Alan Shatter Dishing Out Citizenship Like Confetti

IrishAm · 13-05-2012 02:47PM #1

Metro Éireann has learned that the Passport Office doubts that some of the documents supplied with the applications, such as birth and marriage certificates, are genuine – despite being accepted by the Department of Justice in granting them citizenship.

A spokesperson for the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade told Metro Éireann that the Passport Office “is obligated under the Passport Act to satisfy itself as to the authenticity of documentation provided to establish the identity of applicants.

“Authenticating documents can be complicated in the case of a number of countries due to different factors, including variations in document quality, variations in document standardisation; and, the lack of a range of security features in documents.

“In order for the Passport Office to satisfy itself as to the authenticity of documents it can be necessary to carry out additional checks,” the spokesperson added.

http://metroeireann.com/article/naturalised-nigerians-up-in-arms,3322

Wtf is this Shatter character up to? Giving citizenship to thousands of people, whom the Passport Office believe are not whom the say they are?

Since talking office he has, in no particular order;

- Lashed out circa 30,000 passports.

- Stated that he plans to give early release to thousands of prisoners.

- Came up with a hair brained scheme to allow anyone, settle with their families in Ireland, if they invest a measly 75 large.

- Free access to Ireland for anyone who visits the UK "for the Olympics".

:mad:

Nodin · 13-05-2012 02:49PM

Did you read the article....?

IrishAm · 13-05-2012 02:50PM

Nodin wrote: »

Did you read the article....?

I did, did you?

lividduck · 13-05-2012 02:51PM

Nodin wrote: »

Did you read the article....?

Of course he didn't just more of the same, what would you expect from the OP concerned!

Raging_Ninja · 13-05-2012 02:52PM

OP reading fail.

Thousands of Nigerians recently granted citizenship in Ireland have had their applications for Irish passports returned.

Nodin · 13-05-2012 02:54PM

IrishAm wrote: »

I did, ......

You're sure now? Didn't just see "Nigerians" there, have a flashing mental image of large black fellows and panic?

IrishAm · 13-05-2012 02:54PM

lividduck wrote: »

Of course he didn't just more of the same, what would you expect from the OP concerned!

Ive read it after I had a discussion about it with somebody who closely works with, in a professional capacity, the ORAC.

mikom · 13-05-2012 02:56PM

IrishAm wrote: »

Alan Shatter Dishing Out Citizenship Like Confetti

*Stamps on glass*

"Mazel Tov!"

galwayrush · 13-05-2012 02:56PM

IrishAm wrote: »

Ive read it after I had a discussion about it with somebody who closely works with, in a professional capacity, the ORAC.

A very selective conversation...:pac:

lividduck · 13-05-2012 02:57PM

IrishAm wrote: »

Ive read it after I had a discussion about it with somebody who closely works with, in a professional capacity, the ORAC.

Reading alas does not equate to comprehending!

Nodin · 13-05-2012 02:57PM

IrishAm wrote: »

Ive read it after I had a discussion about it with somebody who closely works with, in a professional capacity, the ORAC.

An anecdote concerning somebody 'WHO KNOWS' this early in a 'de immigrants' thread?.....you're goin at break-neck pace here.

IrishAm · 13-05-2012 02:57PM

Raging_Ninja wrote: »

OP reading fail.

Metro Éireann has learned that the Passport Office doubts that some of the documents supplied with the applications, such as birth and marriage certificates, are genuine – despite being accepted by the Department of Justice in granting them citizenship.

The PO doubts documents the DoJ accepted are genuine.

Why the hell were they granted citizenship if there were doubts about their documentation?

Nodin · 13-05-2012 03:01PM

IrishAm wrote: »

The PO doubts documents the DoJ accepted are genuine.

Why the hell were they granted citizenship if there were doubts about their documentation?

Or the Passport office is requiring a second level of verification for nigerians specifically. Hence having to go to the Embassy to get them stamped.

The King of Moo · 13-05-2012 03:01PM

IrishAm wrote: »

The PO doubts documents the DoJ accepted are genuine.

Why the hell were they granted citizenship if there were doubts about their documentation?

Did you not read the part at the beginning of the article about the Passport Office returning their applications (which, oddly, you didn't quote)?

I'm surprised you haven't mentioned that: I'd have thought you would've been happy about that.

IrishAm · 13-05-2012 03:05PM

The King of Moo wrote: »

Did you not read the part at the beginning of the article about the Passport Office returning their applications (which, oddly, you didn't quote)?

I'm surprised you haven't mentioned that: I'd have thought you would've been happy about that.

They have already been issued citizenship. They are Irish citizens. Should it not have been the DoJ asking them to verify their documentation before issuing citizenship and not the PO?

It seems the DoJ are undermining the integrity of Irish citizenship and not conducting the proper background checks.

