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We haven't had a good Public Sector bashing thread in ages

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  • #512
    mbiking123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,034 ✭✭✭mbiking123


    true wrote: »
    nurses in the USA are paid more than street-cleaners in the USA, but its still much less than nurses earn here. http://www.worldsalaries.org/usa.shtml
    As Heinz from the IMF says, we have the highest public sector wages and pensions in the world. That will change in time though.


    http://money.cnn.com/magazines/moneymag/bestjobs/2009/snapshots/4.html

    Nurse practioner up to $113,000 in 2009 thats more than any street cleaner even in ireland they dont get that amount of pay

    If they moved to Ireland and got a job as a nurse they would receive less pay. Obviously

    Why do you think the philipino nurses wanted to leave ireland. They were moving on at end of contract and refusing to sign new ones as got better jobs elsewhere - FACT cause I know of this happening. If it was so brill here how come they did not stay when they had the opportunity. This country too expensive cause of private sector


  • #513
    Nothingbetter2d
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,037 ✭✭✭Nothingbetter2d


    mbiking123 wrote: »
    http://money.cnn.com/magazines/moneymag/bestjobs/2009/snapshots/4.html

    Nurse practioner up to €113,000 in 2009 thats more than any street cleaner even in ireland they dont get that amount of pay

    If they moved to Ireland and got a job as a nurse they would receive less pay. Obviously

    Why do you think the philipino nurses wanted to leave ireland. They were moving on at end of contract and refusing to sign new ones as got better jobs elsewhere - FACT cause I know of this happening. If it was so brill here how come they did not stay when they had the opportunity. This country too expensive cause of private sector

    alot of the philipino nurses wanted out cos of the pure n utter racist sh!te they have to put up with in hospitals here from drunken yobs.


  • #514
    mbiking123
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    Nothingbetter2d wrote: »
    alot of the philipino nurses wanted out cos of the pure n utter racist sh!te they have to put up with in hospitals here from drunken yobs.

    No no no, also workin in old folks homes and wanted out, they liked there patients and viseversa also got on very well with other irish nurses. I know of how they wanted out, real pay of nurses in UK better than Irish nurses back to OECD point


  • #515
    mbiking123
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    green_island wrote: »
    i cant speak for other professions but i assure you that prior to the start of the cuts in 2008 , nurses in ireland were paid considerabley more than in the uk

    prior, what about now

    why compare to UK, cause living is cheaper in UK so less pay with cheaper groceries etc will leave you with more disposable income. Also UK devalued there currency while high Euro has left us hard to compete. Previously we kept Punt valued low against sterling. In reality if we had Punt, we would devalue and it would solve this problem. Semi state yet to take a pay cut and some in private sector still getin pay increases

    When value of sterling goes back up you will automatically find UK pay will be worth more compared to our pay

    our services are way too expensive, private sector charging way tooooo much


  • #516
    true
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,325 ✭✭✭true


    mbiking123 wrote: »

    why compare to UK

    Why not? Its our nearest neighbour, and one we share a land border with. There are millions of Irish people living in the UK too, and its also the country bailing us out financially along with IMF/EU.
    There are many people with relatives / old classmates etc working in UK.....and as the Irish (now in UK ) teacher on the radio said recently, public sector wages are much higher here in Ireland. We all know that.

    The challenge is on : Can you find a country in the world with higher average public sector wages than Ireland ?
    No you cannot. If you can, post a link.


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  • #517
    Monife
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    true wrote: »
    Why not? Its our nearest neighbour, and one we share a land border with. There are millions of Irish people living in the UK too, and its also the country bailing us out financially along with IMF/EU.
    There are many people with relatives / old classmates etc working in UK.....and as the Irish (now in UK ) teacher on the radio said recently, public sector wages are much higher here in Ireland. We all know that.

    The challenge is on : Can you find a country in the world with higher average public sector wages than Ireland ?
    No you cannot. If you can, post a link.

    Comparisons with countries who have a much lower cost of living are just stupid.


  • #518
    mbiking123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,034 ✭✭✭mbiking123


    true wrote: »
    Why not? Its our nearest neighbour, and one we share a land border with. There are millions of Irish people living in the UK too, and its also the country bailing us out financially along with IMF/EU.
    There are many people with relatives / old classmates etc working in UK.....and as the Irish (now in UK ) teacher on the radio said recently, public sector wages are much higher here in Ireland. We all know that.

