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Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 11/12 (End of March 2012 onwards)

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,942 ✭✭✭missingtime


    Bit o' gossip:
    Liverpool are preparing a summer move for AZ Alkmaar's 24-year-old Sweden midfielder Rasmus Elm, after reportedly sending their top scout to watch him in action for the Dutch side.

    http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/transfer-news/Liverpool-scouting-AZ-Alkmaar-s-Rasmus-Elm-article894939.html

    http://soccernet.espn.go.com/player/_/id/83075/rasmus-elm?cc=5739

    Mr Kess, I'll expect your report on my desk by eop today.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,318 ✭✭✭The Chessplayer


    Kess73 wrote: »
    Whatever about Aquilani as he is a big step up on the likes of Adam, Henderson etc in CM, but Cole was bloody awful for us and he has not been that impressive in the French league either despite some of the London media trying to big him up.

    Cole brought nothing of worth to the club when he moved to LFC almost two years ago, and he certainly brings nothing of worth now. Just a big earner who is just as ineffective as the worst of our underperformers this season. No point adding another waste of a squad number to the ranks if there is any chance of off loading him on a club dumb enough to want him.

    Maybe so, but Gerrard will be in the sickbay for half of the season so having Cole, Aquilani and Shelvey as backup will be good. He was awful for us, but the team was all over the shop at the time as well. I obviously don't follow the French league but surely he hasn't been quite as terrible as Adam, Downing, Henderson, Carroll etc.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,942 ✭✭✭missingtime


    mormank wrote: »
    This attitude of entitlement probably cost us our best manager in the last 20 years.

    This point really hits the nail on the head for me. People are too quick to jump on failure or peoples mistakes instead of trying to find a long term solution.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,636 ✭✭✭✭LuckyLloyd


    eldwaro wrote: »
    and on another note...

    is anyone else actually a little excited to be playing europa league again?

    Yes! 2000 / 1 is probably my favourite season as a Liverpool fan. The first leg away in Roma will live long in my memory.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,952 ✭✭✭Morzadec


    mormank wrote: »
    Is it gonna be the case that if he goes and whoever replaces him doesn't get 4th that he then gets sacked and so on and so forth??

    Good post and I agree with what you say for the most part, but just on the above point - it's not Kenny's failure to get fourth that has some fans calling for his head, and others (like me) who are seriously questioning his position.

    It's the lack of even a challenge. I knew that it was likely we would not get 4th this year, and I wasn't necessarily going to see it as black and white as 'no 4th = failure'. It's the fact we are SO far behind, especially in a year where some of the expected shoe-ins for 4th have struggled, and that the challenge ended in February, that is so disappointing, and, let's face it, unacceptable.

    I'm of the generation you talk of - those who have never seen a League won - and I agree that we shouldn't be expectant just because of our history. I was against Rafa's sacking. When we were hovering 4 or 5 point behind the CL places I felt that should we fail (and the inevitable criticisms come in seeing as 4th was the target), Kenny should get another season, because there was so many matches where the margins were incredibly fine and it looked like we were playing well and making progress overall.

    It's the margin of the deficit to the top of the table that is hard to accept, even for the less-spoiled, more realistic Liverpool supporter. We have the same amount of points as Fulham. It is not spoiled to suggest that we should be at least 10 to 15 points clear of mid-table sides at this stage of the season given our resources and the quality of the playing squad.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,560 ✭✭✭✭Kess73


    Maybe so, but Gerrard will be in the sickbay for half of the season so having Cole, Aquilani and Shelvey as backup will be good. He was awful for us, but the team was all over the shop at the time as well. I obviously don't follow the French league but surely he hasn't been quite as terrible as Adam, Downing, Henderson, Carroll etc.

    You don't have to follow the French league to have an idea how Cole would be for us. You have how he was for us as an indicator of how bad he was.

    He is slow, constantly lacking fitness, lacking a footballing brain, and lacks heart. He has had some good moments in France, but then again people could find the same from Adam, Downing etc etc this season.

    At best I would say that Cole in 2012 is at the level of the players you named, possibly a level below them, and given that he will turn 31 this year he is not going to improve. For £90k+ a week I would want a proper player, not a total has been like Cole who is not any better than our current underperformers. Imho of course.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,117 ✭✭✭✭Leiva


    Kess73 wrote: »
    Enjoyed that read.


