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Munster Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread.

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  • #8402
    Amazotheamazing
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,048 ✭✭✭Amazotheamazing


    Tox56 wrote: »
    The dropoff from D'Arcy is far more extreme, and I would argue the depth in the backrow is superior to almost any other area.

    Maybe. I'd say there's a host of guys who we know aren't really up to it, like Jennings and then another few who might be up to it, like POM. Leamy is a decent option to have.


  • #8403
    Cpt_Blackbeard
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    .ak wrote: »
    Agreed. Even if our first choice starting and benching backrowers got injured, there's still a host of backrowers that would be slotted in there ahead of Leamy.

    Edit: By 'our' I mean Ireland.

    If Leamy can return fit and find some form, he'll be pushing all the way for the Irish squad. Even when he was "fit" this season, anytime I saw him he had a terrible limp. Its a big if, but a fit and firing Leamy would be a great asset.


  • #8404
    Amazotheamazing
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,048 ✭✭✭Amazotheamazing


    Cpt_Blackbeard wrote: »
    If Leamy can return fit and find some form, he'll be pushing all the way for the Irish squad. Even when he was "fit" this season, anytime I saw him he had a terrible limp. Its a big if, but a fit and firing Leamy would be a great asset.

    The thing is, when was Leamy last consistently fit? 2007?


  • #8405
    Amazotheamazing
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    We can now add Keatley to the injury list. Has there ever been a season like it?


  • #8406
    budhabob
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    Amazotheamazing wrote: »
    We can now add Keatley to the injury list. Has there ever been a season like it?

    I know for the last few seasons have been bad....but its getting ridiculous now. Are we doing something wrong with conditioning or something?


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  • #8407
    Alivia Early Tea
    Posts: 10,091 ✭✭✭✭ Alivia Early Tea


    budhabob wrote: »
    I know for the last few seasons have been bad....but its getting ridiculous now. Are we doing something wrong with conditioning or something?

    well does anyone have a list of the types of injures


  • #8408
    thomond2006
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    Amazotheamazing wrote: »
    We can now add Keatley to the injury list. Has there ever been a season like it?

    Jesus he or ROG better be back for next week, Deasy starting at 10 away to Ospreys or Leinster would be very worrying.

    *Needless to say I hope Deasy makes me look foolish today.


  • #8409
    Spudmonkey
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    thomond2006 wrote: »
    Amazotheamazing wrote: »
    We can now add Keatley to the injury list. Has there ever been a season like it?

    Jesus he or ROG better be back for next week, Deasy starting at 10 away to Ospreys or Leinster would be very worrying.

    *Needless to say I hope Deasy makes me look foolish today.

    Acquitted himself fairly well tonight. Had moments like Keatley attacking wise with much better kicking from the tee.


  • #8410
    Amazotheamazing
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    Deasy did fine but Murray helped him by being the main decision maker, imo.


  • #8411
    Taco Corp
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    Seems it awards night in Munster. POM is young player of the year. Donnacha Ryan is player of the year. Well deserved by both.

    https://twitter.com/#!/Munsterrugby


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  • #8412
    phog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,107 ✭✭✭✭phog


    Add POC as another casualty for this season, seeing him go over tonight makes me think we wont see him again this season. :mad:

    Munster Juniors beat Ulster Juniors in Kanturk today, they meet Connacht next week in Castleisland.


  • #8413
    Amazotheamazing
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    Surley wrote: »
    Seems it awards night in Munster. POM is young player of the year. Donnacha Ryan is player of the year. Well deserved by both.

    https://twitter.com/#!/Munsterrugby

    Strange that POM is the young player of the year when he's actually been one of our key players and was captain during the RWC.

    Deasy or Keatley next week?


  • #8414
    Outoftheloop
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    Amazotheamazing wrote: »
    I guess for a good few of these players this is just a nice end of season "honour" for them, nice jersey to have though.
    Could you please clarify?All of the lads put their bodies on the line!A few of them will not play for some time,due to injuries sustained in the match.There was no doubt at all about the Munster try's,however the first 2 for 20s,were to say the least,highly questionable! As regards the jersey,I do not think think they were given them.


