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Munster Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread.

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  • #8312
    irishbucsfan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,978 ✭✭✭✭irishbucsfan


    Amazotheamazing wrote: »
    Has it ever happened in a game so far?

    It'll be interesting to see if Hanrahan can follow Jackson's lead and force his way into the team.

    Against Cardiff Madigan came on but didn't play 12 AFAIK. Would have been a good chance. They are rarely on the field together.


  • #8313
    Amazotheamazing
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,048 ✭✭✭Amazotheamazing


    CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »
    Madigan did play 13 in the HEC QF for a little over 10 minutes

    Hardly the same though.

    Somewhere down the line Madigan will have to win Sexton's place or leave Leinster, you'd think the 10/12 thing would be at least tried.


  • #8314
    ormond lad
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,632 ✭✭✭ormond lad


    IRUPA just tweeted John Hayes will be inducted into the Hall of Fame at the awards ceremony next week


  • #8315
    Podge_irl
    Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 30,096 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Amazotheamazing wrote: »
    Oddly enough, O'Gara used to be such a good passer he was quite good at bringing players in, anyhow, strange Horgan, who would know O'Gara well, would pick him out as a future coach.

    He's still a good passer. But he is passing a lot further behind the gainline and he appears (to me anyway) to take a much longer wind up to his pass now.

    He used to be excellent at long, quick passes to players near the gainline.


  • #8316
    theKramer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 625 ✭✭✭theKramer


    Interesting enough article in d'paper with Dave O'Callaghan.


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  • #8317
    PhatPiggins
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,881 ✭✭✭PhatPiggins


    theKramer wrote: »
    Interesting enough article in d'paper with Dave O'Callaghan.

    I would have said "Injuries and retirments at the Core of O'Callagahan's rise through the ranks" mightn't not sell to many newspapers though !!


  • #8318
    Junior
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,266 ✭✭✭Junior


    Tony leen just tweeted Wally is announce his retirement at the end of the season ?


  • #8319
    .ak
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,308 ✭✭✭✭.ak


    Junior wrote: »
    Tony leen just tweeted Wally is announce his retirement at the end of the season ?

    Disappointing if true. That means it really was a career ending injury in essence, when the man was playing some of the best rugby of his career.


  • #8320
    Fishooks12
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,318 ✭✭✭Fishooks12


    Junior wrote: »
    Tony leen just tweeted Wally is announce his retirement at the end of the season ?

    Disappointing but not surprising, hasn't looked right since he came back

    Phenomenal player both for club and country down through the years

    His style of ball carrying in his prime was a sight to behold, just pure strength


  • #8321
    durkadurka
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,207 ✭✭✭durkadurka


    ormond lad wrote: »
    IRUPA just tweeted John Hayes will be inducted into the Hall of Fame at the awards ceremony next week

    He'll be mortified


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  • #8322
    Fishooks12
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,318 ✭✭✭Fishooks12


    durkadurka wrote: »
    He'll be mortified

    Wouldn't be surprised if he was feeding cattle during the ceremony

    Love the story about the bull sitting in the tractor and seeing the phone ring about the Lions call up and thinking about not answering


  • #8323
    _ricochet_
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 112 ✭✭_ricochet_


    Wallace has retired. Doing the rounds on twitter.

    Edit: Just spotted it posted above.


  • #8324
    ormond lad
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,632 ✭✭✭ormond lad


    Declan Cusack is gone at the end of the season
    http://www.limerickleader.ie/sport/r...ster-1-3800527


  • #8325
    Amazotheamazing
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,048 ✭✭✭Amazotheamazing


    Genuinely saddened about Wallace, one of the greats.


  • #8326
    Monty Burnz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,455 ✭✭✭✭Monty Burnz


    Amazotheamazing wrote: »
    Genuinely saddened about Wallace, one of the greats.
    I agree, but he's had a great career and although it's a pity he missed the WC, I'd hope he has few regrets.


  • #8327
    thomond2006
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,433 ✭✭✭✭thomond2006


    ormond lad wrote: »
    Declan Cusack is gone at the end of the season
    http://www.limerickleader.ie/sport/r...ster-1-3800527

    Best of luck to him, unfortunately injury curtailed him to few appearances.
    It's definitely in his best interests to move on.

    Time for JJ to step up.


  • #8328
    Amazotheamazing
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,048 ✭✭✭Amazotheamazing


    thomond2006 wrote: »
    Best of luck to him, unfortunately injury curtailed him to few appearances.
    It's definitely in his best interests to move on.

    Time for JJ to step up.

    I think he could end up following the Steenson route into the AP, a few seasons in Division one first etc.


  • #8329
    Monty Burnz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,455 ✭✭✭✭Monty Burnz


    Amazotheamazing wrote: »
    I think he could end up following the Steenson route into the AP, a few seasons in Division one first etc.

    Surely Leinster are due to produce another brilliant out-half any day now that we could nick? If it weren't for a very unlucky injury, they'd have 2 very talented young guys lining up behind Sexton already...


  • #8330
    CatFromHue
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 18,368 Mod ✭✭✭✭CatFromHue


    irishbucsfan wrote: »
    Why is it a bad situation?

    I think it's a bad situation in that we can't promote from with in our own country. I'm genuinely puzzled as to why there aren't more Irish coaches knocking about.

