Art

Mardy Bum · 02-05-2012 10:30PM

Superbus wrote: »

There's such a thing as an unquestionably bad movie, an unquestionably bad piece of music, an unquestionably bad book (:pac:) - I don't know why art is always put on an intellectual pedestal whereupon a piece of art can't just be dreadful.

I think some people get the definition of art mixed up and think anything with a pencil, colours and paper or in this case a sheep in a box is "art". The definition of art is the expression or application of human creative skill and imagination. Films, books and music can all be considered art if they fit the definition ascribed to art.

Art is not something which remains static. For instance something like Hamlet is unrecognizable when compared with Endgame by Beckett. Both extraordinary pieces of art in two very different periods of time. You cannot expect painters to still be producing the same renaissance style work which was produced hundreds of years ago as it has to connect with modern life and life is all about flux.

Yeah Yeah Yeah · 02-05-2012 10:30PM

This is REAL art, not that pretentious *****.

Links234 · 02-05-2012 10:36PM

Superbus wrote: »

There's such a thing as an unquestionably bad movie,

that's one of the greatest masterpieces of modern cinema, what the ruttin' hell is wrong with you? :eek:

Chorcai · 02-05-2012 10:47PM

My name is URL wrote: »

A sheep in a glass box is still better than contemporary performance arts like this shite -

May be NSFW

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9lmvX00TLY

All very Martha Rosler
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zSA9Rm2PZA

Semiotics of the Kitchen - 1975

Palytoxin · 02-05-2012 10:55PM

I'd appreciate it if ye would critique my contemporary art, and try to guess the name

http://imgur.com/IGeIQ

klose · 02-05-2012 11:04PM

Art history was hands down my favourite subject in school, loved it. The diversity and changes over the centuries are amazing and will always stand the test of time.
I hope this bollocks contempory stuff is quickly moved on from and dosent clog the history books.

girl2 · 02-05-2012 11:18PM

I know nothing about art. And on that basis, I will give my total unqualified opinion.

I think the whole nonsense of splatters of paint on a canvas is the biggest load of bollox I ever seen. I could do that myself....but I couldnt justify calling myself an artist and taking away from those true artists who are genuinely gifted.

My name is URL · 02-05-2012 11:22PM

Palytoxin wrote: »

I'd appreciate it if ye would critique my contemporary art, and try to guess the name
http://imgur.com/IGeIQ

Is it, like a representation of how society has become a satanic and moldy loaf of bread? You can really feel the anguish of the artist in the repeated curved lines writhing inside the loaf itself. It's like he sees no real direction in which we can go. Doomed to become trapped within ourselves before finally we explode and see our own self hatred decimate all that surrounds us.

I think it's called floffybobkins

Guill · 02-05-2012 11:24PM

FloatingVoter wrote: »

Look.. art...

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no disputing that.

Dogs? Playing poker????

Superbus · 02-05-2012 11:24PM

Links234 wrote: »

Superbus wrote: »

There's such a thing as an unquestionably bad movie,

that's one of the greatest masterpieces of modern cinema, what the ruttin' hell is wrong with you? :eek:

I agree, but is there a similar cult following for 'so bad it's good' art (taking art to be what one would find in an art museum)?

Palytoxin · 02-05-2012 11:28PM

My name is URL wrote: »

Is it, like a representation of how society has become a satanic and moldy loaf of bread? You can really feel the anguish of the artist in the repeated curved lines writhing inside the loaf itself. It's like he sees no real direction in which we can go. Doomed to become trapped within ourselves before finally we explode and see our own self hatred decimate all that surrounds us.