If you cant prove who you say you are, you shouldnt be allowed stay in the Irish state, never mind become a fucking citizen of it.

Battered Mars Bar · 13-05-2012 03:06PM

He could do with a hair cut aswell

Nodin · 13-05-2012 03:09PM

IrishAm wrote: »

They have already been issued citizenship. They are Irish citizens. Should it not have been the DoJ asking them to verify their documentation before issuing citizenship and not the PO?

It seems the DoJ are undermining the integrity of Irish citizenship and not conducting the proper background checks.

...or that, as I pointed out, there's not harmony between two government departments on the level of verification required. Given that the procedure is not to get new documents but have them stamped by the Nigerian embassy, that seems to be the case here.

IrishAm · 13-05-2012 03:19PM

Nodin wrote: »

...or that, as I pointed out, there's not harmony between two government departments on the level of verification required. Given that the procedure is not to get new documents but have them stamped by the Nigerian embassy, that seems to be the case here.

It does not seem to be the case at all. It seems to be the case the DoJ has issued citizenship to thousands of people whom are not whom they say they are.

Do you honestly not see a problem with this?

Hand on heart, forget your ideology for a minute, do you honestly think all is above board and its just a breakdown in communication between two departments?

IrishAm · 13-05-2012 03:20PM

lividduck wrote: »

Of course he didn't just more of the same, what would you expect from the OP concerned!

What the hell does that mean?:rolleyes:

Coal1978 · 13-05-2012 03:24PM

I think he was great in Star Trek, better he's got a proper job now and not still doing those stupid All Bran ads.

Nodin · 13-05-2012 03:28PM

IrishAm wrote: »

It does not seem to be the case at all. It seems to be the case the DoJ has issued citizenship to thousands of people whom are not whom they say they are.?

Theres no evidence of that thus far. The passport office has requested the senders have the documents stamped by the nigerian embassy, and thats it.

IrishAm wrote: »

Hand on heart, forget your ideology.

Whats my ideology?

IrishAm wrote: »

for a minute, do you honestly think all is above board and its just a breakdown in communication between two departments?

...thats what I typed and nothing has come to the fore in the interim.

IrishAm · 13-05-2012 03:32PM

Nodin wrote: »

...thats what I typed and nothing has come to the fore in the interim.

We can come back to this in a few months time and I shall be proved right, these people entered the country using false documentation.

They wont be able to prove they are who they say they are.

Before you put that down as purely anecdotal, or my opinion, I am willing to put my cash where me gob is.

Nodin · 13-05-2012 03:34PM

IrishAm wrote: »

We can come back to this in a few months time and I shall be proved right, these people entered the country using false documentation.

They wont be able to prove they are who they say they are.

Before you put that down as purely anecdotal, or my opinion, I am willing to put my cash where me gob is.

No, you'd mess up the cash. A sock would suffice.

Now - whats my ideology?

IrishAm · 13-05-2012 03:36PM

Nodin wrote: »

No, you'd mess up the cash. A sock would suffice.

Now - whats my ideology?

Open borders.

Ellis Dee · 13-05-2012 03:39PM

Is it a race between him and his cronies in Jerusalem to see who can put most Irish passports in circulation?:):):)

Nodin · 13-05-2012 03:41PM

IrishAm wrote: »

Open borders.

I've never advocated open borders, here or anywhere else. Very few do, because its rather a naive idea. It would seem that you see what you want to see.

IrishAm · 13-05-2012 03:42PM

Ellis Dee wrote: »

Is it a race between him and his cronies in Jerusalem to see who can put most Irish passports in circulation?:):):)

He wasnt MoJ when the Israeli Irish passport scandal came to light.

It was Saint Lenihan iirc.

IrishAm · 13-05-2012 03:44PM

Nodin wrote: »

I've never advocated open borders, here or anywhere else. Very few do, because its rather a naive idea. It would seem that you see what you want to see.

The Irish state practically practices it.

Nodin · 13-05-2012 03:46PM

Ellis Dee wrote: »

Is it a race between him and his cronies in Jerusalem to see who can put most Irish passports in circulation?:):):)

Now, now. They aren't all in it together.

And besides, wasn't our Lord and Saviourone of them as well.

galgar · 13-05-2012 03:47PM

Why the need to get documents stamped by the Nigerian Embassy if the applicants have pleaded asylum here as refugees. Surely their former Embassy would be the last place they would go to.

Nodin · 13-05-2012 03:49PM

IrishAm wrote: »

The Irish state practically practices it.

A stupid remark with zero basis in fact. Perhaps if you concentrated more on the provable than whats in your imagination, you wouldn't be misreading articles and wrongly attributing views to people who've never held them.

Alan Shatter Dishing Out Citizenship Like Confetti

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