Munster Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread.

totallegend · 04-05-2012 12:34PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Contract Law will sort it out, don't think many of us are qualified to comment on it.

From a personal perspective, I can understand the wishes to change coaching staff, and that the new Head Coach should have authority to choose his own from candidates, but if there are contracts signed then they should be kept to. A mistake could've been made in not having certain provisos in the contracts given to staff regarding these eventualities.

While we have no idea if this is relevant to Comyn's situation, the Protection of Employees (fixed-term work) Act requires that

"If an employee whose employment started after 14 July 2003 has been employed on 2 or more continuous fixed-term contracts, the total duration of those contracts may not exceed 4 years.
After this, if the employer wishes to renew the employee’s contract, it must be an open-ended contract unless there are objective grounds justifying the renewal of the contract for a fixed term only."

Just for background info, all depends on the nature of Comyn's role.

Amazotheamazing · 04-05-2012 01:03PM

Anyhow, interesting to see Dineen come in at 13 for the weekend, I think he's usually a 12? He was ok in the B&I final. We badly need some centres to come through, hopefully he can make a case for himself.

jm08 · 04-05-2012 01:43PM

Rob Penney interview here.

http://www.eveningecho.ie/2012/05/04/exclusive-interview-with-rob-penney-conor-george/

Seems like he has a backs coach already lined up.

Monty Burnz · 04-05-2012 01:45PM

jm08 wrote: »

Rob Penney interview here.

http://www.eveningecho.ie/2012/05/04/exclusive-interview-with-rob-penney-conor-george/

Seems like he has a backs coach already lined up.

Either the Evening Echo's standards of writing are as low as ever, or Penney's oldest son will be facing a lengthy commute to whatever it is he does in New Zealand.

Penney will arrive in Munster in the middle to July with his wife and two youngest (15 & 17) children. The oldest (20) will remain in New Zealand and will base himself on the outskirts of Limerick.

touts · 04-05-2012 01:57PM

jm08 wrote: »

Rob Penney interview here.

http://www.eveningecho.ie/2012/05/04/exclusive-interview-with-rob-penney-conor-george/

Seems like he has a backs coach already lined up.

Looks like the focus is primarily on developing talent in house to replace the senior players as they depart and his experience with underage teams was a major element of why he was hired.

Lelantos · 04-05-2012 02:16PM

touts wrote: »

jm08 wrote: »

Rob Penney interview here.

http://www.eveningecho.ie/2012/05/04/exclusive-interview-with-rob-penney-conor-george/

Seems like he has a backs coach already lined up.

Looks like the focus is primarily on developing talent in house to replace the senior players as they depart and his experience with underage teams was a major element of why he was hired.

Actually, I believe you're spot on re the underage development of players. There has been a steady flow of people coming up the ranks, but not making that final step to the full team/squad, hopefully Penney will put this right.

Amazotheamazing · 04-05-2012 05:49PM

touts wrote: »

Looks like the focus is primarily on developing talent in house to replace the senior players as they depart and his experience with underage teams was a major element of why he was hired.

It's going to be an fascinating season, will be interesting to see if he promotes relatively unknown guys like Kilcoyne and Brian Hayes. I hope Butler has a massive preseason, we need him to be kicking down the door to get onto the team next season.

Amazotheamazing · 04-05-2012 11:14PM

Munster Development
4 May 2012, 8:31 pmBy The Editor
Munster Rugby have selected a Munster Development Team to play Irish U20's in Musgrave Park tomorrow (3pm).

The Irish U20’s are preparing for the U20’s World Cup in June and are after playing Munster Development on Saturday they take on a Leinster/Ulster selection at the end of May before they depart for South Africa.

Munster Development: Richie Mullane (Shannon); Paul O'Brien (Bruff), Finbar Aherne (UL Bohs), Corey Hircock (Garryowen), Gareth Quinn-McDonagh; Brian Haugh (Young Munster), Jonathan Holland (Cork Con); Alan Cotter (Young Munster), James Rael (Garryowen), John Ryan (Cork Con); Brian Hayes (Cork Con), Darren O’Shea (Dolphin); Dan Heffernan (Shannon), (Jamie Kind (Dolphin), Sean Rennison (UL Bohs). Replacements: Sean Henry – UL Bohs, Peter McCabe (UCC), Bryan Cagney (Cork Con), Dave O’Connell (UCC), Sean Glynn (UCC), Gerry Hurley (Cork Con), James McInerney (Garryowen), Darragh McNamara (UCC).