  • #8415
    Amazotheamazing
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,048 ✭✭✭Amazotheamazing


    Outoftheloop wrote: »
    Could you please clarify?All of the lads put their bodies on the line!A few of them will not play for some time,due to injuries sustained in the match.There was no doubt at all about the Munster try's,however the first 2 for 20s,were to say the least,highly questionable! As regards the jersey,I do not think think they were given them.

    Don't know that there's much to clarify. A few of the guys with Munster today probably don't realistically expect to go professional, them getting picked today is recognition of how they've played in the AIL this season. I'm not knocking them, I admire the fact that they got to that level at all.

    I'd love to be proved wrong and see guys come through from the AIL but it's a rare enough occurrence. Since you were there, who stood out as future pro's from both teams?


  • #8416
    _ricochet_
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    I see Zebo and Trimble having a bit of banter on twitter over the "tackle" off the ball!


  • #8417
    Outoftheloop
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    Amazotheamazing wrote: »
    Don't know that there's much to clarify. A few of the guys with Munster today probably don't realistically expect to go professional, them getting picked today is recognition of how they've played in the AIL this season. I'm not knocking them, I admire the fact that they got to that level at all.

    I'd love to be proved wrong and see guys come through from the AIL but it's a rare enough occurrence. Since you were there, who stood out as future pro's from both teams?
    Frankly,no one,the 20s were playing to get on the plane,and did not play well,the Munster boys were put together the last min,some of them without any training session.All in all,it's not a game that you can make that call from.The Munster lads,once they got comfortable with each other,played better than the 20s.It was a day that lads on both sides were trying to prove themselves!Some to get on the plane and others to be given the opportunity of showing that they can play,depite, the fact that they have not had the benefit of the accedamy.


  • #8418
    irishbucsfan
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    No reason Peter Stringer can't play next week!


  • #8419
    thomond2006
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    irishbucsfan wrote: »
    No reason Peter Stringer can't play next week!

    Is Murray or TOL injured?


  • #8420
    irishbucsfan
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    thomond2006 wrote: »
    Is Murray or TOL injured?

    No, I'm just pointing out that there is no reason Stringer can't play!


  • #8421
    budhabob
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    Anyone attend the U20s v Munster Development game?


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  • #8422
    Amazotheamazing
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    Outoftheloop wrote: »
    Frankly,no one,the 20s were playing to get on the plane,and did not play well,the Munster boys were put together the last min,some of them without any training session.All in all,it's not a game that you can make that call from.The Munster lads,once they got comfortable with each other,played better than the 20s.It was a day that lads on both sides were trying to prove themselves!Some to get on the plane and others to be given the opportunity of showing that they can play,depite, the fact that they have not had the benefit of the accedamy.

    Cheers, hope it works out for them.


  • #8423
    PhatPiggins
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    irishbucsfan wrote: »
    No reason Peter Stringer can't play next week!

    He played really well for Newcastle in the past 4 games. Would love to see a proper backs coach come in next season and utlise Stringers distribution properly and work on Murray's decision making.


  • #8424
    Cpt_Blackbeard
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    I don't know if its been mentioned on here, but Quinlan made some interesting points about Penney before the game yesterday. Apparently Ulster had a look at him, but Hump didn't feel comfortable with such a strong personality involved in the setup.

    It gives a pretty negative view of the current Ulster setup and the appointment of Anscombe. It makes it look like Hump wants a coach who he can control and who will coach a team to play with Hump's ideals. Bad news for Ulster, but great news for Munster. We get a hugely rated coach with unrivaled ITM success, and Ulster get a coach who couldn't hack it at ITM level.

    There was also a large interview with Garret Fitz in yesterday's match programme and it looks like Wayne Smith had a role in assisting/recommending a coaching candidate to Munster. Even though Smith may not be coming to coach here, its great to see such a figure willingly helping us out in appointing our new man.

