If you are 27/28

25-05-2012 09:11PM #1

Thought of this today....if you are 27/28 or there abouts ....you got the best from the Celtic tiger!

When you were a teen there was plenty of part time work

When you left college there was lots of work and career options

BUT

You were too young to have got on the property ladder.

Battered Mars Bar · 25-05-2012 09:14PM

Disagree, these people were 22 when the boom ended. Just barely finished college and broke as a result. :rolleyes: I think people in the 35ish bracket got the best but they blew it....they blew it! :pac:

EDIT: However the ones that left school early and did trades got a good run of it alright.

Where To · 25-05-2012 09:14PM

Before the celtic tiger students who wanted part time work got it

Graduates who wanted work/career options got them.

Kids today are just lazy bast**ds

Fizman · 25-05-2012 09:14PM

Replace '27/28' with 'reasonably intelligent with a good sense of reason and foresight' and you're spot on.

whatdoicare · 25-05-2012 09:15PM

Damn kids didn't know what they had...blowing their celtic tiger years on holidays and fast cars and the like!

ElectroJazz · 25-05-2012 09:23PM

Yeah I disagree, I'm 28 and work in a crap job despite having gone to college. I'd say I was out of college a year before everything went tits up.
I'm renting a house I can barely afford and will be selling the car soon because it costs me too much. Theres no way I'll be able to afford to buy a house in the next 5/6/7 years as I'm currently trying to get back into college to get a better job.
I don't think I got the best from the Celtic Tiger at all, except being able to get a part time job anywhere when I was in school.

SafeSurfer · 25-05-2012 09:39PM

Think of the poor sods who were born in 1900 in Germany. Probably drafted during the first world war (6.3 million killed or wounded) and if they were lucky enough to survive the horror of the trenches were just young enough to be drafted for the second world war again (30% of all mobilised Germans killed).

So whether you were 28 or 38 during the Celtic Tiger years, count yourself lucky.

flutterflye · 25-05-2012 09:44PM

I'm 27.
But I got pregnant at 17 and couldn't do my leaving (the birth coincided with the exams!)
Also got kicked out of home while pregnant.
Have done a few fas courses, and bits of college.
I am still yet to get a feckin degree!!! (some day!)
I got married last year, and my husbands parents helped us buy a house.
My husband has a job, I don't - Barely above minimum wage.
I have been waiting for a social welfare payment for nearly a year now.
We have a mortgage, bills, food, travel, and all the usual, plus 2 kids and 1 on the way.
We are really struggling.
So, I am not personally reaping any benefits at all!!

If certain things never happened in my childhood, I'd say things would be alot different though, because once upon a time I lived in a very nice house, in a nice area, parents had good jobs, and I went to a supposedly good school.
Perfect set up you would think.

Wompa1 · 25-05-2012 09:45PM

I'm 27. Graduated in 2007. The recession was just starting. I worked from when I was 12 years old. First for 2 years in my dads business. Then 7 years in a petrol station. Then 1 year in a toy store. Then 5 years in an IT job. Now in a new IT job, first year in it.

IT had got a little bit of a dent in hiring for the first couple of years of the recession but since I went straight from college into the job I got lucky.

I was the only person from my course to do this. Most also had quit their part time jobs for the final year whilst I had not. So I always had work. Most went travelling with a handful of others choosing to do a masters. As far as I know all but 1 are working non-IT jobs now. And that 1 is a guy I got a job for in my last place of employment.

My age group were priveleged people, a lot could have worked part time jobs during college and chose not to. Because their course was too intense :rolleyes: So when they finished college they didn't want to work, it was too scary. Now their parents can't afford to support their asses and they are claiming the dole or have done over to Australia or Canada and working part time jobs in places where they feel like nobody from home will see them. RANT/

Wompa1 · 25-05-2012 09:46PM

flutterflye wrote: »

I'm 27.
But I got pregnant at 17 and couldn't do my leaving (the birth coincided with the exams!)
Also got kicked out of home while pregnant.
Have done a few fas courses, and bits of college.
I am still yet to get a feckin degree!!! (some day!)
I got married last year, and my husbands parents helped us buy a house.
My husband has a job, I don't - Barely above minimum wage.
I have been waiting for a social welfare payment for nearly a year now.
We have a mortgage, bills, food, travel, and all the usual, plus 2 kids and 1 on the way.
We are really struggling.
So, I am not personally reaping any benefits at all!!

