?

    Look Monty, it is not that difficult.....

    England = English
    Wales = Welsh
    Scotland = Scottish
    England + Wales + Scotland = Great Britian = British
    Great Britian + Northern Ireland = UK of GB & NI


  • #636
    Ronin247
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,256 ✭✭✭Ronin247


    wyndhurst wrote: »
    This is all part of the SF propoganda machine. They use the term 'British' in Ireland in a derogatory fashion.
    The facts are that anyone born on the Island of Ireland is defacto Irish.
    They may be a citizen of the United Kingdon but they are certainly not British - FACT

    Depends on what you want to define as "British"

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terminology_of_the_British_Isles


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  • #637
    Chuck Stone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,029 ✭✭✭✭Chuck Stone


    MMcG probably meant those who identify with Britain. Anyway, if they want to call themselves British they're perfectly entitled to. It annoys me when people try to tell Unionists that they're really Irish - they only are if they choose to be.

    I'm no fan of government service provision but what always amuses me is those who decry socialism as if it were some grand conspiracy against the have-mores. We all live in a mixed economy of state-corporatism. Case in point - that symbol of capitalism and freedom, the car, drives around on evil, centrally planned, socialist roads.

    One last thing. You can say what you like about SF politicians but people like Adams and MMcG are super dedicated to their parties. Gerry Adams has lived a large chunk of his life effectively on the run from the power of the British Security apparatus. I can't imagine many of the watery ****s we've had in the Dail being as interested in the job if it meant having to be as dedicated to their party and cause as Adams and co have been to theirs.


  • #638
    true
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,325 ✭✭✭true


    Chuck Stone wrote: »
    Gerry Adams has lived a large chunk of his life effectively on the run from the power of the British Security apparatus.

    So when he was in a leadership position in the Belfast IRA in the 70's - as many think/say he was - terrifying the majority of the people in the North , you think he was on the run from the law and from the security apparatus of the elected government of the time? Lets call a spade a spade?


  • #639
    Monty Burnz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,455 ✭✭✭✭Monty Burnz


    wyndhurst wrote: »
    Look Monty, it is not that difficult.....

    England = English
    Wales = Welsh
    Scotland = Scottish
    England + Wales + Scotland = Great Britian = British
    Great Britian + Northern Ireland = UK of GB & NI
    But it's a supra-national identity that you can opt into - hence British Indians etc. I've no problem with people identifying themselves as Irish and British. It's the self-hating Loyalist equivalent of our Celtic jersey-wearing knuckle-draggers who identify themselves as somehow exclusively 'British' that I find baffling and comical.


  • #640
    mattjack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,389 ✭✭✭mattjack


    Chuck Stone wrote: »
    MMcG probably meant those who identify with Britain. Anyway, if they want to call themselves British they're perfectly entitled to. It annoys me when people try to tell Unionists that they're really Irish - they only are if they choose to be.

    I'm no fan of government service provision but what always amuses me is those who decry socialism as if it were some grand conspiracy against the have-mores. We all live in a mixed economy of state-corporatism. Case in point - that symbol of capitalism and freedom, the car, drives around on evil, centrally planned, socialist roads.

    One last thing. You can say what you like about SF politicians but people like Adams and MMcG are super dedicated to their parties. Gerry Adams has lived a large chunk of his life effectively on the run from the power of the British Security apparatus. I can't imagine many of the watery ****s we've had in the Dail being as interested in the job if it meant having to be as dedicated to their party and cause as Adams and co have been to theirs.


    I think it goes with the terroritry in the North,I suppose anyone entering politics will most likely immerse themselves completely in it.

    Another one that springs to mind is Austin Currie, moved to South after his wife was attacked at home having her breasts slashed by terrorists. .

    He was , I think , one of the first people issued with a permit for a handgun in the South such was the threat against his life.


  • #641
    Chuck Stone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,029 ✭✭✭✭Chuck Stone


    true wrote: »
    So when he was in a leadership position in the Belfast IRA in the 70's - as many think/say he was - terrifying the majority of the people in the North, you think he was on the run from the law and from the security apparatus of the elected government of the time? Lets call a spade a spade?

    I'm not interested in answering your stupid questions and it really is a stupid question full of assumptions and fallacies.


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  • #642
    Ruralyoke
    Closed Accounts Posts: 213 ✭✭Ruralyoke


    mattjack wrote: »
    [/I]
    He was , I think , one of the first people issued with a permit for a handgun in the South such was the threat against his life.

    Wow. That's awful - never heard that.


  • #643
    Monty Burnz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,455 ✭✭✭✭Monty Burnz


    mattjack wrote: »
    I think it goes with the terroritry in the North,I suppose anyone entering politics will most likely immerse themselves completely in it.

    Another one that springs to mind is Austin Currie, moved to South after his wife was attacked at home having her breasts slashed by terrorists. .

    He was , I think , one of the first people issued with a permit for a handgun in the South such was the threat against his life.
    Were these Republican or Loyalist terrorists? I can't recall.


  • #644
    mattjack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,389 ✭✭✭mattjack


    Monty Burnz wrote: »
    Were these Republican or Loyalist terrorists? I can't recall.

    Loyalist.


  • #645
    true
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,325 ✭✭✭true


    I remember Gerry fitt - then a leader of the SDLP - being denounced and attacked by Republicans during the hunger strike era. A decent man was Gerry Fitt.


  • #646
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Monty Burnz wrote: »
    Were these Republican or Loyalist terrorists? I can't recall.

    Loyalists. They carved "UVF" on her chest.


  • #647
    Monty Burnz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,455 ✭✭✭✭Monty Burnz


    Nodin wrote: »
    Loyalists. They carved "UVF" on her chest.
    Ah well, sure nobody had a monopoly on suffering etc. etc.