    Interestingly, Fitz also mentioned that depending on Leamy's prognosis, we will be looking for a backrow project player next year to replace Borlase. You'd have to think that Penney will know an uncapped player or two who can come in and fill the ball-carrying void left by Wallace and Leamy.

    Exciting times ahead.


  • #8425
    CIARAN_BOYLE
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    So is it definite that Borlase is on the way out?


  • #8426
    irishbucsfan
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    Ha! That story about Humphreys is definitely not true.


  • #8427
    CatFromHue
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    Cpt_Blackbeard wrote: »

    It gives a pretty negative view of the current Ulster setup and the appointment of Anscombe. It makes it look like Hump wants a coach who he can control and who will coach a team to play with Hump's ideals. Bad news for Ulster, but great news for Munster. We get a hugely rated coach with unrivaled ITM success, and Ulster get a coach who couldn't hack it at ITM level.

    The ITM Cup isn't the be all and end all to be honest. It only lasts about 3 or 4 months and could soon be going semi pro, that's if it isn't all ready for some players.

    Also it's wrong to say Anscombe couldn't hack it at ITM. From my understand Anscombe has been in charge of Auckland for the last three years and his record is P36 W22, Canterbury's is P36 W25 in regular season games. Obviously Canterbury have done better as they won the thing but it's a bit much to say Anscombe couldn't hack it.


  • #8428
    Cpt_Blackbeard
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    CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »
    So is it definite that Borlase is on the way out?

    He didn't explicitly say that Borlase will be leaving, but he did say that out NIE quota is full, but we do have the opportunity to sign a project player. All indications are that Borlase is on the way out and there are rumours that he will be headed west.

    I'd like Penney to have a say regarding Borlase though. He won two ITMs (afaik) with Borlase at TH, so he obviously rates him/knows how to get the best out of him. That said, a ball-carrying project backrow should be our primary concern. We have loads of promising backrows coming through though, so the project would have to be ready to slot in straight away.


  • #8429
    Amazotheamazing
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    irishbucsfan wrote: »
    Ha! That story about Humphreys is definitely not true.

    The story could well be true but Ulster may have over-looked him for different reasons. Ulster's team doesn't need a big rebuild whereas Munster's does.

    That being said, Humphreys isn't a guy I'd like to cross.


  • #8430
    irishbucsfan
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    Amazotheamazing wrote: »
    The story could well be true but Ulster may have over-looked him for different reasons. Ulster's team doesn't need a big rebuild whereas Munster's does.

    That being said, Humphreys isn't a guy I'd like to cross.

    When they created Humphs position they recreated the head coaching position and removed responsibilities. That is what limited the interest in it. When Ulster filled that position it was as much a job of finding someone who understood and was comfortable with working in that more limited position.

    Why would you bring in Penney, whose excellence lies in development of youth (Longwell and McLaughlin) and in organisational work (Humphreys). They really want someone who is a strong pure coach, although I have no idea how strong the guy they got was. Penney is far better suited to the long term job that needs to be done at Munster any way.


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  • #8431
    Cpt_Blackbeard
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    CatFromHue wrote: »
    The ITM Cup isn't the be all and end all to be honest. It only lasts about 3 or 4 months and could soon be going semi pro, that's if it isn't all ready for some players.

    Also it's wrong to say Anscombe couldn't hack it at ITM. From my understand Anscombe has been in charge of Auckland for the last three years and his record is P36 W22, Canterbury's is P36 W25 in regular season games. Obviously Canterbury have done better as they won the thing but it's a bit much to say Anscombe couldn't hack it.

    No it isn't, but it equates to roughly Rabo direct standard. Canterbury have had a massive squad turnover each year, so being able to remain consistent year on year is impressive. Even if you considered Canterbury's squad the best around, getting a group of different players to gel and win year on year is an impressive feat. It's exactly what Munster currently need.

    I wasn't aware of the win records, but I made my statement based on the assumption that Anscombe's sacking was based on poor results.

    I'm going to remain thoroughly optimistic about Penney, until the results force me to change my mind. We need something to be excited about. Until results indicate otherwise, Penney is the saviour who will bring the next crop of Munster talent back to the top of European rugby.


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