If certain things never happened in my childhood, I'd say things would be alot different though, because once upon a time I lived in a very nice house, in a nice area, parents had good jobs, and I went to a supposedly good school.
Perfect set up you would think.

I'm not judging you but can I ask, why are you having a third kid when you say you are struggling?

Rocky_Dennis · 25-05-2012 09:52PM

mariaalice wrote: »

Thought of this today....if you are 27/28 or there abouts ....you got the best from the Celtic tiger!

When you were a teen there was plenty of part time work

When you left college there was lots of work and career options

BUT

You were too young to have got on the property ladder.

I'm 27, after my Leaving Cert, I went and got a trade, I made good money for a few years and then everything went belly up. I'm blessed I didn't buy a house during the "good times". There was plenty of lads my age that bought houses during the "good times" that are really struggling at the moment. They've had to rent out rooms in the house to keep up the repayments.

I'm back in college now and when I finish next year, I think I will have to emigrate to find work. I hope I won't have to and that I might get a lucky break but the reality of it is, I will probably be on the first flight out of here

Sea Filly · 25-05-2012 09:57PM

I'm 28.

Graduated in 2009 at 25, took six years to do my degree due to illness.

Had to emigrate for my first post-graduation job, fought tooth and nail for the job I am in now, which pays less than 20K per annum.

Yep, I'm a jammy bitch.

flutterflye · 25-05-2012 09:59PM

Wompa1 wrote: »

I'm not judging you but can I ask, why are you having a third kid when you say you are struggling?

Edit: My post was far too long winded there.

Anyway, why I'm having another one is because I was told by all the doctors/gynaes etc... that I couldn't get pregnant, but I did.

Sea Filly · 25-05-2012 10:00PM

Wompa1 wrote: »

My age group were priveleged people, a lot could have worked part time jobs during college and chose not to. Because their course was too intense :rolleyes:

I didn't work during the college term because of the long hours plus outside hours working on assignments and studying on top of that. I haven't done any of the clichéd travelling. I saved as much as I could during the summer to fund the academic year. Not everyone who doesn't work during the college terms fits your idea of them.

funnilenough · 25-05-2012 10:09PM

flutterflye wrote: »

Edit: My post was far too long winded there.

Anyway, why I'm having another one is because I was told by all the doctors/gynaes etc... that I couldn't get pregnant, but I did.

hope everything works out for yiz

Wompa1 · 25-05-2012 10:12PM

Sea Filly wrote: »

I didn't work during the college term because of the long hours plus outside hours working on assignments and studying on top of that. I haven't done any of the clichéd travelling. I saved as much as I could during the summer to fund the academic year. Not everyone who doesn't work during the college terms fits your idea of them.

If you completely paid your own way, fair play to you. I worked 7 days a week during the summers. Though Wednesdays was only for a 4 hour shift. Definitely wasn't enough for the college year. Was about 5k euro. I was sharing a room and my rent ran me about 2,500. College itself was 1,100 which isn't bad in fairness! Deposit for the apartment was usually around 300 or so.

I had long hours in college. I think no matter what the course is, if you are doing it to the best of your ability it will take a lot of your time BUT if you HAVE to work, you will. I can only assume, either you landed a summer job that paid over 500 euro a week or you had a grant or parents helping you out so you could afford not to work. Or you went somewhere like Castlebar or Sligo or somewhere where the average rent back then was about 40-50 a week.

Dudess · 25-05-2012 10:13PM

My age group, people born from about the mid 70s to the early 80s, got to experience the full run of it yet not the hardship of having to emigrate up to the early 90s.

Jester252 · 25-05-2012 10:14PM

Sea Filly wrote: »

I didn't work during the college term because of the long hours plus outside hours working on assignments and studying on top of that. I haven't done any of the clichéd travelling. I saved as much as I could during the summer to fund the academic year. Not everyone who doesn't work during the college terms fits your idea of them.

