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Proposed Che Guevara sculpture on the prom

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,562 ✭✭✭leeroybrown


    This has to be one of the worst arguments I have heard against it. By that logic American multinational companies would find it hard to set up anywhere. American companies will be here whilst it is still profitable for them to do so, they will not put an insignificant statue (to them) in the way of financial gain. If they were to be that fical they would not be as large and successful as they are. If you were to argue that the structure was a bad design or that it was the wrong place I would understand.
    As someone neutral on the whole statue issue I'm in complete agreement with this. There's a small set of noisy US politicians who'll make an issue of it and get nowhere but the US multinationals won't care. It's just an argument advanced but those who don't want it erected.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,138 ✭✭✭paky


    a statue like this could have a profund impact on the youth. you could see galway turn into a soviet republic in the future


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,842 ✭✭✭Rob A. Bank


    Has anybody actually confirmed any of this properly at all? I mean loads of websites give his ancestory as dating from 1715 which would make him much further removed.

    This might shed some light on the dates of the Lynch ancestor’s emigration from Ireland. There is an interview with Juan Martin Guevara (a brother of Che) on YouTube where he discusses his family's Irish ancestry.

    Rough translation below…

    “I think that this particular great-grandfather that became Argentine came from Ireland. If it wasn’t him then for sure it was his father, but I believe it was this great-grandfather because my grandfather was born in 1850, so that would mean this man came here in 1800, 1800 and something, so he had to be the one that was Irish, my great-grandfather.

    My father was the one who mostly tried to convey this to us, that we were of Irish descent, I mean this in the sense of differentiating ourselves from the English. He also tried to convey to us a particular thing; an idea of liberation, that the Irish wanted to liberate themselves from the English. He was the one that brought to us this history.”

    Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nn75sriNhMk


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,215 ✭✭✭galah


    said it somewhere else before - why does it have to be the old clichéed T-shirt 'face' thing as a statue? If they absolutely *have* to have Che up at the prom, could they not do something a touch more original? The 'design' as it is now is just plain awful (I never liked the t-shirt prints either though...).

    But surely we have other people or events to commemorate before some random South American with rather sketchy connections to Galway, and not even Galway City at that? Let them put up a statue of Che in Claregalway if they must, and leave the prom for something a little more relevant...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,326 ✭✭✭CrowdedHouse


    paky wrote: »
    a statue like this could have a profund impact on the youth. you could see galway turn into a soviet republic in the future

    You're saying that like it's a bad thing..............!

    Seven Worlds will Collide



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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 946 ✭✭✭Predalien


    Did all the multinationals stay away when Cuba nightclub was on the go?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 477 ✭✭ted2767


    Predalien wrote: »
    Did all the multinationals stay away when Cuba nightclub was on the go?


    Frankly I think this is one of the most ridicolous ideas that I've ever heard.
    Forget about politicians and muti nationals they may say they don't agree but nothing will come of that.
    How about the US tourists that support so much employment in Galway a significant portion of these may not be too impressed by Galway city council wasting money to commerate such a person.
    It'd ba a lot worse pi**ing them off that some idiot like Ganley


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,138 ✭✭✭paky


    You're saying that like it's a bad thing..............!

    given the crimes communism has committed against humanity i would think its for the best


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,819 ✭✭✭Hannibal


    paky wrote: »
    given the crimes communism has committed against humanity i would think its for the best
    and capitalism hasn't committed any crimes in the name of $$$ no?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,456 ✭✭✭fishy fishy


    ted2767 wrote: »
    Frankly I think this is one of the most ridicolous ideas that I've ever heard.
    Forget about politicians and muti nationals they may say they don't agree but nothing will come of that.
    How about the US tourists that support so much employment in Galway a significant portion of these may not be too impressed by Galway city council wasting money to commerate such a person.
    It'd ba a lot worse pi**ing them off that some idiot like Ganley

    you mean the ones who buys one glass of guinness with seven straws?? ;)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,060 ✭✭✭✭biko


    I don't think the general public in US is any more pro or anti Che than the general Irish public.
    It's US Republican Ileana Ros-Lehtinen that seems most vocal. Ros-Lehtinen was born in Havana, Cuba and her dad is a now US based activist opposed to Cuban president Fidel Castro.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,819 ✭✭✭Hannibal


    biko wrote: »
    I don't think the general public in US is any more pro or anti Che than the general Irish public.
    It's US Republican Ileana Ros-Lehtinen that seems most vocal. Ros-Lehtinen was born in Havana, Cuba and her dad is a now US based activist opposed to Cuban president Fidel Castro.
    Fidel Castro no longer holds any positions in Cuba as he retired in 2008.