    It this post is what you come up with when randomly pushing keys, then I suggest you pop on a blindfold and attack the keyboard with a vengence.

    lol I was about to say the exact same thing


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,655 ✭✭✭El Inho


    That was indeed a good read on the last page, and not incessant ranting at any level.

    I think the nail was hit firmly on the head when it must be insisted upon that we be realistic. We were a club in decline with the former owners, and the first thing that had to happen was stopping the rot. This occurred in a season which saw us qualify for no European football.

    If we view LFC from the outside for once we then see a club that has lost all right to tournaments or trophies on merit. Well put earlier was stating we are no long a dominant force, and must realise this.

    Unfortunately for us, while we were in decline and stopping the rot, Man City, Spurs and Newcastle have enjoyed huge improvements. At the very best, we could someway align ourselves with Spurs now, if only for their poor end to the season.

    Being realistic has hit me quite hard lately when reflecting on this season. LFC were a team gone 6 years with no honours, and falling from champions league, to europa, to nothing at all. While many call for Kenny's head, it simply does not make sense to cull a manager who has won one trophy, albeit the Carling Cup (remember we had to best some of the best to get their), lead us to the final of the FA Cup, a cup than any club would be proud to be in the final of and win, and has gotten us back to the qualification stages of the Europa League (if not the group stages with a win over Chelsea).

    I realised today I'm getting excited about the Europa league. Reason being that right now, if we view LFC as a project, the Europa League is where we deserve to be, even if we are taking the much harder route to get there through cups and not league position. While for a club with the stature of LFC this season has been disappointing, we have improved. We are far from LFC of old, but we are also far from LFC of the past two seasons.

    We are a club showing improvements at last. Sure the players are coming under critism, and the signings haven't all gone well, but with the summer approaching, the draw of European football, and owners I actually trust with my club, the future signings will surely be an improvement. Some players will get relegated to squad status, and all players will have more game time as the Europa League offers what I miss most, mid-week football (using the term liberally for Thursdays).

    I know the naysayers are out there, but personally I'm being positive ofr LFC's future. Financially we are sound, have a generally young squad with only a handful of positions needing improvement. We are in a good position for the future. The main problem seems to arise from people having very high expectations on King Kenny, FSG's wallet, and the players of the world automatically wanting to play for LFC.

    Being realistic, this season has heralded some vital improvements to carry the club onto better things next season, and even greater things for the following season.

    Now that I'm finished, I can stop procrastinating from studying for my exams, and actually dive into German Cultural History at the turn of the century. The joys of it all!

    TL;DR - LFC aren't in as bad a place as we all think. We are where we deserve to be, but it is seasons like this one that will get us to where we want to be.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,560 ✭✭✭✭Kess73




    He is the most hyped of the current batch of young (ish) Swedes. He is on the back of a very good season, and technically is a very tidy player who can be very similar to Aquilani in terms how how he passes the ball, and in terms of his passing range. Mobile player as well.

    Would not be one of the first names on my list of young CMs/CAMs to be honest though. If I wanted a clever midfielder with good attacking ability to put alongside Lucas or to play in a midfield trio with Lucas and either an allrounder or a playmaker, then I would be looking at the likes of Belhanda, Markus Henrikson, Harmeet Singh etc rather than the likes of Elm.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,117 ✭✭✭✭Leiva


    mormank wrote: »
    Although to be honest, I do feel some people on here do need to realise where we are as a club in the modern era. Some people seem to think that simply because we are Liverpool football club we should be handed things, that we deserve to be in a certain position in the league and that anything short of that is unacceptable.

    We fell behind alot throughout the 90's. Our owner and board, it seems, were out of their depth. They run the club like it was still the dark ages and failed to maximise it's potential. By the time Hicks and Gillette even arrived we were so far behind the other top teams on the field and off it. In fairness to them it would appear they got the ball rolling and partially brought us into the modern era of football in terms or sponsorship and other things. Then all that went tits up as we all know and we were once again set even further back.

    We had it good under Benitez, but just like kids with short memories or attention spans alot of us turned on Benitez and thought it was best for him to go. But don't it always seem to go, you don't know what you've got till it's gone. Then came Roy, just like with alot of things in life it takes a bad experience to make you appreciate the good. Now we have Kenny and again there are plenty of voices wanting him out. Sure, i can understand why people would want him out and to get a new manager in and what not...To what end is my question?

