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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,360 ✭✭✭Wompa1


    mariaalice wrote: »
    I disagree....my oldest daughter had a job at 15 and by the time she was 18 she had a choice of jobs, when she graduated as a nurse she had a choice of permanent jobs in Ireland if she wanted that would not happen for a nursing graduate today. My youngest daughter found it almost impossible to get a job and was 19 before she had her first part time job it seems to be very hard for her male friends of the same age to get part time work it was not like that a few years ago.

    Will this be the 19 year olds first part time job? When was her last job? What's the gap like in her CV?

    If somebody isn't hired, it has a lot to do with their technique in trying to find work. I've worked with some people involved in the interview process and have been involved in recruiting myself.

    People look at their CV and think they need to make themselves seem a certain way like Oh if I say I play football and Rugby they'll think I'm a team player. WRONG! If you say that then they'll think this person will want certain days off to go play matches.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,923 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    Wompa1 wrote: »
    WRONG! If you say that then they'll think this person will want certain days off to go play matches.

    Ye wha?

    So the hobbies section should just say =

    'Loves processing excel worksheets and coding'

    Seeing people are involved in social activities when hiring for say, an open plan office job for example, is always good. I'd hire someone who wrote that over something boring and obviously untrue any day.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,326 ✭✭✭Jason Todd


    I wouldn't agree with the OP at all.

    I'm 28, graduated as a graphic designer in 2007, couldn't get a job in my chosen field so had to work my previously part-time shelf-stacking job on a full-time basis until 2009. Had a decent amount of disposable income as I was single though. Finally got a job then but made redundant in 2011. Luckily picked up a job not long after but its just about min. wage, still glad to have it though. Not long after I got it my gf became pregnant. Now struggling for money to pay bills, etc, and have zero disposable income, and are a million miles away from owning our own house. So no, 27/28 year olds didn't get the best of the Celtic Tiger!! :rolleyes:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 37,214 ✭✭✭✭Dudess


    Wompa1 wrote: »
    I know a lad that deferred for a year to work to build up enough so he didn't have to work during college.

    I worked 7 days a week during the summer. 4 days a week during the college year. My course had 32 hours a week, multiple projects AND I took a 2k euro loan in my final year hoping that meant I could quit my job for the second semester. I even gave my notice to my boss just after x-mas but after a sleepless night due to doing a budget of with the 2k and the little bit I had right then, I wouldn't be able to afford to not work. I'd run out of money a few weeks before the exams. So I went in the next day with my head down asking if I could please have my job back that I realized I couldn't afford to quit.
    What did you spend all your money on? I managed fine in Dublin not having to work that many part-time hours.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,360 ✭✭✭Wompa1


    o1s1n wrote: »
    Ye wha?

    So the hobbies section should just say =

    'Loves processing excel worksheets and coding'

    Seeing people are involved in social activities when hiring for say, an open plan office job for example, is always good. I'd hire someone who wrote that over something boring and obviously untrue any day.

    Reading, Drawing, Photography with something else like video games or movies thrown in to show you are a bit grounded so you won't think the job is below you. Also mentioning sporting achievements from your youth is good. Mentioning working in groups whilst in college. But most importantly no real gaps in the CV, At least one job that you stuck for 2 years or more to show you give a damn. Also best asking for the manager and giving them the CV, show you have confidence and are personal.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,956 ✭✭✭Doc Ruby


    Jason Todd wrote: »
    I wouldn't agree with the OP at all.

    I'm 28, graduated as a graphic designer in 2007, couldn't get a job in my chosen field so had to work my previously part-time shelf-stacking job on a full-time basis until 2009. Had a decent amount of disposable income as I was single though. Finally got a job then but made redundant in 2011. Luckily picked up a job not long after but its just about min. wage, still glad to have it though. Not long after I got it my gf became pregnant. Now struggling for money to pay bills, etc, and have zero disposable income, and are a million miles away from owning our own house. So no, 27/28 year olds didn't get the best of the Celtic Tiger!! :rolleyes:
    For all the smartass replies, the bottom line is its tough out there, and people are suffering. My advice is to get into animation somehow, there's decent money in that these days.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,784 ✭✭✭Superbus


    o1s1n wrote: »
    Superbus wrote: »
    Us 90s kids deserve all the sympathy (thought I guess I would think that), we experienced little of the benefit yet all the side-effects will hang over us. Happily however, most of us aren't yet politically aware enough to give a shít.

