Munster Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread.

CatFromHue · 06-05-2012 01:35PM

Cpt_Blackbeard wrote: »

No it isn't, but it equates to roughly Rabo direct standard. Canterbury have had a massive squad turnover each year, so being able to remain consistent year on year is impressive. Even if you considered Canterbury's squad the best around, getting a group of different players to gel and win year on year is an impressive feat. It's exactly what Munster currently need.

I wasn't aware of the win records, but I made my statement based on the assumption that Anscombe's sacking was based on poor results.

I'm going to remain thoroughly optimistic about Penney, until the results force me to change my mind. We need something to be excited about. Until results indicate otherwise, Penney is the saviour who will bring the next crop of Munster talent back to the top of European rugby.

I'm not sure if it does to be honest. Peter Borlase and Save Tokula being two examples why it may not equate to the same as Rabo standard. I can't think of any other examples at the moment but it'll be interesting to see how Bent gets on at Leinster next season.

Don't get me wrong on Penney I'm optimistic too and look forward to who he puts in at backs coach but there are big differences between the Rabo and the ITM.

Also I'd imagine Auckland would have had a big turnover in players from year to year too.

Amazotheamazing · 06-05-2012 01:39PM

Cpt_Blackbeard wrote: »

No it isn't, but it equates to roughly Rabo direct standard. Canterbury have had a massive squad turnover each year, so being able to remain consistent year on year is impressive. Even if you considered Canterbury's squad the best around, getting a group of different players to gel and win year on year is an impressive feat. It's exactly what Munster currently need.

I wasn't aware of the win records, but I made my statement based on the assumption that Anscombe's sacking was based on poor results.

I'm going to remain thoroughly optimistic about Penney, until the results force me to change my mind. We need something to be excited about. Until results indicate otherwise, Penney is the saviour who will bring the next crop of Munster talent back to the top of European rugby.

It's fair enough to be positive but we've no real reason to judge Anscombe or Penney yet in the NH. We'll know a good bit more this time next year (hopefully). Don't let your positivity over Penney spill over towards negativity towards Anscombe.

Anyway, if Penney was any good, how come it's not his son ripping up the Super 15? (joking)

thomond2006 · 06-05-2012 02:29PM

Amazotheamazing wrote: »

Strange that POM is the young player of the year when he's actually been one of our key players and was captain during the RWC.

Deasy or Keatley next week?

His first "full" season really.

Assuming ROG is out, the pick to play 10 is absolutely massive. Ospreys will be difficult, they've improved immensely since making Tandy the coach.

CatFromHue · 06-05-2012 02:34PM

thomond2006 wrote: »

His first "full" season really.

Assuming ROG is out, the pick to play 10 is absolutely massive. Ospreys will be difficult, they've improved immensely since making Tandy the coach.

I assume Ospreys will be favourites. Is four losses for Munster out of the last 6 games away to the Ospreys? They're a good team and hard to beat at home. I think it's 7 win from 8 games against Irish opposition this season for them.

thomond2006 · 06-05-2012 05:01PM

Paul O'Connell and Damien Varley are considered doubtful for the RaboDirect PRO12 semi final clash with Ospreys after suffering injury in the game against Ulster last night (Sat).

O'Connell departed the scene in the 55th minute with a knee injury while Varley, having replaced Mikle Sherry in the 45th minute, sustained an ankle injury with just two minutes of play remaining.

Medical examination this morning showed Varley had suffered an ankle sprain but O'Connell will need to see a specialist later in the week to determine the exact nature of his injury. Both have been ruled out or Both are considered doubtful for Munster's semi final next Friday.

However news of Ronan O'Gara is that he's expected to resume training this week with a view to being in consideration for the Ospreys game as is Ian Keatley who missed the Ulster game after sustaining a knock in training last Thursday.

http://www.munsterrugby.ie/news/10465.php

What the hell does the part in bold mean? Jesus whoever writes these things needs to ****ing proofread.

thomond2006 · 06-05-2012 05:54PM

Hagz · 06-05-2012 05:58PM

They will now travel to Wales to play Ospreys next Friday evening, but their hopes could depend on O'Connell's injury not being as serious as initially feared, while hooker Damien Varley was also helped off before the end.

Does that mean that the injury isn't as bad as they feared, or they hope it's not as bad as they feared.

Amazotheamazing · 06-05-2012 06:10PM

Hagz wrote: »

They will now travel to Wales to play Ospreys next Friday evening, but their hopes could depend on O'Connell's injury not being as serious as initially feared, while hooker Damien Varley was also helped off before the end.