    US government policy in Cuba is influenced by the money they recieve from big businessmen in Miami, it's a sort of back hander to buy favours from the government.

    Former US president Jimmy Carter is a regular visitor to Cuba and has dispelled most of the anti-Castro and anti-Cuban propoganda put out by the US government.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 477 ✭✭ted2767


    ted2767 wrote: »
    Frankly I think this is one of the most ridicolous ideas that I've ever heard.
    Forget about politicians and muti nationals they may say they don't agree but nothing will come of that.
    How about the US tourists that support so much employment in Galway a significant portion of these may not be too impressed by Galway city council wasting money to commerate such a person.
    It'd ba a lot worse pi**ing them off that some idiot like Ganley

    you mean the ones who buys one glass of guinness with seven straws?? ;)

    The same ones who stay in hotels eat out and generally support jobs.

    Yeah they're the ones I'm talking about


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,456 ✭✭✭fishy fishy


    ted2767 wrote: »
    The same ones who stay in hotels eat out and generally support jobs.

    Yeah they're the ones I'm talking about

    you are more worried about a few americans who probably have no idea who che guevara is, than tourists from the rest of the world who would probably be more than happy to see this monument.

    Americans should have nothing to do with what is put up in Salthill. This is Ireland, not America.

    I think a labour councillor is behind this - however the labour party seems to be as far removed from socialism as you can get. Thats the only thing I disagree with.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,842 ✭✭✭Rob A. Bank


    ted2767 wrote: »
    How about the US tourists that support so much employment in Galway a significant portion of these may not be too impressed by Galway city council wasting money to commerate such a person.

    It'd ba a lot worse pi**ing them off that some idiot like Ganley

    Nonsense !

    There are plenty of controversial monuments all over the world.

    But most sensible Irish people don't see the statue of that genocidal maniac Oliver Cromwell, in prime position outside the Westminster Parliament, as a factor in their decision to visit the UK or not.

    Likewise I doubt if many Germans are put off going to London because of the presence of a statue of that war criminal Bomber Harris.

    If anything the Che monument would be a tourist draw… remember the old advertising axiom “Any publicity is good publicity”

    :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 477 ✭✭ted2767


    ted2767 wrote: »
    How about the US tourists that support so much employment in Galway a significant portion of these may not be too impressed by Galway city council wasting money to commerate such a person.

    It'd ba a lot worse pi**ing them off that some idiot like Ganley

    Nonsense !

    There are plenty of controversial monuments all over the world.

    But most sensible Irish people don't see the statue of that genocidal maniac Oliver Cromwell, in prime position outside the Westminster Parliament, as a factor in their decision to visit the UK or not.

    Likewise I doubt if many Germans are put off going to London because of the presence of a statue of that war criminal Bomber Harris.

    If anything the Che monument would be a tourist draw… remember the old advertising axiom “Any publicity is good publicity”

    :)


    A statue Che as a tourist draw?
    Grow up just because there may be questionable monuments elsewhere this is no excuse to have one in Ireland.
    And the two examples you mentioned in the UK are of home grown charachters i.e. both British and to very many Brite represent heroic figures unpalatable and all as that is to an Irish person.
    Surely there is some locals who could be honoured with a statue if they really want to put one up.
    There are far better ways for the council to spend our money than on somebody with tenious links to the area.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,562 ✭✭✭leeroybrown


    ted2767 wrote: »
    There are far better ways for the council to spend our money than on somebody with tenious links to the area.
    It's not the council's money. It's all being put up by the Argentinean and Cuban embassies to Ireland.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,024 ✭✭✭Lockstep


    We have a statue to Columbus (the guy who enslaved and raped the Americas) and a square dedicated to Kennedy (with a wee memorial) so I really don't think Guevara is any worse.

    It doesn't cost us anything and we could do with more statues and artwork in Galway.

    I've zero problems with this. I mean, Ireland already has numerous statues of an authoritarian American with tenuous Irish ancestry and a highly divisive legacy.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,436 ✭✭✭c_man


    It's not the council's money. It's all being put up by the Argentinean and Cuban embassies to Ireland.
    Americans should have nothing to do with what is put up in Salthill.