    The challenge is on : Can you find a country in the world with higher average public sector wages than Ireland ?
    No you cannot. If you can, post a link.

    What is average public sector wage for Ireland ?


  • #519
    mbiking123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,034 ✭✭✭mbiking123


    http://www.leftcom.org/en/articles/2011-01-15/the-crisis-in-ireland-a-warning-to-the-world%E2%80%99s-workers

    In the so-called boom years the ICTU urged workers to accept moderate wage claims in the “national interest”.


  • #520
    mbiking123
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    true wrote: »
    As Heinz from the IMF says, we have the highest public sector wages and pensions in the world. That will change in time though.
    Cant find that on the web, in fact cant find alot of the stats and figures being quoted on this forum


  • #521
    mbiking123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,034 ✭✭✭mbiking123


    mbiking123 wrote: »
    What is average public sector wage for Ireland ?

    oh and a link too please


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  • #522
    Odysseus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,752 ✭✭✭Odysseus


    mbiking123 wrote: »
    oh and a link too please

    Why respond to these special people, we know they are talking out of their hole. Our time would be much better spent counting our gold and planning even better returns on our pensions.


  • #523
    Wompa1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,360 ✭✭✭Wompa1


    mbiking123 wrote: »
    Private sector needs to cut their prices and wages

    Huh!???? How would that be good. Bring down the cost of living for people in public sector that are starting on low wages now because the realization has set in that the whole system was being run into the ground?

    Private sector pay gets spent here and generates tax revenue to help pay for the public sector and services.

    Public sector pay gets paid here too but some of it, in some cases for lower paid people is offset by how much they are getting paid in the first place. It's fine, it's better to have somebody doing a job and earning their keep but if they are getting overpaid it hurts the cash circulation in the country. Less is going directly towards the revenue. Confusing but it makes sense in my head


  • #524
    mbiking123
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    Wompa1 wrote: »
    Huh!???? How would that be good. Bring down the cost of living for people in public sector that are starting on low wages now because the realization has set in that the whole system was being run into the ground?

    As per OECD survey that I already quoted

    Bring down cost of living then pay can be reduced. Tesco, Lidl, Aldi etc charge more here for the same groceries than anywhere else. Dunnes Stores clothing used to have a Euro/Sterling price tag. We can all remember the difference in price, exchange rate and VAT difference would not account for price difference. Hence why people go North to shop, childrens buggies etc etc all way cheaper


  • #525
    true
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,325 ✭✭✭true


    mbiking123 wrote: »
    oh and a link too please

    have googled it and first result is " The average public sector worker was paid £23,660 a year "...but thats in the UK, where they complain that even paying them that is too much!!!!!http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/7036131/Record-gap-between-public-and-private-sector-pay.html

    Statistics in this thread earlier show average Irish public sector pay is in the order of 49,000 per year.


    From the Guardian not too many years ago:
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/ireland-business-blog-with-lisa-ocarroll/2010/dec/06/ireland-public-sector-fat-cats
    Some Irish v UK Salaries

    UK: Prime minister David Cameron - £142,500.
    Ireland: Taoiseach Brian Cowen - €228,446 (£193,250.01)
    Who's on top? Ireland

    UK: NHS chief executive David Nicolson - £255,000
    Ireland: HSE chief executive Cathal Magee – salary of €335,913 (£284,476)
    Who's on top? Ireland

    Department of finance
    UK: Treasury permanent secretary, Sir Nicholas Macpherson £175,000
    Ireland: Department of finance's secretary general, Kevin Cardiff €228,446 (£193,250.01)
    Who's on top? Ireland

    An Post
    UK: Royal Mail managing director Mark Middleton £154,999
    Ireland: An Post chief executive Donal Connell €500,000 (£423,097.31)
    Who's on top? Ireland

    Top 10 earners in the Irish public sector (state and semi-state)

    1. Head of ESB: €752,568
    2. Head of Dublin Airport Authority: €568,100
    3. Head of An Post: €500,000
    4. Head of Coillte, the forestry commission €417,000
    5. Head of Voluntary Health Insurance: €412,003
    6. Head of Bord Gais: €394,000
    7. Head of Bord na Mona (turf energy agency): €392,000
    8. Head of Health Services Executive: €335,913
    9. Head of RTE: (TV): €326,000
    10. Head of Science Foundation of Ireland: €259,698
    10.