I think it's called floffybobkins

That was the most beautiful thing I've ever read, I really feel I can now take my career to the next level, exhibit my work, maybe even open my own gallery some day, it will be renamed "floffybobkins" in your honour kind sir

(Its actually a pile of steaming dog shíte though:pac:)

saa · 02-05-2012 11:28PM

This is a bit like putting up a link to Mozart and saying this is music and a link to Justin Beiber and saying this is not music, the art industry is fúcked up so to work in the industry you end up with a lot of work that is over theorised and panders to elitist audiences, the "good art" posted here is amateur or traditional and I don't see that as a bad thing but it is kind of sad because a lot of imo good art and artist's careers die out within a few years of leaving college because they dont have a bunch of hipster friends or a gallery to sell their work abroad, and then there is the college system I think when I got to year 4 and was pushed to make industry standard work is when I started being told I can't do that to most things, constantly being pushed to make work that is not true to my practice and to think about my audience.. what audience. The ones who come for the free wine or the ones who want something nice for their living rooms.

Palytoxin · 02-05-2012 11:30PM

That art that your man does on tg4 is better than most of the modern art I've seen, you know yer man that tells the clouds to sit down:)

El Guapo! · 02-05-2012 11:51PM

Domo230 wrote: »

In defence of the art, it makes a statement that only is really understood by those who have extensively studied art (not saying I have) and so can come across as silly to those who have not.

An example of this is how I appreciate fine level design in video games as I have designed some myself and I do notice how certain parts are making statements about games. Most people would never notice any of this stuff but I do because I am knowledgable in that area.

I imagine art is quite similar.

So if an "artist" pisses on a banana and puts it in an envelope, we just don't understand it? And we're the crazy ones?

St.Spodo · 03-05-2012 12:27AM

My name is URL wrote: »

A sheep in a glass box is still better than contemporary performance arts like this shite -

May be NSFW

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9lmvX00TLY

Honest to jaysus, I actually don't know what was going on in that video. Bizarre people.

Logical Fallacy · 03-05-2012 12:35AM

Art
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Art
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marty1985 · 03-05-2012 12:37AM

It used to be art for God's sake. Then it was art for man's sake. The it was art for art's sake. And now there's no art for God's sake!

rainbowtrout · 03-05-2012 12:51AM

Domo230 wrote: »

Potentially yes.

If they have a reason behind it and want to make a statement by doing so then why not?

I mean this is art because the person who created it had a statement about it and had the experience and knowledge to create that statement (hence it's value).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Malevich.black-square.jpg

If any of us were to create the same thing then it wouldn't be worth the canvas it was painted on.

I can't say I agree. For me art is about having talent and ability - can be in painting, design, sculpture, etc but also some creativity and originality.

There are loads of people out there who can reproduce famous paintings so clearly have ability but perhaps lack creativity.

I like plenty of modern art, but I have a general rule of thumb. If it resembles something that junior infants are doing in schools around the country, then it's not art for me. It just seems like the artist ran out of ideas and thought, I know I'll just draw a square and tell everyone it's about man's struggle to adapt to the modern world, and some idiot in a gallery will lap it up and buy it for an over inflated price.

whatdoicare · 03-05-2012 12:54AM

Domo230 wrote: »

Potentially yes.

If they have a reason behind it and want to make a statement by doing so then why not?

I mean this is art because the person who created it had a statement about it and had the experience and knowledge to create that statement (hence it's value).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Malevich.black-square.jpg

If any of us were to create the same thing then it wouldn't be worth the canvas it was painted on.

That's a black square - basically what you said there is that it's not what you create but who you are and who you know who'll back you up on yr bs.

Deus Ex Machina · 03-05-2012 12:55AM

i. Run a hot bath, complete with scented bubble bath, and light some candles.

ii. Pour a snifter of Courvoisier and slip beneath the bubbles, taking in the scent as the cognac breathes.

iii. Sip the cognac and slip deeper into the warmth so that the water is up to your shoulders.

iv. Once the drink is gone you can sink lower into the water and take in the scent of the bath once more.

v. Finish the bath with a cold shower and dry yourself thoroughly with a fluffy towel.

vi. Place hot water bottle at the end of your bed and allow the heat to radiate throughout.

vii. Look out bedroom window for a few minutes, watching the rain spatter against the glass and on the road outside.

viii. Slip into bed and enjoy the warmth for a moment.

ix. Select your book and lie back enjoying it as sleep slowly approaches.

x. As your eyes get heavy turn off the lights and recline fully, listening to the rain on the window.

xi. Sleep.