  • #648
    mattjack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,389 ✭✭✭mattjack


    One of the most humble people I ever met was a man who's niece was the first Greenfinch to die in the troubles, this man kinda changed my perception of people to certain degree.

    When his niece died, he decided to sell up his farm and move from the North, .. you would think he'd would've have moved to a Loyalist stronghold or somewhere in England... he choose to move to the South.

    Because he always felt Irish.... not Northern Irish or Southern Irish nor even British.


  • #649
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Monty Burnz wrote: »
    Ah well, sure nobody had a monopoly on suffering etc. etc.


    whats that condescending drivel supposed to mean?


  • #650
    Fenian Army
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,483 ✭✭✭Fenian Army


    Monty Burnz wrote: »
    But it's a supra-national identity that you can opt into - hence British Indians etc. I've no problem with people identifying themselves as Irish and British. It's the self-hating Loyalist equivalent of our Celtic jersey-wearing knuckle-draggers who identify themselves as somehow exclusively 'British' that I find baffling and comical.
    You never get tired of the lazy Celtic supporter stereotypes do you?


  • #651
    Monty Burnz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,455 ✭✭✭✭Monty Burnz


    Nodin wrote: »
    whats that condescending drivel supposed to mean?
    I'm not sure, to be honest - perhaps you need to ask the man who popularised the expression?
    "We are proud of those IRA volunteers and of those Sinn Fein activists and of their families who have held great hurt and who have despite demonisation and despite the attempts to vilify them remain proud, good humoured and looking forward to a new future," he said.

    In a message to unionists, Mr Adams he said: "No-one has a monopoly on suffering."
    I agree, it is offensive drivel.


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  • #652
    Monty Burnz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,455 ✭✭✭✭Monty Burnz


    Fenian Army wrote: »
    You never get tired of the lazy Celtic supporter stereotypes do you?
    Well, when it stops being appropriate, I probably will. But not until. ;)


  • #653
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Monty Burnz wrote: »
    I'm not sure, to be honest - perhaps you need to ask the man who popularised the expression?


    I agree, it is offensive drivel.

    So now you're having a go at the fate of an SDLP mans wife.

    Classy.


  • #654
    Monty Burnz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,455 ✭✭✭✭Monty Burnz


    Nodin wrote: »
    So now you're having a go at the fate of an SDLP mans wife.

    Classy.
    It takes a special kind of stupid to interpret the post that way. :)


  • #655
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Monty Burnz wrote: »
    It takes a special kind of stupid to interpret the post that way. :)

    No....I stated exactly what happened with no elaboration and you came back with
    Ah well, sure nobody had a monopoly on suffering etc. etc.

    Mockery, sneering, belittling.....any number of ways of describing it.

    Why do you feel the need to have a go at a disfigured woman?


  • #656
    Monty Burnz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,455 ✭✭✭✭Monty Burnz


    Nodin wrote: »
    Mockery, sneering, belittling.....any number of ways of describing it.

    Why do you feel the need to have a go at a disfigured woman?
    It may have been a little too subtle for you to notice, but this was a comment on SF/IRA's attitude to the victims of atrocities - a view I presume you also subscribe to?

    It's telling that you feel it was 'having a go at a disfigured woman' when I wrote it, but at the same time you probably lapped it up when it was dripping out of Gerry's mouth in the same context.


  • #657
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Monty Burnz wrote: »
    It may have been a little too subtle for you to notice, but this was a comment on SF/IRA's attitude to the victims of atrocities - a view I presume you also subscribe to?
    .

    Whats that to do with the fate of Austin Curries wife?
    Monty Burnz wrote: »
    It's telling that you feel it was 'having a go at a disfigured woman' when I wrote it, but at the same time you probably lapped it up when it was dripping out of Gerry's mouth in the same context.

    So you're mocking Mrs Currie to have a go at me and Gerry adams.....Yep, classier still.


  • #658
    Monty Burnz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,455 ✭✭✭✭Monty Burnz


    Nodin wrote: »
    Whats that to do with the fate of Austin Curries wife?
    She was a victim of the type of terrorist atrocity you think we should all just forget about and move on, and the perpetrators of which should get token punishments.
    Nodin wrote: »
    So you're mocking Mrs Currie to have a go at me and Gerry adams.....Yep, classier still.
    Well no, I'm mocking you. I'm not sure your misdirection is fooling anyone, but keep trying. :)


  • #659
    mattjack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,389 ✭✭✭mattjack


    Nodin wrote: »
    Whats that to do with the fate of Austin Curries wife?



    So you're mocking Mrs Currie to have a go at me and Gerry adams.....Yep, classier still.
    Monty Burnz wrote: »
    She was a victim of the type of terrorist atrocity you think we should all just forget about and move on, and the perpetrators of which should get token punishments.

    Well no, I'm mocking you. I'm not sure your misdirection is fooling anyone, but keep trying. :)

    Mein Gott , I can't even go to the chipper without you two starting again.


  • #660
    Fenian Army
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,483 ✭✭✭Fenian Army


    Illuminating.

    "Those" people don't really give a fcuk about victims, only mention them when they can be used as ammunition, against republicans usually (hence the victims of British state violence rarely get a mention save for token reference to bloody Sunday) although I have to say using the victims of loyalist violence to have a go at republicans is rare enough.


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  • #661
    Monty Burnz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,455 ✭✭✭✭Monty Burnz


    Fenian Army wrote: »
    Illuminating.

    "Those" people don't really give a fcuk about victims, only mention them when they can be used as ammunition, against republicans usually (hence the victims of British state violence rarely get a mention save for token reference to bloody Sunday) although I have to say using the victims of loyalist violence to have a go at republicans is rare enough.

    >insert shinner boiler-plate here<


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