    Do you mean born in the 90s or grew up in the 90s?

    I'd consider myself a 90s kid but I was born in 84 - all my childhood memories are from the early to mid 90s.

    My sisters on the other hand call themselves 90s kids and they were born in 92. Sure they can't remember most of it! :D

    Born in 90s - I was born in 94 - apologies for lack of clarity.


  • Posts: 12,694 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I have seen the difference...my oldies daughter after her junior cert walked in to a pizza restaurant at 15 and got a job there and then ( doing the washing up and chopping veg ) it was the hight of the Celtic tiger era. That would not happen today.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 37,214 ✭✭✭✭Dudess


    Doc Ruby wrote: »
    For all the smartass replies, the bottom line is its tough out there, and people are suffering. My advice is to get into animation somehow, there's decent money in that these days.
    Yeah I've heard that. A guy who was in college with me is gone back to study it in Ballyfermot. When I last met him I was kinda wondering about this choice (he's in his mid 30s) and he said there's lots of work in it, and he's no eejit.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,213 ✭✭✭Sea Filly


    Wompa1 wrote: »
    Reading, Drawing, Photography with something else like video games or movies thrown in to show you are a bit grounded so you won't think the job is below you. Also mentioning sporting achievements from your youth is good. Mentioning working in groups whilst in college. But most importantly no real gaps in the CV, At least one job that you stuck for 2 years or more to show you give a damn. Also best asking for the manager and giving them the CV, show you have confidence and are personal.

    I put none of that crap in my CV post-boom and still got a good job. I also had gaps due to illness. Lots and lots of gaps.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,755 ✭✭✭✭Cookie_Monster


    It certainly did work out well for me. I'm 27, good part time work right through college, 27 hours a week at over a tenner an hour, was able to buy a car and learn to drive. Qualified from college and got decent job, moved out. Job went tits up after 2 years, easily got another, moved to sweet apartment with partner, bought BMW, saved some cash. Second job imploded, bailed out to New Zealand, having a great time over here, making loads of money, enjoying winter days that are warmer than most summer days at home :)

    OK so some may say being forced to emigrate would mean it didn't work out in the end but it was a choice we took and have not regretted.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,956 ✭✭✭Doc Ruby


    Dudess wrote: »
    Yeah I've heard that. A guy who was in college with me is gone back to study it in Ballyfermot. When I last met him I was kinda wondering about this choice (he's in his mid 30s) and he said there's lots of work in it, and he's no eejit.
    Its the gaming and media business, plus hardly a website can show its face in public without having some nice flash animation. Advertisements online and on the telly, the list is extensive. If I had to I'd be looking into that for future prospects.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,360 ✭✭✭Wompa1


    Dudess wrote: »
    What did you spend all your money on? I managed fine in Dublin not having to work that many part-time hours.

    living...in my final year I didn't do anything but work and work on my project. I'd say I drank 3 times that year. My rent was 65 a week I think or 67.50...I was sharing a room. Transportation to get to and from work since college and work were opposite sides of the city cost about 30 a week or something like that back then. Although looking at the Bus Eireann winter saver thing this past year it's not much different now. What a Joke!

    Between Food, rent, heating oil, transportation and electricity for the year. That was all my money. I was making small payments on the loan I took out. I had to buy a laptop for my course in my second year that took a chunk because laptops were a bit more expensive back then. I needed something I could bring to and from college. I was the only one in first year that didn't have one. I bought 2 video games a year for sanity. Always around November but got a discount when I was in the toy store. I honestly didn't spend on luxuries and couldn't afford it. I was making 7 something an hour

    The worst of it was after college. Right after I cleared my own loan my mother came to me in tears asking for money so I took out a 10k euro loan to help them out. So was resigned to finding an even cheaper room, was paying 50 a week for a room that had no windows and was basically a storage room changed into a bedroom...I didn't get to go on a holiday of my own until I was 25. Things got a lot better for me though...I hated college and those few years. They were very tough.