You're welcome.

girl2 · 03-05-2012 01:00AM

Deus Ex Machina wrote: »

i. Run a hot bath, complete with scented bubble bath, and light some candles.

ii. Pour a snifter of Courvoisier and slip beneath the bubbles, taking in the scent as the cognac breathes.

iii. Sip the cognac and slip deeper into the warmth so that the water is up to your shoulders.

iv. Once the drink is gone you can sink lower into the water and take in the scent of the bath once more.

v. Finish the bath with a cold shower and dry yourself thoroughly with a fluffy towel.

vi. Place hot water bottle at the end of your bed and allow the heat to radiate throughout.

vii. Look out bedroom window for a few minutes, watching the rain spatter against the glass and on the road outside.

viii. Slip into bed and enjoy the warmth for a moment.

ix. Select your book and lie back enjoying it as sleep slowly approaches.

x. As your eyes get heavy turn off the lights and recline fully, listening to the rain on the window.

xi. Sleep.

You're welcome.

Did you mean to create a new thread for this?

Sounds lush btw.

Snowie · 03-05-2012 01:03AM

Logical Fallacy wrote: »

Art
Not Art
Art
Not Art
Art
Not Art
Art
Not Art

so what merits art in those pictures? also that typography was awful!

Deus Ex Machina · 03-05-2012 01:06AM

girl2 wrote: »

Did you mean to create a new thread for this?

No, it's art.

whatdoicare · 03-05-2012 01:07AM

Domo230 wrote: »

No what I said was that they can do so because they have the knowledge and experience about art to be able to make a statement from such a simplistic piece of art.

We can't
Arts funny that way.

What do you mean "We"? Am I somehow not qualified to judge a piece of work now?
It's a black square - no amount of experience or knowledge makes it anything else.
Do you know what makes a great piece - knowledge of perspective, shadow, drawing from life, a talent for a play on colour work, an indepth understanding about line weight, how to create the illusion of emotion, how to plan the placing of characters or objects to draw the eye around a piece, to create a story - to make the viewer follow a path around the piece and much much more.

If a person has any understanding or knowledge of even a fraction of these fundamentals of art and creation they would know that a black square takes neither knowledge nor experience - it takes sales tactics and knowing people with money who see you as something that will make them money.

endacl · 03-05-2012 01:07AM

That Black Square, is loike, sooo passe, so 1915.

Now, if you painted a big black square on the floor, got a cow to take a dump in the centre, dead centre mind, and rolled around in it wearing a wetsuit and a dickie bow, on your dickie, then that would be loike totally loike ort. And all the more orty because plebs wouldn't get it...

donegal_road · 03-05-2012 01:10AM

am I allowed to post one of my own?

my art

rainbowtrout · 03-05-2012 01:11AM

Deus Ex Machina wrote: »

No, it's art.

Are you going to put your bath of now cold water, along with an empty glass and a soggy towel thrown on the ground on display and say it's the complement to Tracy Emin's bed?

endacl · 03-05-2012 01:16AM

donegal_road wrote: »

am I allowed to post one of my own?

my art

Now, that I can like...;-)

marty1985 · 03-05-2012 01:21AM

donegal_road wrote: »

am I allowed to post one of my own?

my art

That's quite nice, I could live with that.

Personally, I hate most of the abstract rubbish that passes for art these days, but that's just me. However, for all the stick he got, I have seen a couple Kevin Sharkey paintings that I could stare at for ages. There's something therapeutic in some abstract work, even if it's just colours "thrown" at a canvas, even if I can't understand it or attempt to explain it.

whatdoicare · 03-05-2012 01:21AM

Domo230 wrote: »

And when you have those skills you can choose not to use them to make just as effective a statement. That's why we can't do the same because we lack those skills.

I could do a black square. However my black square would not be art as I do not have the knowledge and experience to make a statement with my art - it's just simple because I am a crap artist.

Oh there you go with that "We" word again. I, as it happens, don't lack those skills.
Oh! Wait! What? Someone with artistic skill, knowledge and experience calling BS on this crapola - that's insane! Who would have thought it?!:rolleyes:

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