The problem is most do. Although now I say a college kid wanting a part time job will be hard pushed. Hell I'm in UL and as part of the course we go out on coop.
The coop office only placed 7 out of 25. Some more got jobs and I'm still looking.
I'm pissed off that some of the companies didn't even reply to me.

Pantsface · 25-05-2012 10:20PM

Battered Mars Bar wrote: »

Disagree, these people were 22 when the boom ended. Just barely finished college and broke as a result. :rolleyes: I think people in the 35ish bracket got the best but they blew it....they blew it! :pac:

EDIT: However the ones that left school early and did trades got a good run of it alright.

I didn't

Sea Filly · 25-05-2012 10:23PM

Wompa1 wrote: »

If you completely paid your own way, fair play to you. I worked 7 days a week during the summers. Though Wednesdays was only for a 4 hour shift. Definitely wasn't enough for the college year. Was about 5k euro. I was sharing a room and my rent ran me about 2,500. College itself was 1,100 which isn't bad in fairness! Deposit for the apartment was usually around 300 or so.

I had long hours in college. I think no matter what the course is, if you are doing it to the best of your ability it will take a lot of your time BUT if you HAVE to work, you will. I can only assume, either you landed a summer job that paid over 500 euro a week or you had a grant or parents helping you out so you could afford not to work. Or you went somewhere like Castlebar or Sligo or somewhere where the average rent back then was about 40-50 a week.

I qualified for the grant, and never took it for granted or pissed it away. My family was NOT wealthy. It paid my rent, I spend it on nothing but that. I saved enough to cover costs on top of that.

There's nothing wrong with qualifying for the grant, you know, and not everyone who gets it takes it for granted like you seem to think they do.

I got the grant, you didn't. C'est la vie. :cool:

Oh, and since graduating, I have not shirked away from getting a job. Beat off stiff competition for my first graduate job in the UK, travelling over for the interview and besting 90 other applicants.

Dudess · 25-05-2012 10:23PM

Sea Filly wrote: »

I didn't work during the college term because of the long hours plus outside hours working on assignments and studying on top of that. I haven't done any of the clichéd travelling. I saved as much as I could during the summer to fund the academic year. Not everyone who doesn't work during the college terms fits your idea of them.

Yeah I didn't work my postgrad year (apart from a few shifts at my old job whenever I visited home) - because the course was just non stop, it was a degree crammed into one year. I took a year out before it though and saved my ass off, often working six days a week and double shifts. Nearly everyone on the course did something similar. I got a loan too, which I suspect you did also. And I see there's an asumption you were renting.

Battered Mars Bar · 25-05-2012 10:27PM

Pantsface wrote: »

I didn't

Good man/woman

Wompa1 · 25-05-2012 10:29PM

Dudess wrote: »

Yeah I didn't work my postgrad year (apart from a few shifts at my old job) whenever I visited home - because the course was just non stop, it was a degree crammed into one year. I took a year out before it though and saved my ass off, often working six days a week. Nearly everyone on the course did something similar. I got a loan too, which I suspect you did also. And I see there's an asumption you were renting.

I know a lad that deferred for a year to work to build up enough so he didn't have to work during college.

I worked 7 days a week during the summer. 4 days a week during the college year. My course had 32 hours a week, multiple projects AND I took a 2k euro loan in my final year hoping that meant I could quit my job for the second semester. I even gave my notice to my boss just after x-mas but after a sleepless night due to doing a budget of with the 2k and the little bit I had right then, I wouldn't be able to afford to not work. I'd run out of money a few weeks before the exams. So I went in the next day with my head down asking if I could please have my job back that I realized I couldn't afford to quit.

3DataModem · 25-05-2012 10:29PM

Rode Celtic Tiger.

Fecked off to tax haven when it blew up.

Let me know when it's all sorted and I'll come back.