Does that mean that the injury isn't as bad as they feared, or they hope it's not as bad as they feared.

I assume it means they don't know yet. Incredible season for injuries.

thomond2006 · 06-05-2012 06:18PM

du Preez, Sherry, Botha, DOC, Ryan, POM, TOD, Butler;

with Henry, Kilcoyne, Archer, MOD, Holland on the bench

Quint2010 · 06-05-2012 06:20PM

Amazotheamazing wrote: »

I assume it means they don't know yet. Incredible season for injuries.

On that point-is that purely down to bad luck or could it be something to do with the way the players are being conditioned?

irishbucsfan · 06-05-2012 06:22PM

If POC is out I'd say MOD will start with Ryan at 6.

Amazotheamazing · 06-05-2012 06:25PM

thomond2006 wrote: »

du Preez, Sherry, Botha, DOC, Ryan, POM, TOD, Butler;

with Henry, Kilcoyne, Archer, MOD, Holland on the bench

Butler is still too light, start DOC and keep yesterday's backrow, imo.

thomond2006 · 06-05-2012 06:25PM

irishbucsfan wrote: »

If POC is out I'd say MOD will start with Ryan at 6.

yeah that would make sense, we are desperately short of experience in the 'engine room'.

Spudmonkey · 06-05-2012 06:25PM

Quint2010 wrote: »

On that point-is that purely down to bad luck or could it be something to do with the way the players are being conditioned?

My cousin, a former player and personal trainer reckons it could be something to do with their conditioning. Fla for example was picking up injuries not even playing.

Amazotheamazing · 06-05-2012 06:27PM

Quint2010 wrote: »

Amazotheamazing wrote: »

I assume it means they don't know yet. Incredible season for injuries.

On that point-is that purely down to bad luck or could it be something to do with the way the players are being conditioned?

Is there any way of knowing for sure, a lot of the injuries occurred during games, maybe it's how the injuries get rehabed that's the issue.

connachta · 06-05-2012 06:29PM

did ivan Dineen sign a new contract?

Cpt_Blackbeard · 06-05-2012 06:35PM

connachta wrote: »

did ivan Dineen sign a new contract?

It was never announced, but considering that he is currently getting some gametime, he is either playing to win a contract or he has already won one.

Amazotheamazing · 06-05-2012 06:53PM

Cpt_Blackbeard wrote: »

connachta wrote: »

did ivan Dineen sign a new contract?

It was never announced, but considering that he is currently getting some gametime, he is either playing to win a contract or he has already won one.

The rumour is he's signed one and Troy Smith is being let go, afaik. Harsh on Smith, another knee injury that didn't clear up...

thomond2006 · 06-05-2012 07:16PM

Amazotheamazing wrote: »

The rumour is he's signed one and Troy Smith is being let go, afaik. Harsh on Smith, another knee injury that didn't clear up...

Didn't Smith go for a second surgery? Mightn't be available until 2013 at that rate.

Tbh with the injury list they have, they're not gonna keep up too many injured players. It's tough on Smith mind.

Amazotheamazing · 06-05-2012 07:45PM

thomond2006 wrote: »

Amazotheamazing wrote: »

The rumour is he's signed one and Troy Smith is being let go, afaik. Harsh on Smith, another knee injury that didn't clear up...

Didn't Smith go for a second surgery? Mightn't be available until 2013 at that rate.

Tbh with the injury list they have, they're not gonna keep up too many injured players. It's tough on Smith mind.

Afaik he needed follow on surgery alright but he was supposed to be back mid season. It's harsh on him but ideally we'd loan him out to a division one side so he could get games, like Quinn Mcdonogh this year.

CIARAN_BOYLE · 06-05-2012 08:05PM

Spudmonkey wrote: »

My cousin, a former player and personal trainer reckons it could be something to do with their conditioning. Fla for example was picking up injuries not even playing.

I'd reckon something like that combined with guys being rushed back who shouldn't be and guys who should have retired hanging around.

GerM · 06-05-2012 08:25PM

The nature of injuries in Munster does raise eyebrows. There were similar queries of Arsenal's set up a year or two ago when they shipped soft tissue injury after injury. There are a lot of ligament and muscle injuries being shipped in Munster. You'd have to wonder if the preparation by medical staff and rehabilitation of players is at the required standard. The players who get injured have tended to struggle to come back and, once they suffer an injury, tend to suffer more injuries further down the line. If it was just this season, you'd think it's just a freak occurrence but this has been persisting for some time. POC, POM, Leamy, Flannery, TOL, Dowling, Jones and Hurley off the top of my head have all endured long term injuries in the last couple of years before this season. Perhaps it is just bad luck but it definitely needs to be reviewed.

