Meal frequency and it's effect on body composition

shligo.bulker wrote: »

If your consuming 1800 calories in one sitting then thats why your gaining fat. You need to spread your calories over 5-6 meals. I really hope i misunderstood you coz its not just the consumption of calories and carbs thats important. Its WHEN to consume them thats important.

No, you're wrong, he's right. He can do it in whatever order and whatever time of the day he wants.

shligo.bulker wrote: »

If your consuming 1800 calories in one sitting then thats why your gaining fat. You need to spread your calories over 5-6 meals. I really hope i misunderstood you coz its not just the consumption of calories and carbs thats important. Its WHEN to consume them thats important.

Doesnt Mark RIppetoe advocate 3 large meals + lots of milk for bulking?

WeeBushy wrote: »

For a vegan surely that's pretty much the whole point of their diet.

hmmm, you might have missed the boat here, It was a little jab at vegan diets for there exclusion of meats but there inclusion of lots of veg is good!


anyhow, back to the OP, there isn't enough info to draw ANY conclusions, and just to clear up a few things for the posters...

what you eat effects your physique.
when you eat it effects your physique
how much you eat effects your physique
certain macro-nutrient ratios will effect your body in different ways
Eating 1800 cals in protein in one sitting will effect your body differently to 1800 cal carbs or fats.
eating 1800 in one sitting IS different to eating 1800 over 2/3 meals, trust me on this! blood sugar control can be a bitch!


frank.

The thermic effect of food is the same whether is 1800 cals in one sitting or 6 meals spread throughout the day of 300kcas each

Whats your training program like? Is that all your eating? Do you know how many cals to bulk you should be consuming?(Hint it's in the stickies)

metamorphosis wrote: »

The thermic effect of food is the same whether is 1800 cals in one sitting or 6 meals spread throughout the day of 300kcas each

Whats your training program like? Is that all your eating? Do you know how many cals to bulk you should be consuming?(Hint it's in the stickies)

Surely the body will behave differently depending on whether it is being fed once or 5 times a day even if the total is the same. Metabolism would have to change as the body would think it was being starved if only getting food once a day.

Doc Daneeka wrote: »

Metabolism would have to change as the body would think it was being starved if only getting food once a day.

Interesting, how does that work?

Nate

Doc Daneeka wrote: »

Surely the body will behave differently depending on whether it is being fed once or 5 times a day even if the total is the same. Metabolism would have to change as the body would think it was being starved if only getting food once a day.

It will behave differently, but it will be due to the balancing of blood sugar(that regular feeding brings) and it's effect on insulin, which can be friend or foe!!

Nate--IRL-- wrote: »

Doc Daneeka wrote: »

Metabolism would have to change as the body would think it was being starved if only getting food once a day.

Interesting, how does that work?

Nate

Well on one level would the body not start to break down muscle for energy if its not getting fed regularly?

Doc Daneeka wrote: »

Well on one level would the body not start to break down muscle for energy if its not getting fed regularly?

The body will turm catabolic (consuming muscle) if its starved, but this takes days not hours.

Think about it rationally. It takes hours to digest food, and longer the more you eat. If you eat small 400 calorie meals, you body will finish digesting by the time of your next one 3 hours later. If you eat larger 800 calories meals, it will take the body twice as long to digest, providing sustenance until your nest meal 6 hours later.


The reason body builders do is because its physically easier to get massive amounts of food into you in more meals, eating their daily intake in one or two sittings would be physically very tough.

briankeating wrote: »

Split off from previous thread, I appear to have made a complete balls of the split and lost some back on forth stuff. The guts of it is here, leave the other thread to the OP

That was a bloody needless thread split. Half the posts have disappeared and even the OP is disappointed if you check the other thread. I was enjoying all that.

How does intermittent fasting and lean gains approach of 16 hour fasting fit into benefit regular meals?

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2012/05/18/no-more-midnight-snacks-mice-that-eat-at-odd-hours-get-fat/

Researchers in the study gave the mice a special high-fat chow, 61% of whose calories come from fat (compared to just 13% in normal feed). The mice who chowed down all day and night became, unsurprisingly, obese, but the ones who ate the same amount of hi-fat food in only eight hours per day did not. Their body weight was comparable to mice fed an equivalent amount of calories on normal feed.

deadlybuzzman wrote: »

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2012/05/18/no-more-midnight-snacks-mice-that-eat-at-odd-hours-get-fat/

Researchers in the study gave the mice a special high-fat chow, 61% of whose calories come from fat (compared to just 13% in normal feed). The mice who chowed down all day and night became, unsurprisingly, obese, but the ones who ate the same amount of hi-fat food in only eight hours per day did not. Their body weight was comparable to mice fed an equivalent amount of calories on normal feed.

Are you a man or a mouse?:D

I'm always wary of extrapolating animal data to humans.

This was lsot in the split, so i'm reposting.

shligo.bulker wrote: »

Also using your logic, the bodybuilder could eat 1 huge meal at 9am and not work out till 2pm, and then wait till 6pm to have his final meal. You said in a previous post that timing is not important. I dare you to attempt a hard workout without eating a big feed of complex carbs 45mins-1hour beforehand.

Firstly, bodybuilders are so far towards the extreme end of the physical and chemical spectrum that they aren't relevant to anyone else.
That huge meal at 9am would of loaded up glycogen stores, a very easily accessed form of energy. More than enough to get through a 2pm workout if it suited you.

You said earlier that eating all your carbs in one go would make only make you fat.
What are you basing this on? Do you think the carbs will turn to fat?
Check out Leangains, I believe that uses the body's response (hormonal?) to a large meal in your favour rather than against you.

They're are pros and cons to eating more frequently. But the oft quoted reasons like preventing muscle wasting or a "better" metabolism arent as big as people make out. It's mostly people repeating what they heard without understanding the context.


Basically what I'm saying us that people don't achieve their goals because they didn't work hard enough, didn't eat enough (or too much), or didn't follow the right training. Not because they didn't eat their daily calories spread over enough meals.

deadlybuzzman wrote: »

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2012/05/18/no-more-midnight-snacks-mice-that-eat-at-odd-hours-get-fat/
The mice who chowed down all day and night became, unsurprisingly, obese, but the ones who ate the same amount of hi-fat food in only eight hours per day did not.

Interesting study, and the comments under it have a point I wondered, how did they get them to eat the same amounts.

And the other very good point made

You see, mice prefer to eat at night. Making them eat during the day may have made them less healthy? Could that be why there was a weight difference? If this is the case, we should consume all of our calories at night and fast during the day!

J-Fit wrote: »

Are you a man or a mouse?:D

I'm always wary of extrapolating animal data to humans.

Im very wary of it too-that said for me it makes it worth a look at

now Im totally guessing but I presuming its something to do with keeping insulin low.
Maybe someone read up on IF and thought theyd do it with mice