    Hear, hear! :pac:


  • Posts: 26,920 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Can we put one of Hitler right beside him? Just for the craic. But both will have movable limbs, so you can put them in loads of positions.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,364 ✭✭✭golden lane


    well.......he had a great beret.........can't think of anythin elase good about him.....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,456 ✭✭✭fishy fishy


    ted2767 wrote: »
    A statue Che as a tourist draw?
    Grow up just because there may be questionable monuments elsewhere this is no excuse to have one in Ireland.
    And the two examples you mentioned in the UK are of home grown charachters i.e. both British and to very many Brite represent heroic figures unpalatable and all as that is to an Irish person.
    Surely there is some locals who could be honoured with a statue if they really want to put one up.
    There are far better ways for the council to spend our money than on somebody with tenious links to the area.

    you should really try to get the facts correct before you start discussing a topic. try reading a bit about it first. :D:D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 477 ✭✭ted2767


    ted2767 wrote: »
    A statue Che as a tourist draw?
    Grow up just because there may be questionable monuments elsewhere this is no excuse to have one in Ireland.
    And the two examples you mentioned in the UK are of home grown charachters i.e. both British and to very many Brite represent heroic figures unpalatable and all as that is to an Irish person.
    Surely there is some locals who could be honoured with a statue if they really want to put one up.
    There are far better ways for the council to spend our money than on somebody with tenious links to the area.

    you should really try to get the facts correct before you start discussing a topic. try reading a bit about it first. :D:D

    Exactly what facts are incorrect?
    You are obviously an expert so please enlighten my obvious ignorance.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,456 ✭✭✭fishy fishy


    ted2767 wrote: »
    Exactly what facts are incorrect?
    You are obviously an expert so please enlighten my obvious ignorance.

    no, I wouldn't say I'm an expert by any means - there are not a lot of "experts" around. However, I think Leeroy has commented on your incorrect facts above. :o


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 477 ✭✭ted2767


    ted2767 wrote: »
    Exactly what facts are incorrect?
    You are obviously an expert so please enlighten my obvious ignorance.

    no, I wouldn't say I'm an expert by any means - there are not a lot of "experts" around. However, I think Leeroy has commented on your incorrect facts above. :o

    Ok right thanks for that.

    So just cause someone else is picking up the tab means it's ok then does it?
    Are we just to doff our caps and say thanks.
    Frankly thats an idiotic way of thinking and if you or anyone believes that taking money from two South American countries with questionable records as far as open government and human rights are concerned is the way to go then good luck to you.
    The fact that another country through its consular missions is fostering their heros on us is bad enough but the idea that we'd even contemplate accecpting it is even worse.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 220 ✭✭harryd2


    ted2767 wrote: »
    Are we just to doff our caps and say thanks.
    ...
    Frankly thats an idiotic way of thinking
    ...
    Grow up
    ...
    You are obviously an expert so please enlighten my obvious ignorance.
    .

    classy


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,199 ✭✭✭Shryke


    Well I think it'll be grand.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,456 ✭✭✭fishy fishy


    ted2767 wrote: »
    Ok right thanks for that.

    So just cause someone else is picking up the tab means it's ok then does it?
    Are we just to doff our caps and say thanks.
    Frankly thats an idiotic way of thinking and if you or anyone believes that taking money from two South American countries with questionable records as far as open government and human rights are concerned is the way to go then good luck to you.
    The fact that another country through its consular missions is fostering their heros on us is bad enough but the idea that we'd even contemplate accecpting it is even worse.

    funniest post of the thread. :D:D:D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 477 ✭✭ted2767


    ted2767 wrote: »
    Ok right thanks for that.

    So just cause someone else is picking up the tab means it's ok then does it?
    Are we just to doff our caps and say thanks.
    Frankly thats an idiotic way of thinking and if you or anyone believes that taking money from two South American countries with questionable records as far as open government and human rights are concerned is the way to go then good luck to you.
    The fact that another country through its consular missions is fostering their heros on us is bad enough but the idea that we'd even contemplate accecpting it is even worse.

    funniest post of the thread. :D:D:D

    I'm delighted I amused you.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40 liabhroidi


    Will there be any room on the prom with all the statues...

    see this post on the news and media thread


    Cuban exile millionaire offers to pay for statue of Lindsay Lohan in Irish city that wants to honor Guevara

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=80345379


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