    What is known is that we do take a chance on foreign coaches sooner than we would on our own guys. I'm talking about Ireland teams in general and not just Munster here. Jono Gibbes and Jason Holland were appointed to positions with little to no experience. Mark Anscombe and Penny were appointed from the New Zealand ITM teams. The ITM while being a good standard is still a level or two below HEC/Rabo level (Borlase, Tokula, for example). The season is a hell of a lot shorter in that they only play 10 to 13 regular season games and only runs for three to four months.


  • #8331
    touts
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,706 ✭✭✭touts


    Is there a summary anywhere of players out and players in so far for next season? So far it seems to be very heavily weighted towards the players out and unlike Soccer most of the business is done before the summer break. Any injuries next year and we'll be left scraping around the bargain basement of the Queensland Reds again to field a team.


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  • #8332
    Amazotheamazing
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,048 ✭✭✭Amazotheamazing


    touts wrote: »
    Is there a summary anywhere of players out and players in so far for next season? So far it seems to be very heavily weighted towards the players out and unlike Soccer most of the business is done before the summer break. Any injuries next year and we'll be left scraping around the bargain basement of the Queensland Reds again to field a team.

    Who can think of next season at a time like this? If anyone needs me I'll be gently sobbing while watching the highlights reel over and over again on youtube.


  • #8333
    ormond lad
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,632 ✭✭✭ormond lad


    touts wrote: »
    Is there a summary anywhere of players out and players in so far for next season? So far it seems to be very heavily weighted towards the players out and unlike Soccer most of the business is done before the summer break. Any injuries next year and we'll be left scraping around the bargain basement of the Queensland Reds again to field a team.
    Have a look at this thread on m'fans. fairly good as to ins/outs
    We have the biggest squad in the pro 12 but in some positions we are a bit light(centre, backrow)


  • #8334
    thomond2006
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,433 ✭✭✭✭thomond2006


    http://rugby-transfers.blogspot.com/2011/09/munster-2012-13.html

    Details of Munster's transfers so far.


  • #8335
    Amazotheamazing
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,048 ✭✭✭Amazotheamazing


    Really high praise for Penney on newstalk. I'm trying to look forward, David Wallace probably wants us to stay positive.

    http://www.newstalk.ie/2012/sport/you’ve-picked-up-a-really-good-coach”-new-zealand-commentator-nigel-yalden-on-munster-new-coach-rob-penney/


  • #8336
    Monty Burnz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,455 ✭✭✭✭Monty Burnz


    This bit of this article about Penney jumped out at me:
    Penney won a Super 12 title as assistant coach with the Crusaders before taking over feeder province Canterbury in 2006 and last season he led the province to their fourth ITM Cup title in succession, an achievement Adams equates to winning four Pro12 titles in a row.

    "Yeah, I would say ITM is probably the equivalent of the Pro12, maybe a bit higher in terms of skill levels and Super Rugby is the equivalent of the Heineken Cup," he said.

    All of the teams in the Pro12 play in this year's Heineken Cup, no? And three of the four semi-finalists and both the finalists are from the Pro12.

    Odd comment. And it's not like it's the same the same teams playing in the ITM as play in the Super 15 either.


  • #8337
    Amazotheamazing
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,048 ✭✭✭Amazotheamazing


    Monty Burnz wrote: »
    This bit of this article about Penney jumped out at me:



    All of the teams in the Pro12 play in this year's Heineken Cup, no? And three of the four semi-finalists and both the finalists are from the Pro12.

    Odd comment. And it's not like it's the same the same teams playing in the ITM as play in the Super 15 either.

    That's not from Penney, it's from a Adams, who works with the IRFU. Strange comment but he's better placed than most to make it.


  • #8338
    Monty Burnz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,455 ✭✭✭✭Monty Burnz


    Amazotheamazing wrote: »
    That's not from Penney, it's from a Adams, who works with the IRFU. Strange comment but he's better placed than most to make it.
    Yeah, I knew it was Adams but as you say, he probably knows what he's talking about. Perhaps he's referring to the lower intensity in the Pro12?


  • #8339
    Amazotheamazing
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,048 ✭✭✭Amazotheamazing


    Monty Burnz wrote: »
    Yeah, I knew it was Adams but as you say, he probably knows what he's talking about. Perhaps he's referring to the lower intensity in the Pro12?

    We can dress it up however we like, it's not really a great league. It might have great teams in it but it often serves up dross.

    It's hard to pinpoint why it's doing better in Europe than the AP and Top14.


  • #8340
    GerM
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,592 ✭✭✭GerM


    Skill levels, on average, are definitely higher in the ITM Cup but there's no way there's a higher intensity. If people consider the S15 to be lacking in intensity on some levels, the ITM Cup is a significant step down again. I would think a solid Pro12 side would hold their own against a solid ITM Cup side.


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  • #8341
    Amazotheamazing
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,048 ✭✭✭Amazotheamazing


    GerM wrote: »
    Skill levels, on average, are definitely higher in the ITM Cup but there's no way there's a higher intensity. If people consider the S15 to be lacking in intensity on some levels, the ITM Cup is a significant step down again. I would think a solid Pro12 side would hold their own against a solid ITM Cup side.

    The skill levels thing worries me though, it's quite possible Penney will never have worked with players with such incomplete skills with so much expected of them. That's not just a Munster thing, even players making it to Irish level don't have complete skill sets.


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