  • #526
    woodoo
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    true wrote: »
    An Post
    UK: Royal Mail managing director Mark Middleton £154,999
    Ireland: An Post chief executive Donal Connell €500,000 (£423,097.31)
    Who's on top? Ireland

    Top 10 earners in the Irish public sector (state and semi-state)

    1. Head of ESB: €752,568
    2. Head of Dublin Airport Authority: €568,100
    3. Head of An Post: €500,000
    4. Head of Coillte, the forestry commission €417,000
    5. Head of Voluntary Health Insurance: €412,003
    6. Head of Bord Gais: €394,000
    7. Head of Bord na Mona (turf energy agency): €392,000
    8. Head of Health Services Executive: €335,913
    9. Head of RTE: (TV): €326,000
    10. Head of Science Foundation of Ireland: €259,698
    10.

    Far too high.


  • #527
    true
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,325 ✭✭✭true


    woodoo wrote: »
    Far too high.

    especially when you consider we have a population of only about a fifteenth of the UK......and also the fact our country is broke, has no great natural resources and is still spending tens of billions more than it takes in tax.


  • #528
    Monife
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,014 ✭✭✭Monife


    true wrote: »
    have googled it and first result is " The average public sector worker was paid £23,660 a year "...but thats in the UK, where they complain that even paying them that is too much!!!!!http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/7036131/Record-gap-between-public-and-private-sector-pay.html

    Statistics in this thread earlier show average Irish public sector pay is in the order of 49,000 per year.

    The majority of public sector workers are clerical officers and the maximum pay scale they can reach is approximately €36,000 after 10 years service. That average (€49,000) that everyone seems to throw around willy nilly is ALL public sector wages compiled and an average taken of that. So it is not correct.


  • #529
    mbiking123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,034 ✭✭✭mbiking123


    Monife wrote: »
    The majority of public sector workers are clerical officers and the maximum pay scale they can reach is approximately €36,000 after 10 years service. That average (€49,000) that everyone seems to throw around willy nilly is ALL public sector wages compiled and an average taken of that. So it is not correct.

    I dont know where the 49,000 is coming from as I cant find it using Google. Perhaps someone can add a link


  • #530
    mbiking123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,034 ✭✭✭mbiking123


    true wrote: »

    Top 10 earners in the Irish public sector (state and semi-state)

    1. Head of ESB: €752,568
    2. Head of Dublin Airport Authority: €568,100
    3. Head of An Post: €500,000
    4. Head of Coillte, the forestry commission €417,000
    5. Head of Voluntary Health Insurance: €412,003
    6. Head of Bord Gais: €394,000
    7. Head of Bord na Mona (turf energy agency): €392,000
    8. Head of Health Services Executive: €335,913
    9. Head of RTE: (TV): €326,000
    10. Head of Science Foundation of Ireland: €259,698
    10.

    Bang on - however ! they are semi-state companies

    perhaps start a thread for knocking the semi-state. Must say some RTE staff are def overpaid and the 'mission to pray' turned out expensive for the taxpayer as you no longer need to just have a TV set to pay a TV licence. We all know how FAS wasted money. However back to public sector still have not been given any examples also cause steling is low value compared to years ago (Bank of England devalued due to recession) there pay will now be lower against Euro than it used to be. Even now Euro still trading well against the dollar at 1.27. In 2004 I can remember that was considered a high exchange rate


  • #531
    mbiking123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,034 ✭✭✭mbiking123


    true wrote: »
    especially when you consider we have a population of only about a fifteenth of the UK......and also the fact our country is broke, has no great natural resources and is still spending tens of billions more than it takes in tax.