Amazotheamazing · 04-05-2012 11:17PM

I know this is being discussed in the Irish thread but from a Munster pov it's interesting to see who's coming through.

Rael and Haugh are still u20 afaik. Hayes looked really good last week for Munster A and Ryan has gotten some Pro12 time this season.

ormond lad · 04-05-2012 11:26PM

Amazotheamazing wrote: »

Munster Development
4 May 2012, 8:31 pmBy The Editor
Munster Rugby have selected a Munster Development Team to play Irish U20's in Musgrave Park tomorrow (3pm).

The Irish U20’s are preparing for the U20’s World Cup in June and are after playing Munster Development on Saturday they take on a Leinster/Ulster selection at the end of May before they depart for South Africa.

Munster Development: Richie Mullane (Shannon); Paul O'Brien (Bruff), Finbar Aherne (UL Bohs), Corey Hircock (Garryowen), Gareth Quinn-McDonagh; Brian Haugh (Young Munster), Jonathan Holland (Cork Con); Alan Cotter (Young Munster), James Rael (Garryowen), John Ryan (Cork Con); Brian Hayes (Cork Con), Darren O’Shea (Dolphin); Dan Heffernan (Shannon), (Jamie Kind (Dolphin), Sean Rennison (UL Bohs). Replacements: Sean Henry – UL Bohs, Peter McCabe (UCC), Bryan Cagney (Cork Con), Dave O’Connell (UCC), Sean Glynn (UCC), Gerry Hurley (Cork Con), James McInerney (Garryowen), Darragh McNamara (UCC).

I posted this squad in the 20s thread and il ask here as well, anyone know what the irish 20s team for tomorrow is?
Young enough team out for the development team with Haugh, Hircock, Dave O Connell and a few others all underage for u21s though obv all would have played a lot of AIL senior as well

profitius · 04-05-2012 11:33PM

Anybody know anything about the new players on the Munster development team? I saw Johnny Holland a few times and he looked good. Quinn-McDonagh had a good spell in England. He looks a decent playmaker although he is on the small side.

Amazotheamazing · 04-05-2012 11:36PM

ormond lad wrote: »

I posted this squad in the 20s thread and il ask here as well, anyone know what the irish 20s team for tomorrow is?
Young enough team out for the development team with Haugh, Hircock, Dave O Connell and a few others all underage for u21s though obv all would have played a lot of AIL senior as well

No idea, you'd think it wouldn't be beyond them to give out a teamsheet.

Forgot about Hircock, always surprised he's never featured for our senior team with out lack of centres.

Amazotheamazing · 04-05-2012 11:39PM

profitius wrote: »

Anybody know anything about the new players on the Munster development team? I saw Johnny Holland a few times and he looked good. Quinn-McDonagh had a good spell in England. He looks a decent playmaker although he is on the small side.

It's looks to be quite a different team than the other two development sides we've put out so you wouldn't know how highly rated any of them are.

ormond lad · 04-05-2012 11:47PM

profitius wrote: »

Anybody know anything about the new players on the Munster development team? I saw Johnny Holland a few times and he looked good. Quinn-McDonagh had a good spell in England. He looks a decent playmaker although he is on the small side.

Which new players?
There's quite a few older AIL players and then some young players like dan heffernan orig from clanwilliam, dave o connell-munst youths captain and irish youth in 2010/11, james mcinerny playing a lot of 2nds with garryowen and is a munster youth from kilrush orig(on youths 2 years ago)

Amazotheamazing · 04-05-2012 11:53PM

ormond lad wrote: »

Which new players?
There's quite a few older AIL players and then some young players like dan heffernan orig from clanwilliam, dave o connell-munst youths captain and irish youth in 2010/11, james mcinerny playing a lot of 2nds with garryowen and is a munster youth from kilrush orig(on youths 2 years ago)

I guess for a good few of these players this is just a nice end of season "honour" for them, nice jersey to have though.