CatFromHue · 06-05-2012 09:08PM

GerM wrote: »

POC, POM, Leamy, Flannery, TOL, Dowling, Jones and Hurley off the top of my head have all endured long term injuries in the last couple of years before this season. Perhaps it is just bad luck but it definitely needs to be reviewed.

POC's long term injury seemed from what I've read to be one of the first of its types so I'm not sure if he can be included on that list. (this is the hip virus thing he had).

Dowling and Jones were also freak injuries. I presume you're referring to Joneses long term knee and/or neck injury.

Were Leamy's knee injury and TOL's initial leg break not sustained on the field of play? Then TOL had that freak eye injury too. I don't know what the story was with his back.

I don't know about POM or Flannery though.

thomond2006 · 06-05-2012 09:19PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ffe4c-UNoM8

Rob Penney coaching tutorial.

phog · 06-05-2012 10:56PM

Amazotheamazing wrote: »

Deasy or Keatley next week?

Well Keatley seemed the preferred choice for last night until injury gave Deasey the game and maybe the advantage as he played well, maybe because he's had a couple of pressure games with the As recently. Bar one Deasy converted all his kicks at goal but strangely when Cusack came on the field he took over the kicking duties.

I think Munster need to decide on one and give them a stretch of game time and see will they improve.

I was looking at the Rabo Site and saw that Keatley is 2nd in the "Marksman" table and 3rd in the top points scorer. Also, Zebo is 3rd on the Try scorer table.

Amazotheamazing · 07-05-2012 12:48AM

phog wrote: »

Well Keatley seemed the preferred choice for last night until injury gave Deasey the game and maybe the advantage as he played well, maybe because he's had a couple of pressure games with the As recently. Bar one Deasy converted all his kicks at goal but strangely when Cusack came on the field he took over the kicking duties.

I think Munster need to decide on one and give them a stretch of game time and see will they improve.

I was looking at the Rabo Site and saw that Keatley is 2nd in the "Marksman" table and 3rd in the top points scorer. Also, Zebo is 3rd on the Try scorer table.

Deasy was stretching out his legs after 70mins, he probably didn't fancy the kicks in case he tweaked something. Also, it was Cusack's last chance to score in a Munster jersey, maybe deasy was just doing him a favour?

Amazotheamazing · 07-05-2012 01:00AM

GerM wrote: »

The nature of injuries in Munster does raise eyebrows. There were similar queries of Arsenal's set up a year or two ago when they shipped soft tissue injury after injury. There are a lot of ligament and muscle injuries being shipped in Munster. You'd have to wonder if the preparation by medical staff and rehabilitation of players is at the required standard. The players who get injured have tended to struggle to come back and, once they suffer an injury, tend to suffer more injuries further down the line. If it was just this season, you'd think it's just a freak occurrence but this has been persisting for some time. POC, POM, Leamy, Flannery, TOL, Dowling, Jones and Hurley off the top of my head have all endured long term injuries in the last couple of years before this season. Perhaps it is just bad luck but it definitely needs to be reviewed.

Darragh Hurley
Jerry Flannery
?
POC
Foley
Leamy
Ronan
Wallace
TOL
?
Dowling
Smith
B. Murphy
Howlett
Jones

There, virtually a full team of players who've gotten serious injuries in the last two or so seasons. Whether we're unlucky or it's just an ever more brutal sport is debatable, though.

Fireball07 · 07-05-2012 01:30AM

Amazotheamazing wrote: »

Darragh Hurley
Jerry Flannery
?
POC
Foley
Leamy
Ronan
Wallace
TOL
?
Dowling
Smith
B. Murphy
Howlett
Jones

There, virtually a full team of players who've gotten serious injuries in the last two or so seasons. Whether we're unlucky or it's just an ever more brutal sport is debatable, though.

Tbh we're just lucky ROG has stayed injury-free.

Monty Burnz · 07-05-2012 10:16AM

Fireball07 wrote: »

Tbh we're just lucky ROG has stayed injury-free.

Although if he had got a longish injury, we'd know a whole lot more about whether Keatley is the future.

Quint2010 · 07-05-2012 11:35AM

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2012/0507/1224315689399.html

Interesting piece this morning that ROG and POC had a hand in the selecion of Penney. These guys certainly do have alot of power down south..

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