25-05-2012 10:29PM

What a lot of you are forgetting is you had the opportunity to WORK part time to fund your study or to take up an apprenticeship because of the Celtic tiger a lot of college students and teenagers today don't have those options.

Wompa1 · 25-05-2012 10:34PM

mariaalice wrote: »

What a lot of you are forgetting is you had the opportunity to WORK part time to fund your study or to take up an apprenticeship because of the Celtic tiger a lot of college students and teenagers today don't have those options.

My girlfriend is working 3 part time jobs at the moment. If you want to work you will find it.

I only know of one person I knew that was long term unemployed and that was because he didn't want to work in a shop or anything like that. He didn't want people who knew him to see him...

I can kind of understand it. On a couple of nights out back in 2006 I got crap from girls because I worked in a toy store...but still. If you HAVE to work, you will.

Sea Filly · 25-05-2012 10:36PM

Wompa1 wrote: »

If you HAVE to work, you will.

And if you don't have to work during the college, you won't. It doesn't mean you're work-shy, as many degree courses require a great level of commitment and work ethic.

25-05-2012 10:42PM

I disagree....my oldest daughter had a job at 15 and by the time she was 18 she had a choice of jobs, when she graduated as a nurse she had a choice of permanent jobs in Ireland if she wanted that would not happen for a nursing graduate today. My youngest daughter found it almost impossible to get a job and was 19 before she had her first part time job it seems to be very hard for her male friends of the same age to get part time work it was not like that a few years ago.

Superbus · 25-05-2012 10:46PM

Us 90s kids deserve all the sympathy (thought I guess I would think that), we experienced little of the benefit yet all the side-effects will hang over us. Happily however, most of us aren't yet politically aware enough to give a shít.

starlit · 25-05-2012 10:48PM

I'm 27 and there isn't much of a difference back to when I were in college in particular when looking for summer work was just as hard as it for me to find a proper job at the moment but until I completed my degree did I get into the work force into a proper job just as the Celtic Tiger ended before the major recession hit while I was working in the job when the recession came into outbursts. The recession had been creeping in while I were in college but was very much in the boom of the celtic tiger while I were in secondary school.

Though saying that it was easier to find summer work when I were in secondary school and after first year in college but when it came to my other summer years in college it was a lot harder but not as difficult looking for a proper job after my degree (I got into it in the nick of time to be honest) though when I finished up with the proper job I got into and after going back to college again to do a postgrad the year after and then finished. Those two years were the worst years for looking for work in particular 2009.

Though now looking for work is a little easier and that there are jobs there just not enough for everyone and to meet demand as the jobs market has become so competitive making either jobbridge or emigration only possible options for people in particular for graduates as graduate jobs has dwindled a bit unless you go into a grad programme and they can be tough to get into having to meet certain requirements.

To be honest some of the money rotating around in the boom times may have been bogus money that people in effect did not have though they thought they had it but was just rotated around and was none existent as the money itself wasn't theirs to keep it was the governments and gradually the money dried out and bankrupted itself alone and lack of spending and so on not just on the government, banks and developers heads for the cause of the recession! It was overspending and greed as well as building debt from the boom times caused this mess of a recession as well as the usual culprits as mentioned already in this paragraph.

There are continuousness reductions on funding for colleges and uni's in Ireland at the moment which is in dire need to be sorted out if they are to survive in the future and the future of a generation of graduates. Quality of courses as well as meeting a aprox quantity of students to fund colleges also meaning further costly fees will be imposed in the future for a sustainable third level sector.

What else can I say on the matter? Will it change I don't think so and a yes or no vote in the up coming referendum probably won't make a difference!?

o1s1n · 25-05-2012 10:55PM

Superbus wrote: »

Us 90s kids deserve all the sympathy (thought I guess I would think that), we experienced little of the benefit yet all the side-effects will hang over us. Happily however, most of us aren't yet politically aware enough to give a shít.

Do you mean born in the 90s or grew up in the 90s?

I'd consider myself a 90s kid but I was born in 84 - all my childhood memories are from the early to mid 90s.

My sisters on the other hand call themselves 90s kids and they were born in 92. Sure they can't remember most of it!

If you are 27/28

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