Munster Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread.

Cpt_Blackbeard · 07-05-2012 11:40AM

Quint2010 wrote: »

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2012/0507/1224315689399.html

Interesting piece this morning that ROG and POC had a hand in the selecion of Penney. These guys certainly do have alot of power down south..

Penney really is making all the right noises. Looking forward to what he brings.

How is Penney having a brief talk with ROG/POC any different to Schmidt's talk with senior Leinster players before he was signed?

Quint2010 · 07-05-2012 11:44AM

Cpt_Blackbeard wrote: »

Penney really is making all the right noises. Looking forward to what he brings.

How is Penney having a brief talk with ROG/POC any different to Schmidt's talk with senior Leinster players before he was signed?

Really? I didn't know Leinster's senior players had a hand in Schmidt's appointment. Well done to them. They should be knighted..:)

CIARAN_BOYLE · 07-05-2012 11:46AM

Quint2010 wrote: »

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2012/0507/1224315689399.html

Interesting piece this morning that ROG and POC had a hand in the selecion of Penney. These guys certainly do have alot of power down south..

other reports claim that ROG and POC involvement was little more than a quick chat.

irishbucsfan · 07-05-2012 11:47AM

Depending on which Munster fans you listen to, Foley though he wasn't ready and was happy for Penney to take the job on. Interesting to see Penney contradicting that rumour.

07-05-2012 11:48AM

i think its right that the senior players get a say on whos appointed if a team does not like there manager it will never work

a quick chat can help avoid a huge internal issue

Benny Cake · 07-05-2012 11:52AM

Cpt_Blackbeard wrote: »

Penney really is making all the right noises. Looking forward to what he brings.

How is Penney having a brief talk with ROG/POC any different to Schmidt's talk with senior Leinster players before he was signed?

Nothing out of the ordinary really. Quinlan mentioned on RTE that ROG, POC & Dougie were all consulted on the appointment...

irishbucsfan · 07-05-2012 11:53AM

Diana Lively Survivor wrote: »

i think its right that the senior players get a say on whos appointed if a team does not like there manager it will never work

a quick chat can help avoid a huge internal issue

A guy like OConnelll will have been exposed to far more top level coaching throughout his career than Garrett Fitzgerald. He's been coached by some of thebest, whether it's with Munster, Ireland or the Lions. So to NOT use these guys would be a massive mistake. I wouldn't be surprised at all if O'Driscoll or someone had spoken to Schmidt.

GerM · 07-05-2012 12:24PM

It would be odd if POC and ROG weren't consulted. In any area of work, senior staff will be consulted to see how they feel a new hire will fit in with the dynamic. After the Ella/Kidney debacles, I recall BOD, Hickie and Reggie were consulted ahead of Cheika's appointment.

GerM · 07-05-2012 12:56PM

CatFromHue wrote: »

POC's long term injury seemed from what I've read to be one of the first of its types so I'm not sure if he can be included on that list. (this is the hip virus thing he had).

Dowling and Jones were also freak injuries. I presume you're referring to Joneses long term knee and/or neck injury.

Were Leamy's knee injury and TOL's initial leg break not sustained on the field of play? Then TOL had that freak eye injury too. I don't know what the story was with his back.
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POC had a condition called Gilmore Groin which is more often seen in runners and his pubic bone became infected. This was after a failure to identify the issue initially and the situation ended up costing him about 9 months. TOL's ankle was bad luck as was his eye but the back injury dragged out and recurred forcing him out of multiple games. Leamy also had a shoulder reconstruction and has been dogged by injury for a bout 4 years now with major injury after major injury.

Too many injuries where there's ligament damage that are "freak" injuries to Munster players. Murray, POC, Ronan, Varley, Jones and Wallace this season alone. I know some teams do muscle analysis to identify weaknesses around joints and ensure the strength and flexibility is always at the absolute maximum and tailoring their conditioning work on the basis of the results.

These guys are insanely dedicated and regimented about their preparation but they can only prepare as they are instructed.

Benny Cake · 07-05-2012 01:04PM

I'd be surprised if there was a significant difference between the treatment of injuries among the various provinces. Particularly those players onvolved in the Irish setup...

irishbucsfan · 07-05-2012 01:08PM

Benny Cake wrote: »

I'd be surprised if there was a significant difference between the treatment of injuries among the various provinces. Particularly those players onvolved in the Irish setup...

Munster are having a bit of trouble sacking a conditioning coach though... So maybe there is something going on.

I'd be more inclined to believe its a heap of bad luck though.

PS what did you think of Scott Deasy yesterday? :P

phog · 07-05-2012 02:37PM

GerM wrote: »

POC had a condition called Gilmore Groin which is more often seen in runners and his pubic bone became infected. This was after a failure to identify the issue initially and the situation ended up costing him about 9 months. TOL's ankle was bad luck as was his eye but the back injury dragged out and recurred forcing him out of multiple games. Leamy also had a shoulder reconstruction and has been dogged by injury for a bout 4 years now with major injury after major injury.

Too many injuries where there's ligament damage that are "freak" injuries to Munster players. Murray, POC, Ronan, Varley, Jones and Wallace this season alone. I know some teams do muscle analysis to identify weaknesses around joints and ensure the strength and flexibility is always at the absolute maximum and tailoring their conditioning work on the basis of the results.

These guys are insanely dedicated and regimented about their preparation but they can only prepare as they are instructed.

So do you honestly believe it's poor conditioning or is it just bad luck?