CIARAN_BOYLE · 05-05-2012 02:07AM

http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/rugby/wallace-quits-and-leamy-may-join-him-192754.html

Leamy could be on the way out

05-05-2012 02:09AM

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/rugby/wallace-quits-and-leamy-may-join-him-192754.html

Leamy could be on the way out

ahhhh christ not another one

Amazotheamazing · 05-05-2012 02:19AM

Real shades of England in 2004 about this. If we don't get next season right we could be in big trouble, at least players are starting to come through now. The injury profile of the team over the last few years has beggared belief tbh.

OldRio · 05-05-2012 08:16AM

ESPN Classic at 4.30pm a documentary 'A Limerick Love Affair'
About rugby in Munster.

Amazotheamazing · 05-05-2012 12:39PM

Good overview of the issues facing Munster and Penney by Thornley today.
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2012/0505/1224315650186.html

Quint2010 · 05-05-2012 12:54PM

Amazotheamazing wrote: »

Good overview of the issues facing Munster and Penney by Thornley today.
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2012/0505/1224315650186.html

He keeps referring to "next Saturday"?...

Amazotheamazing · 05-05-2012 01:03PM

Quint2010 wrote: »

He keeps referring to "next Saturday"?...

Once Munster aren't in the final he finds it hard to care, the original typed sheet he handed in was soaked from tears.

Anyhow, it's going to be a massive challenge to get over these injuries and retirements but it's going to be exciting too. If we get it right we should be building a new top level team, if we don't we could enter a Scarlets-esque slump.

.ak · 05-05-2012 01:29PM

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/rugby/wallace-quits-and-leamy-may-join-him-192754.html

Leamy could be on the way out

Boggles the mind. Pity for him, flashes of brilliance at times, but why was he offered a 2 year central contract?

Cpt_Blackbeard · 05-05-2012 01:33PM

.ak wrote: »

Boggles the mind. Pity for him, flashes of brilliance at times, but why was he offered a 2 year central contract?

Read somewhere recently that it was a 2 year contract with the 1st year with the IRFU and the 2nd with Munster.

Amazotheamazing · 05-05-2012 02:26PM

.ak wrote: »

Boggles the mind. Pity for him, flashes of brilliance at times, but why was he offered a 2 year central contract?

Because at his best he's still a damn good player and you can't always predict how injuries will play out.

Tox56 · 05-05-2012 02:31PM

Amazotheamazing wrote: »

.ak wrote: »

Boggles the mind. Pity for him, flashes of brilliance at times, but why was he offered a 2 year central contract?

Because at his best he's still a damn good player and you can't always predict how injuries will play out.

Yes but that shouldn't automatically equate to a central contract. You can say the same of D'Arcy and he shouldn't have been given a central contract.

Amazotheamazing · 05-05-2012 02:35PM

Tox56 wrote: »

Yes but that shouldn't automatically equate to a central contract. You can say the same of D'Arcy and he shouldn't have been given a central contract.

I think it depends on the number of contracts given out out per position, tbh. He wouldn't be ahead of the three six nations starters for them but after that there is a drop off in quality.

Tox56 · 05-05-2012 02:40PM

Amazotheamazing wrote: »

Tox56 wrote: »

Yes but that shouldn't automatically equate to a central contract. You can say the same of D'Arcy and he shouldn't have been given a central contract.

I think it depends on the number of contracts given out out per position, tbh. He wouldn't be ahead of the three six nations starters for them but after that there is a drop off in quality.

The dropoff from D'Arcy is far more extreme, and I would argue the depth in the backrow is superior to almost any other area.

ray jay · 05-05-2012 02:43PM

Tox56 wrote: »

Yes but that shouldn't automatically equate to a central contract. You can say the same of D'Arcy and he shouldn't have been given a central contract.

The difference is that D'Arcy is currently a first choice player, whereas Leamy wouldn't necessarily make the bench even if fully fit.

.ak · 05-05-2012 02:47PM

Agreed. Even if our first choice starting and benching backrowers got injured, there's still a host of backrowers that would be slotted in there ahead of Leamy.

Edit: By 'our' I mean Ireland.

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