  • Posts: 17,735 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Superbus wrote: »
    Born in 90s - I was born in 94 - apologies for lack of clarity.

    Jesus. My car is older than you.

    27 here OP. I got 'free fees', and entered the job market just as it started to go tits up. I'm still here though, in my second job since graduating in 2007. If I had graduated a couple of years earlier I would have been on a lot more than I'm on at the moment, but then who's to say I'd have a job right now if that was the case.

    There was a good few jobs around during my teenage years alright. I counted before that I worked in 12 different places before I entered college.

    Did I benefit from the Celtic Tiger era? Definitely, as a lot of people did to varying degrees.
    Am I a tax paying member of society now? Hell yeah.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,538 ✭✭✭flutterflye


    It certainly did work out well for me. I'm 27, good part time work right through college, 27 hours a week at over a tenner an hour, was able to buy a car and learn to drive. Qualified from college and got decent job, moved out. Job went tits up after 2 years, easily got another, moved to sweet apartment with partner, bought BMW, saved some cash. Second job imploded, bailed out to New Zealand, having a great time over here, making loads of money, enjoying winter days that are warmer than most summer days at home :)

    I think I might just hate you! :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,207 ✭✭✭longhalloween


    Id say at 23 Im in the lucjiest bracket. Had plenty of part time work in school, was in college when the recession was worst, too young to buy a house, have no wife kids loans or mortgage. Now i am getting a relevant degree and next year ill graduate. Probably have no problem getting a decent job either here or in the US. Thing are coming up millhouse!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,360 ✭✭✭Wompa1


    Id say at 23 Im in the lucjiest bracket. Had plenty of part time work in school, was in college when the recession was worst, too young to buy a house, have no wife kids loans or mortgage. Now i am getting a relevant degree and next year ill graduate. Probably have no problem getting a decent job either here or in the US. Thing are coming up millhouse!!

    That's one good thing. I know a few people who bought houses very young. At least with my run of bad luck it meant I couldn't afford to even think of getting a house. Now I'm making 6 figures a year and everything is coming up Millhouse! I'm living in a 1 bed luxury apartment in Scottsdale, Arizona. Sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeet


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,037 ✭✭✭Nothingbetter2d


    Disagree, these people were 22 when the boom ended. Just barely finished college and broke as a result. :rolleyes: I think people in the 35ish bracket got the best but they blew it....they blew it! :pac:

    EDIT: However the ones that left school early and did trades got a good run of it alright.

    people in the 35 age bracket got screwed over not blew it... most have insane morgages for houses that are worth a fraction of what the morgage is worth


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,692 ✭✭✭michellie


    I'm 27(28 in september). I work part time and bought my own house at a fairly affordable price in early 2008.


  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 18,100 Mod ✭✭✭✭ixoy


    Born at the tail end of '78, graduating in 2001 to see the IT business implode. Didn't get a decent IT job for a few years after that and never really saw any of these high wages that other industries went through at the time - nobody I knew really did in fact. Can't think of any of my friends who were suddenly flush with cash, houses, etc. Seemed to have bypassed our 32/33 year group entirely.
    Now, if nothing else, we're in a safer industry than most - although contrary to what some parts of the media say, not all IT flourishes, merely some of it.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 376 ✭✭sawfish


    ixoy wrote: »
    although contrary to what some parts of the media say, not all IT flourishes, merely some of it.

    Which part of IT flourishes?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,628 ✭✭✭Truley


    I'm 24 and consider myself lucky because I grew up in the 90s/early 00's reaping all the benefits of a wealthy country. I graduated from college in 2009 when things had taken a nose dive but after about six months of unemployment I got two part time jobs that are badly paid and well below what my qualifications would have promised but I absolutely love what I'm doing. I am still working in the same place for an even lower wage nearly three years later but for now I'm quite happy in the place I work.