    We havent won the league in 20 years. We have a whole generation of fans that have never experienced the glory of winning the league. Do people honestly believe that another manager can just arrive and win us the league, or guarantee us 4th? Do people honestly think that's all it takes? That we are that close to really challenging? I have experienced one title challenge. We ended up 4 points behind with a points total that would have won us the league on numerous other occasions. I guess my point is that people need to wake up to the reality that Liverpool are not the dominant force anymore. Going through managers at this rate is not going to help us in any way shape or form. It is not meant to be the way we conduct ourselves as a club. This attitude of entitlement probably cost us our best manager in the last 20 years. Kenny has had one full season as manager since he has been back. Is it gonna be the case that if he goes and whoever replaces him doesn't get 4th that he then gets sacked and so on and so forth??

    Part of what attracted me to this club growing up was that we didn't behave this way. We had a reputation of holding onto managers for too long if anything. Remember the ridiculous joint managers for example. But having said that it kind of led to a mentality that we lose together or we win together. We are all in this together kind of an attitude. If you don't constantly sack managers then the players also know they have to play for the manager and can't contribute towards the sacking of a manager like what may have happened at chelsea this season and many other seasons.

    Anyway, I'm rambling at this point so i'll stop randomly pushing keys on my keyboard now
    spockety wrote: »
    Nail on the head. Football is nowhere near as black and white or short term as people think.

    When I think about my support of Liverpool, I don't always think about the here and now, I think about the past, and I think up to 30 or 40 years into the future. There is plenty left to be won in my lifetime, and I have no doubt we will win the league before I die. Fans of most other clubs cannot say that. There's a future hero who will bang in 30 goals a season for us who has not even been born yet.

    I'm in for the long haul.

    I am no expert or demographer but I think its kinda a new phenomenon that's occurred in recent years .

    We have Liverpool fans (35+) who are in the majority, and we have the younger generation who have no allegiance to legend or the old times who just want league success, which in their lifetime (25 - ) it has never been known or seen .

    So we kinda have a split of fans who are more patient and less quick to call for a managers head, and another side that justifiably haven't seen things ever change for the good of a league title .

    But Mormank has hit the mail on the head "you never know what you have til you loose it" (Rafa) .

    by the way I am in the 35+ brigade


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,325 ✭✭✭✭Dozen Wicked Words


    Just thought I would give you lads a little article from a Northampton newspaper about one of your young players. He was a bit up and down, but always a trier according to reports, and its difficult to be on your game when you are a skillful player and bottom of League 2. The Cobblers manager reckons he will probably be loaned out again next year, but that hes already too good for League Two and will end up at League One or even Championship level.
    JUST like the barely-functioning Crawley Town floodlights, it has been difficult to find much light in a season of darkness for the Cobblers. Even when things started to improve a fortnight ago, reality was quickly restored in the form of three straight defeats.

    Toni Silva, though, has experienced true emotional devastation in that time with the death of his mother. But if you wanted any proof of the mental strength, of the character of the player, look no further than the fact he was prepared to put his boots on and play at Crawley, just five days after her funeral.

    He was excellent too. He hit the bar with a shot after one of at least half-a-dozen slicing runs through the home defence in a performance that was life-affirming and faith-restoring. Although it is unlikely to have eased the pain of his loss, it will surely be enough to convince manager Aidy Boothroyd to include him in his side to start tomorrow’s game at Edgar Street.

    If nothing else, Boothroyd feels the best place for the on-loan winger, who is, lest we forget, still just 18 years-old, is a football pitch. “His mother’s funeral was on Friday and he came back as soon as he could because we didn’t want him stuck at home,” he said.

    “I think the best place for him is on the football pitch and he was absolutely brilliant when he came on the other night; he was unfortunate not to score. “When there’s a death in the family, especially of someone as close as a mother, it must be very gut-wrenching and we were all very upset for him. The best way to get on with it is to do what you love doing and for him that’s playing football."

    There is no doubt, though, of his quality. The feeling around the club is that if he can be coached in the ‘streetwise’ ways of league two football and toughened up with a string of weights sessions, he could be a serious player.
    Link to original story


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,749 ✭✭✭mormank


    You most certainly are.


    Anyone got a link for the Chelsea highlights? Thanks

    comments like this are the reason i don't bother much with commenting anymore. :rolleyes:

    how you can ask for help off somebody in the same post as cutting someone else down is beyond me. jeez, the neck on some people always astounds me.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,655 ✭✭✭El Inho


    Leiva wrote: »
    I am no expert or demographer but I think its kinda a new phenomenon that's occurred in recent years .