Benny Cake · 07-05-2012 02:38PM

irishbucsfan wrote: »

PS what did you think of Scott Deasy yesterday? :P

Hold on a sec! Since when are we accountable for what we say here? I didn't sign up for that...:D

In fairness, he played well alright.... Long may it last....

phog · 07-05-2012 02:40PM

Quint2010 wrote: »

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2012/0507/1224315689399.html

Interesting piece this morning that ROG and POC had a hand in the selecion of Penney. These guys certainly do have alot of power down south..

I see nothing wrong with the likes of ROG or POC meeting a coach before their appointment, the experience these guys have from, Club, provincial and international level is huge, why miss out on that when it's freely available.

phog · 07-05-2012 02:45PM

Hendo's wife tweeted this pic of some young fella getting his photo taken with Wally & Hendo. Any idea of year?

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Monty Burnz · 07-05-2012 03:55PM

phog wrote: »

Hendo's wife tweeted this pic of some young fella getting his photo taken with Wally & Hendo. Any idea of year?

I'm going to say 1897.

Quint2010 · 07-05-2012 04:10PM

Copyright Club '92 circa 2000..

.ak · 07-05-2012 05:06PM

They're all wearing union ties so I'd say 99 or 2000.

Amazotheamazing · 07-05-2012 06:42PM

phog wrote: »

Hendo's wife tweeted this pic of some young fella getting his photo taken with Wally & Hendo. Any idea of year?

My own odds of getting a pro career seem even more distant with that photo. Ah Hendo, legend.

TomsOnTheRoof · 07-05-2012 06:54PM

phog wrote: »

Hendo's wife tweeted this pic of some young fella getting his photo taken with Wally & Hendo. Any idea of year?

Wtf, Is that O' Driscoll on the right there?

GerM · 07-05-2012 07:15PM

phog wrote: »

So do you honestly believe it's poor conditioning or is it just bad luck?

As I said already, it could be a ridiculous case of coincidence and bad luck but there is definitely enough evidence to suggest a deeper review needs to be conducted. Given that Tom Comyns, one of the senior conditioning staff, was let go recently after 5 years on the grounds that he didn't have the required skills suggests that it's a notion that is pretty realistic.

thomond2006 · 07-05-2012 07:21PM

GerM wrote: »

As I said already, it could be a ridiculous case of coincidence and bad luck but there is definitely enough evidence to suggest a deeper review needs to be conducted. Given that Tom Comyns, one of the senior conditioning staff, was let go recently after 5 years on the grounds that he didn't have the required skills suggests that it's a notion that is pretty realistic.

They sack him after 5 years saying he doesn't have the required skills?

Wut?

GerM · 07-05-2012 07:26PM

thomond2006 wrote: »

They sack him after 5 years saying he doesn't have the required skills?

Wut?

Yup, as stated by his solicitor at the injunction hearing. Bryce Cavanagh, the Aussie bloke who replaced Paul Darbyshire told him his job would be advertised but he wouldn't be successful if he applied as did "not have the skill sets required".

phog · 07-05-2012 09:33PM

GerM wrote: »

Yup, as stated by his solicitor at the injunction hearing. Bryce Cavanagh, the Aussie bloke who replaced Paul Darbyshire told him his job would be advertised but he wouldn't be successful if he applied as did "not have the skill sets required".

I've no idea if that was said in court or not but if it was you do realise that it's one person's version of what is supposed to have been said and hasn't yet been challenged by counsel for Munster rugby or for Cavanagh of he is represented seperately.

totallegend · 07-05-2012 09:41PM

phog wrote: »

I've no idea if that was said in court or not but if it was you do realise that it's one person's version of what is supposed to have been said and hasn't yet been challenged by counsel for Munster rugby or for Cavanagh of he is represented seperately.

Well, he was made redundant and then told his position was to be readvertised. Hardly a ringing endorsement of the likelihood of being re-hired.
http://www.independent.ie/national-news/courts/munster-coach-gets-injunction-3098164.html

phog · 07-05-2012 09:52PM

totallegend wrote: »

Well, he was made redundant and then told his position was to be readvertised. Hardly a ringing endorsement of the likelihood of being re-hired.
http://www.independent.ie/national-news/courts/munster-coach-gets-injunction-3098164.html

True, but isn't that the nature of most staff/players on contracts to professional teams, how many have a job for life?

In that article is there any mention what is quoted in GerM post, I cant see it anyway?

totallegend · 07-05-2012 09:55PM

phog wrote: »

True, but isn't that the nature of most staff/players on contracts to professional teams, how many have a job for life?

In that article is there any mention what is quoted in GerM post, I cant see it anyway?

http://www.irishexaminer.com/archives/2012/0504/ireland/munster-coach-wins-injunction-to-prevent-dismissal-192730.html

GerM · 07-05-2012 09:59PM

phog wrote: »

I've no idea if that was said in court or not but if it was you do realise that it's one person's version of what is supposed to have been said and hasn't yet been challenged by counsel for Munster rugby or for Cavanagh of he is represented seperately.

A quote which forms part of the case for a judge to grant an injunction would be considered quite a good source of a truthful account I would have thought. I'm sure the Munster branch were represented at the hearing given they're the defendant.

durkadurka · 07-05-2012 10:01PM

No matter what, they clearly wanted rid of him.

phog · 07-05-2012 10:06PM

GerM wrote: »

A quote which forms part of the case for a judge to grant an injunction would be considered quite a good source of a truthful account I would have thought. I'm sure the Munster branch were represented at the hearing given they're the defendant.

I've no idea on how cases to get an injuction work and I'd agree that Munster rugby were probably represented but I seriously doubt that they had a defence case prepared or heard in that sitting of the court.

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