    I think the greatest gift the Celtic Tiger gave me (apart from a financial leg up) was confidence. When we were doing my leaving cert we felt like we had endless possibilities, that the world was our oyster. Employment prospects weren't even a consideration when we picked our courses or trades, we just did what we wanted, and we felt like we had the freedom to chop and change our paths as we wished.

    If I was starting college now I would probably wouldn't have picked the artsy course I did in favour of something supposedly more 'solid' like nursing or teaching. So even if I am working a pretty shítty job with no promotion prospects at least it's something I enjoy doing and I had the freedom to take the path I did. I don't feel as trapped as many others must feel.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,411 ✭✭✭✭woodchuck


    I’m 27. I don’t think I’m in the worst age bracket when it comes to the recession, but certainly not the best either. The main advantage to me was affordable college registration fees.

    BUT I feel I was never old enough to directly benefit from the free flow of money during boom times. I certainly wasn’t born with a silver spoon in my mouth like the celtic tiger babies. We weren’t really poor, but we didn’t have money to burn. Hand-me-downs and no holidays was the norm, as I’m sure it was for most people born in the 80s. By the time the celtic tiger was roaring, I was in secondary school/college. I was lucky that I was able to live with my parents who didn’t demand any money off me for rent/bills/food and I was able to find work over the summer so that I didn’t have to ask my parents for money directly during the academic years. I never took out a loan or spent frivolously or beyond my means.

    I graduated in 2007, but it was clear at that stage that a recession was looming. I decided to go for a postgrad to build up my qualifications (paid a stipend equivalent to minimum wage and contributed financially to the household before anybody lays into me for living off mammy and daddy). I thought it would help me get a job when I was done and naively thought the worst of the recession would be over after a few years… this was before any talk of a bailout.

    Now I’m fully qualified and luckily found work after just a few month of searching. But the nature of my work these days is temporary contracts with little chance of renewal, so in the new year I’ll likely be unemployed again. During my school years the government was really pushing people to study in the area I’m in, making out that people were crying out for qualified people in this sector. That’s not the case anymore. The competition is just getting worse and worse in recent years and won’t be getting better any time soon. Emigration isn’t really an option for me, except as a very last resort. While I’m not tied down by a mortgage myself, unfortunately my OH is. So unless I want to abandon the OH I won’t be going down that road any time soon…

    Sorry for the essay :P But I think everyone has it bad in different ways. Some obviously have it a lot worse than others. None of us have it easy though. The grass is always greener and all that…
    - Older generations: got on the property market during the worst times, but at least had the benefit of plenty of work opportunities that should help them find employment these days.
    - Younger generations: Celtic tiger babies who had an easy/spoilt childhood, but likely having to emigrate for work these days or struggle to find a job here with little/no work experience under their belt. And postgrads are getting more and more competitive these days too.
    - Babies being born right now or over the coming years: Probably have it the worst. Never benefited from the celtic tiger directly or indirectly, will have a tough childhood and will have to pay the price in taxes etc for the rest of their lives if they choose to stay in Ireland.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,025 ✭✭✭grindle


    people in the 35 age bracket got screwed over not blew it... most have insane morgages for houses that are worth a fraction of what the morgage is worth

    If Tesco sells milk for €0.80, and Centra sells it for €1.10, a choice gets made, nobody gets screwed over (bar the taxpayers who have to pay for other people's stupid choices).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,102 ✭✭✭✭Kintarō Hattori


    Disagree, these people were 22 when the boom ended. Just barely finished college and broke as a result. :rolleyes: I think people in the 35ish bracket got the best but they blew it....they blew it!

    Not all of us. I started work in 2002 (did various courses after school as I was unsure what I wanted to do). I worked retail for 10 years... so not exactly earning megabucks. Wanted to buy a house in 2008 but we realized prices were unrealistic so we bought an apartment in the other halfs country as a long long term investment. By 2011 prices were much more realistic and so we bought a modest home.

    All the while we were both very fortunate to keep our jobs.... so there has been some element of luck I suppose.


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