    We have Liverpool fans (35+) who are in the majority, and we have the younger generation who have no allegiance to legend or the old times who just want league success, which in their lifetime (25 - ) it has never been known or seen .

    So we kinda have a split of fans who are more patient and less quick to call for a managers head, and another side that justifiably haven't seen things ever change for the good of a league title .

    But Mormank has hit the mail on the head "you never know what you have til you loose it" (Rafa) .

    by the way I am in the 35+ brigade

    Making a great point there.

    I'm 24, never saw LFC lift a title, but witnessed 2005 with glee.

    Perhaps what 2005 really did was buy time, that was squandered, and now the generation has become impatient. I think on a personal level though, I realise this is a long haul exercise, and we are someway away from being able to look forward to a title. And it pains me to say it, but I'm not sure if Gerrard will be lifting it. If he does, he will be a squad player, but still most likely captain. Think his influence in the dressing room can be massive, and he has dropped such an influence on the pitch of late.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 19,341 ✭✭✭✭Chucky the tree


    mormank wrote: »
    Although to be honest, I do feel some people on here do need to realise where we are as a club in the modern era. Some people seem to think that simply because we are Liverpool football club we should be handed things, that we deserve to be in a certain position in the league and that anything short of that is unacceptable.

    We fell behind alot throughout the 90's. Our owner and board, it seems, were out of their depth. They run the club like it was still the dark ages and failed to maximise it's potential. By the time Hicks and Gillette even arrived we were so far behind the other top teams on the field and off it. In fairness to them it would appear they got the ball rolling and partially brought us into the modern era of football in terms or sponsorship and other things. Then all that went tits up as we all know and we were once again set even further back.

    We had it good under Benitez, but just like kids with short memories or attention spans alot of us turned on Benitez and thought it was best for him to go. But don't it always seem to go, you don't know what you've got till it's gone. Then came Roy, just like with alot of things in life it takes a bad experience to make you appreciate the good. Now we have Kenny and again there are plenty of voices wanting him out. Sure, i can understand why people would want him out and to get a new manager in and what not...To what end is my question?

    We havent won the league in 20 years. We have a whole generation of fans that have never experienced the glory of winning the league. Do people honestly believe that another manager can just arrive and win us the league, or guarantee us 4th? Do people honestly think that's all it takes? That we are that close to really challenging? I have experienced one title challenge. We ended up 4 points behind with a points total that would have won us the league on numerous other occasions. I guess my point is that people need to wake up to the reality that Liverpool are not the dominant force anymore. Going through managers at this rate is not going to help us in any way shape or form. It is not meant to be the way we conduct ourselves as a club. This attitude of entitlement probably cost us our best manager in the last 20 years. Kenny has had one full season as manager since he has been back. Is it gonna be the case that if he goes and whoever replaces him doesn't get 4th that he then gets sacked and so on and so forth??

    Part of what attracted me to this club growing up was that we didn't behave this way. We had a reputation of holding onto managers for too long if anything. Remember the ridiculous joint managers for example. But having said that it kind of led to a mentality that we lose together or we win together. We are all in this together kind of an attitude. If you don't constantly sack managers then the players also know they have to play for the manager and can't contribute towards the sacking of a manager like what may have happened at chelsea this season and many other seasons.

    Anyway, I'm rambling at this point so i'll stop randomly pushing keys on my keyboard now


    Nice post. However I think you're viewing it through very tinted kenny Dalglish style glasses tbh. Because we are Liverpool Football club we have a massive advantage over most clubs in England, and Europe in some cases. Excellent reputation, very large support base, solid money making potential, some excellent players etc etc. Due to all of these reasons I think being in 8th 16 points off 4th is extremely unacceptable.

    We've had it tough with owners, but so have Newcastle. They were even in the Championship two season ago and look where they are now. Blaming the current horrible form on the last few years is a cop out tbh. Despite going through all of that there is no way we should be level on points with Fulham in 8th place and closer to relegation than 4th.

    I'm glad you brought up Roy, I find it strange that you mention him and then proceed to talk about not giving managers enough time. Even if Roy "got" this club and said all the right things but still found himself continuously losing games(especially at home), was about to finish the season with the 2nd worst record ever in the league there would be no one on hear asking for him to be given time. I'm going to view Kenny the same way as I'd view anyone, him being a legend should not get him any extra rope, same as it shouldn't give Carragher or Gerrard extra games/contracts/season/playing time.