    Who broke it - private sector ie.- banks


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  • #532
    mbiking123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,034 ✭✭✭mbiking123


    Originally Posted by true viewpost.gif
    have googled it and first result is " The average public sector worker was paid £23,660 a year "...but thats in the UK, where they complain that even paying them that is too much!!!!!http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/e...ector-pay.html

    Statistics in this thread earlier show average Irish public sector pay is in the order of 49,000 per year.
    "



    that article states
    "The average public sector worker was paid £23,660 a year, compared with private sector workers who were paid £21,528 a year, in the three months to the end of November"

    from http://www.cso.ie/quicktables/GetQuickTables.aspx?FileName=EHQ03.asp&TableName=Earnings+and+Labour+Costs&StatisticalProduct=DB_EH
    can see wages falling however at weekly pay of 689.54 then av pay of Irish worker is 35856.08 per year. Well above our UK counterparts, back to the OECD statement I gave. Going on your argument of reducing pay to UK levels I guess the private sector people doin the bashing need a pay reduction too.


  • #533
    mbiking123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,034 ✭✭✭mbiking123


    I guess if somebody says in boards.ie that the average public sector pay is 49,000 then its fact. Can someone provide a link - still waiting


  • #534
    true
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,325 ✭✭✭true


    mbiking123 wrote: »
    Who broke it - private sector ie.- banks

    Anyone who broke laws should be in jail.
    Who set the laws of the country, and were supposed to regulate the banks? Why the Government, Central bank and Regulator - all public sector.


    A link was given earlier for UK public sector pay.
    You can verify that public sector pay in the Republic is almost double what it is in the UK by looking at http://www.cso.ie/en/media/csoie/releasespublications/documents/earnings/2011/earnlabcosts_q22011.pdf


  • #535
    cursai
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    A whole lot of bashing here. Just what this threads label says. Rare to see that in the private sector.
    If I order a big Mac and fries. I want the one on the flyer.


  • #536
    mbiking123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,034 ✭✭✭mbiking123


    true wrote: »
    Anyone who broke laws should be in jail.
    Who set the laws of the country, and were supposed to regulate the banks? Why the Government, Central bank and Regulator - all public sector.


    A link was given earlier for UK public sector pay.
    You can verify that public sector pay in the Republic is almost double what it is in the UK by looking at http://www.cso.ie/en/media/csoie/releasespublications/documents/earnings/2011/earnlabcosts_q22011.pdf

    Your not answering the question - what is avergae pay for public sector

    You voted and everybody else voted for the government, if you were not happy with them you and everybody else had your chance to remove them. Not a public sector problem (bloody hell blame everything on public sector)

    Irish people are overpaid compared to UK as per previous posting. Go with your argument private sector also need a pay cut

    When it comes to regulation then yes regulator was not doing their job, however just becuase you think you can do something and get away with it does not mean it is correct. For example if I drive at speed on a motorway and cause a serious accident, its my fault I did it. I cannot blame Gardai because there was not have a speed trap on the road, I broke the law, I did it and I caused an accident its my fault nobody else to blame.


  • #537
    Doc Ruby
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    Can't bate the oul head librarian in Sligo earning more than the prime minister of Spain.


  • #538
    true
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,325 ✭✭✭true


    mbiking123 wrote: »
    Your not answering the question - what is avergae pay for public sector

    You voted and everybody else voted for the government,

    The average public sector pay is in this thread and in the link I posted.

    And no, I did not vote for the government, which incidentally doubled public sector pay and pensions in the space of 10 years of relatively low inflation.


  • #539
    mbiking123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,034 ✭✭✭mbiking123


    true wrote: »
    The average public sector pay is in this thread and in the link I posted.

    And no, I did not vote for the government, which incidentally doubled public sector pay and pensions in the space of 10 years of relatively low inflation.

    Still avoiding the question as its not there

    What 10 years was that, before economy collapsed inflation was a serious problem and often mention in the Dail


  • #540
    true
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,325 ✭✭✭true


    mbiking123 wrote: »
    Still avoiding the question as its not there

    If you want to read it, I suggest you read both the 36 pages of this thread and/or the link I gave you. Thats why I gave you the link.


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  • #541
    mikemac1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,395 ✭✭✭✭mikemac1


    What about another round of benchmarking
    It was accepted before so we can do it again once Croke Park expires

    Or does benchmarking only work one way? ;)

    It would be fair if it used the same criteria that was used before when it gave wage rises


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