    You're point about fans wanting the league and 4th and everything else not being good enough is pure hyperbole bollox tbh. I've never seen anyone say 4th or nothing else, and I certainly haven't seen anyone expecting a title challenge. However I also don't remember anyone predicting an 8th placed finish or worse, or being this far off 4th before the season started either. Pretty sure if anyone said in August they would have been ridiculed and called a "hater" or some such nonsense. Now it's happened under Kenny then it's time to paper over-the-cracks. If finishing behind Everton, battling it out with Fulham, WBA, Sunderland, Swansea for a top half finish is now our reality then fair enough, however I don't think you or anyone else actually thinks this club isn't far far better then that.


    In the first paragraph you talking about how we fell behind in the 90s because our owner was out of his depth and in the last paragraph you fondly talk what attracted you to this club - basically our owners being completely out of his depth. You can't have it both ways. In these times sticking with a manager who is out of his depth for 3-4 seasons will kill a team. 3-4 years of great players leaving while being replaced by the likes of henderson, Carroll, Downing etc will just make the job for the next manager(who'll be of a lesser pedigree) probably finally make mid-table battles with WBA and company a reality.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,776 ✭✭✭redzerdrog


    LuckyLloyd wrote: »
    Yes! 2000 / 1 is probably my favourite season as a Liverpool fan. The first leg away in Roma will live long in my memory.

    I was at the home leg of the barca game that year when gary mac scored a peno. It is still my only experience of a european night at anfield and one that I will never forget.

    Missed the ferry home the next morning as well. Fun times!


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,210 ✭✭✭argosy2006


    http://vimeo.com/40998935
    Gary Neville when torres scores


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 248 ✭✭Slimity


    @Kess

    Jusy wondering if you heard any talk around about Valero and Macia returning to the club as GK coach and scout? It's been doing the rounds on twitter and some other forums the last couple of days.

    People seem to be putting 2 and 2 together and getting Rafa back...


    Thanks.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,162 ✭✭✭Augmerson


    lol & the tag at the bottom - "all Comolli's fault" :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,560 ✭✭✭✭Kess73


    Slimity wrote: »
    @Kess

    Jusy wondering if you heard any talk around about Valero and Macia returning to the club as GK coach and scout? It's been doing the rounds on twitter and some other forums the last couple of days.

    People seem to be putting 2 and 2 together and getting Rafa back...


    Thanks.

    All I have heard is probably the same rumours as the rest of you regarding those two. Three or four of Rafa's old backroom team have been rumoured to be coming back this summer, but how true or not it is I guess we will have to wait and see.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,243 ✭✭✭✭Jesus Wept


    I'm surprised all the tags aren't filled in yet, get to work people please.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 248 ✭✭Slimity


    Thanks Kess,

    Seems strange if true of course, that FSG would want members of Rafa's backroom staff back at the club.

    I had pretty much assumed that Rafa was ruled out of any consideration as potential next manager by the reports they received on him and the apparent high wage bill that was left in his wake.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,267 ✭✭✭opr


    Bandini: Unloved and unwanted, Alberto Aquilani’s career could once more be in limbo
    At long last, Alberto Aquilani felt like things were falling into place. “I am very happy to be here,” said the midfielder upon completion of his move from Liverpool to Milan last August. “This is a turning point for my career.”

    Yes, this was another loan deal, his second in as many years, but this time things felt different. The 2010-11 season spent with Juventus had been a wonderful experience, but even during his best spell for the club Aquilani was never confident Turin could become a long-term home. Although Juventus had the option to make the deal permanent at the end of the season for €16m, Aquilani always doubted the Bianconeri had the resources to stretch so far.

    He would be proved correct, as Juve were unwilling to even meet a reduced asking price of €10m once they had procured Andrea Pirlo from Milan on a free transfer. Aquilani was obliged to return to a Liverpool side where, despite public words of encouragement from Kenny Dalglish, it seemed that he was not truly wanted. Fiorentina offered to take the player out on a season-long loan of their own, but Aquilani declined on the grounds that he craved something more permanent.

    There were raised eyebrows in Florence when Aquilani agreed to join Milan on ostensibly similar terms. The Italian champions represented a more attractive option than a Viola team experiencing a period of transition, but the real devil was in the details. “Here the option is set at €6m and becomes obligatory if I play 25 games,” explained Aquilani, noting that Fiorentina’s proposed deal only included the option to buy at a twice-as-high €12m. “I felt like this was more of a guarantee.”

    To Aquilani’s mind, this was a deal that put the power back in his hands. If he performed well enough, the manager Massimiliano Allegri would have to select him. And if Aquilani played, then Milan would have to buy. As excited as he was to join a club which he described as the pinnacle of Italian football, Aquilani’s greatest desire was simply to find somewhere, anywhere, to call home.

    If he rejected the suggestion, put to him by Gazzetta dello Sport a few months into the season, that Juventus had represented some sort of career purgatory, describing it as “a fundamental step in my career”, it certainly felt as though he had spent the last two years locked in limbo. Born and raised in Rome, Aquilani had only ever dreamt of playing for Roma. Had it been up to him he would never have left, but with debts mounting in the summer of 2009 the club viewed his sale as its best hope of staying afloat.

    “Nobody can understand what it means for a Roman, Roma-supporting player to leave Roma,” he told Gazzetta in the same interview. “I grew up convinced that I would stay with Roma for ever, like [Francesco] Totti and [Daniele] De Rossi, and yet at a certain point the club decided to put me on the market. It was hard to accept.”

    Even harder to comprehend was his new manager’s reluctance to use a player in whom the club had invested so heavily. Although he had arrived carrying an ankle injury, Aquilani made his first appearance for Liverpool in a League Cup game against Arsenal before the end of October. Despite this, he wouldn’t get his first start until 26 December. Although injuries had continued to hamper his progress, it was certainly true that he had been available for a lot more than the 13 starts he eventually managed.

    But if Rafael Benítez was chastised for using him so sparingly then he cannot have been the only one to harbour doubts. Aquilani followed up by playing 33 games for Juventus last season, performing well enough to establish himself as a regular member of Cesare Prandelli’s Italy side, even scoring the winning goal in a friendly against Spain over the summer. A 27-year-old with such credentials ought to have been one of the most sought-after figures in the summer transfer window, yet in reality there was no line of potential suitors knocking down Liverpool’s door.

    Indeed, when Aquilani eventually arrived in Milan it was to an air of disappointment. The club’s vice-president, Adriano Galliani, had sparked rumours of another Zlatan Ibrahimovic-esque signing by referring to an unidentified “Mr X” at the top of his transfer shortlist, but the suggestion that Aquilani could be the man in question was met with derision. His mode of transport said it all: Ibrahimovic had flown into Milan the previous summer by private jet; Aquilani travelled with budget specialists Ryanair.

    Despite such scepticism Aquilani quickly became a central figure, just as he had at Juventus a year before. Milan fans hoping that the midfielder might treat them to a repeat of his most famous trick—the outrageous rabona which helped set up Roma’s winning goal at San Siro back in 2008—would be disappointed (his one attempted reprise, in a Champions League group stage game against Viktoria Plzen, was rather less successful) but what they would get was a much-needed creative presence at the heart of Allegri’s 4-3-1-2.

    Suggestions that Aquilani could be Pirlo’s successor at Milan had always been wide of the mark (the players’ respective styles are so different as to be scarcely comparable) but Aquilani’s vision, energy and versatility served the team well. He saved one of his best performances for his former team-mates, providing Ibrahimovic with two perfect assists in a 3-2 win at Roma.

    By the end of October an eventual permanent transfer to Milan looked a formality. Already he had played in 11 games for the Rossoneri, (even if they would only technically count as nine towards the obligation to buy, with substitute’s appearances being considered as half-games) providing six assists and one goal. He added a further nine appearances—all but one of them starts—before the winter break.

    Inevitably, a set-back was just around the corner. A fresh ankle injury suffered in early January would keep Aquilani out for the next two months. He returned in early March to find himself suddenly nudged out of the first XI, restricted to late appearances from the bench. From a contract standpoint, they did not add up fast enough. With five games left to play in Serie A, Aquilani remains three short of the 25 required to trigger an automatic purchase.

    It is possible that Milan may yet make a move for him anyway, of course, that Galliani may simply seek a further price reduction in typically opportunistic fashion (and the €6m clause cited by Aquilani is believed to be nearer €8m when certain bonuses are factored in). Barring a speedy resolution, however, there is a significant prospect that the player could travel to Euro 2012 with his career, and his life, once more in limbo.

    Opr


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 460 ✭✭Gerty


    Suso played for the Spanish u19's today.

    He scored in a 4-0 win.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,267 ✭✭✭opr


    Aquilani not in the Milan team today. Another summer of his agent spouting endless **** every other day.

    Opr


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,243 ✭✭✭✭Jesus Wept


    I was thinking about this last night and I just can't get my head around it.
    I really don't recall what the guy was like when he played for us...

    What the **** is the deal? We can't even give the guy away at this stage, is he terrible? If he isn't, why can't we give him away? And if he is decent, why don't we just bring him back.

    I can't make head or tail of it.

    Even if we massively overpaid for him at the time, we are trying to give him away for about 25% of that now and failing? Is it a case that teams aren't willing to pay for something that you have been willing to give them free even if the player has a value? In which case, perhaps it's a bad idea to send people on loan unless you fully intend to take them back and use them in the future.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,485 ✭✭✭Thrill


    Judge: I do not trust Hicks and Gillett

    http://www.breakingnews.ie/sport/judge-i-do-not-trust-hicks-and-gillett-548969.html


    Extract from full story.........


    A British High Court judge today said he did not trust two American businessmen who used to own Liverpool Football Club.

    Mr Justice Peter Smith said Tom Hicks and George Gillett had “demonstrated” that they would “abuse” the court process if it suited them.




    The judge criticised Mr Hicks and Mr Gillett when hearing evidence at the High Court in London during the latest phase of litigation launched following the sale.

    He refused to allow Mr Hicks and Mr Gillett to have “full and unrestricted” access to private documentation featuring in the litigation because of fears about “potential misconduct”.

    The judge said an American lawyer representing Mr Hicks and Mr Gillett had twice misled an American court in October 2010 following the Liverpool sale.

    He said Mr Hicks and Mr Gillett had given “no credible explanation” for that lawyer’s behaviour and suggested they had taken a “Manuelesque – ’I know nothing”’ stance.







  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,267 ✭✭✭opr


    I was thinking about this last night and I just can't get my head around it.
    I really don't recall what the guy was like when he played for us...

    What the **** is the deal? We can't even give the guy away at this stage, is he terrible? If he isn't, why can't we give him away? And if he is decent, why don't we just bring him back.

    I can't make head or tail of it.

    Even if we massively overpaid for him at the time, we are trying to give him away for about 25% of that now and failing? Is it a case that teams aren't willing to pay for something that you have been willing to give them free even if the player has a value? In which case, perhaps it's a bad idea to send people on loan unless you fully intend to take them back and use them in the future.

    Well we are hardly giving him away at €8m plus the big thing I would say is his wages of around £90k a week. I would say once the clause is triggered Milan are tied into a four year contract with him which for a player who regularly only plays only half the games in a season is quite a risk when they have other good options who are available for free without injury problems. No one wants to pay such an injury prone player those kind of wages with good reason.

    Opr


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,243 ✭✭✭✭Jesus Wept


    Thought €5m was mentioned. Why did we put him on such a high wage in the first place?
    Is he not better than Charlie Adam who we paid more for last summer, why not just hold on to Aqua...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,560 ✭✭✭✭Kess73


    opr wrote: »
    Well we are hardly giving him away at €8m plus the big thing I would say is his wages of around £90k a week. I would say once the clause is triggered Milan are tied into a four year contract with him which for a player who regularly only plays only half the games in a season is quite a risk when they have other good options who are available for free without injury problems. No one wants to pay such an injury prone player those kind of wages with good reason.

    Opr


    His wages have been quoted by both Juve and Milan as being around the €3.5m mark. Both clubs have said that they would not be able to match that figure, his LFC wage, if he moved full time.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,942 ✭✭✭missingtime


    I like him as a player and think he would offer a lot more than any of the midfielders we currently have.

    Just a shame he doesn't want to be in England. That and his injuries.

    Benitez had this to say about him:
    "We don't know if he needs an operation. He has some pain and we will just analyse that with the doctor. It's the same ankle he did before. Some players maybe can manage with the pain, some players when they have pain cannot. When you talk of pain you never know, it depends on each individual and that makes it really difficult."

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/apr/03/alberto-aquilani-liverpool-mental-physical

    Where as other players could possibly take a pain killing injection and continue on. If Aquilani had any doubts he probably wont.


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