New Smoking Ban - Public Places & Beaches

bodice ripper · 25-04-2012 01:06PM

when I smoke outside, I try to stand downwind of people.

it that isn't enough, or you insist on moving upwind of me - tough ****

facemelter · 25-04-2012 01:06PM

Stiffler2 wrote: »

Knob head wants to introduce a new smoking ban which extends to public places and beaches.

WTF is this $h1t. I f00king hate this country these days, this is not the country I grew up in, it's just full of complete tards these days.

Source :

http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/0424/pro-smoking-group-hits-out-at-reilly-ban-plans.html

Pro-smoking group hits out at Reilly plans to ban smoking in open areas

Quote :

Forest Éireann said, unlike previous restrictions on smoking, the proposal is not evidence based, and appears to be cosmetic.

Spokesman John Mallon told RTÉ's Morning Ireland such a move would further marginalise people for the habit of smoking, which is still legal.
Mr Mallon questioned Minister Reilly's assertion that the move would de-normalise smoking for children.

"It's based on preferences and tastes, and that's quite dangerous in the area of legislation,” he said.

“Because you have to ask yourself what do you restrict next? Is the sight of a fat person sending a signal to a young child that it's okay to be overweight?

"In this case, it's a departure. It's not a case that it's bad or a danger. It just looks bad. That's very cosmetic at one level, and one wonders what else looks bad and whose tastes are we following in this."

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So they ban smoking in pubs, fine. you want us to stand outside, fine.
Now you want to ban smoking outside. Fook Off.

Next we'll have to smoke under the duvet at home.
The law used to be their to protect & serve. Now it's just there to control the masses at will.

When will the BS end, we need to get a terrorist / Sinn Féin into Gobberment immediately and get rid of all these twats by whatever means neccessary. At least we'll know where we stand with SF.

I suppose most of you agree with him though, which is sad, but Hey, that's the "Ireland" we live in today....

Hope they do would be nice to be on a beach this summer and not have to put up with cigarette bubds everywhere. ruins the look of the beach.

mongdesade · 25-04-2012 01:08PM

seamus · 25-04-2012 01:10PM

Brendog wrote: »

If you don't want second hand smoke don't stand near someone who is smoking.

The issue is what happens when some prick stands beside you and lights up? You're having a nice day walking through the park, stop for a nice sit down beside the lake to watch some little ducks. Then some gob****e comes and sits beside you, lights up, blowing smoke in your face. Why should you have to move?

We should never have to legislate for good manners, but unfortunately some people just have none.

KittyeeTrix · 25-04-2012 01:11PM

jaffacakesyum wrote: »

Bull****. Passive smoking CAN give you cancer. If you're exposed to passive smoking daily, for example at bus stops, on the street, at parties, friends smoking around you etc. you can suffer from the same effects as the person smoking.

There are something like 250 known carcinogens in one cigarette, with thousands of other chemicals that may also be possibly damaging. What makes you think that second hand smoke isn't damaging to the people around you?

Not to mention, non-Cancer relating effects. Smoking paralyses the cilia in your trachea (the things that help clear normal secretions from your lungs and mucous linings), puts you at risk of developing chest infections which could lead to pneumonia, causes vasoconstriction of your arteries (basically makes them smaller, so you're at risk to lots of things there).......I could go on.

It's INCREDIBLY ignorant to thing that second hand smoking does no damage.

Nobody said that secondhand smoke doesn't damage but if people were to believe your hysteria they'd be catching buses wearing oxygen tanks

I am pie wrote: »

I am mystified as to why anyone would want to proudly identify themselves as a smoker. To me, more than banning cigarettes, that displays a lack of intelligence or ignorance.

I don't think you should ban smoking on beaches, bt i'd fully support a very very hefty fine for leaving butts on the sand or littering with them. Animals and children shouldn't have to put up with some moron's stinking butts.

It's an addiction rather than a lack of ignorance or intellligence but nice try;)

Battered Mars Bar wrote: »

They should bring in a law whereby us normal decent non smoking people can throw water balloons at people who smoke in public.

Try a little harder,

I don't think anyone apart from myself has bitten yet!!!

If people are worried about the littering aspect of it then i would suggest a ciggie drop bag similar to the scheme which was imposed for those walking dogs..............

Personally the idea of cig butts on a beach or path don't quite tip me off the edge as much as stinking dog poo......(especially when barefoot on a beach)..:eek:

prinz · 25-04-2012 01:12PM

KittyeeTrix wrote: »

It's an addiction rather than a lack of ignorance or intellligence but nice try;)

...but you have to be a few pence short of a pound to start smoking in the first place.

KittyeeTrix · 25-04-2012 01:12PM

seamus wrote: »

The issue is what happens when some prick stands beside you and lights up? You're having a nice day walking through the park, stop for a nice sit down beside the lake to watch some little ducks. Then some gob****e comes and sits beside you, lights up, blowing smoke in your face. Why should you have to move?

We should never have to legislate for good manners, but unfortunately some people just have none.

for crying out loud, how many people really do this????
Are we all to be fecking castigated for a small amount of morons?

facemelter · 25-04-2012 01:13PM

Stiffler2 wrote: »

I don't care how I smell to other people because I don't give a flying F**K what other people think of me or how I smell to others.

If you don't like what you smell then move 10 metres down the road, simples. I don't like the smell of fish. I think we should ban all fishing / fish shops and gee. Is that how it works around here ??

This place is turning into North Korea.... seriously..

I have no problem with people smoking so long as its not in my face , and often its not , but what does piss my off is when smokers leave cigarette buds wherever they finish there cigarette , if you have ever been down to white rock , in the little white changing room "box" the place is filled with cigarette buds , and thats absolutely disgusting ,no excuse for it.

KittyeeTrix · 25-04-2012 01:15PM

prinz wrote: »

...but you have to be a few pence short of a pound to start smoking in the first place.

Maybe, but I'd definitely have to be a few pence short of a pound to get into a ridiculous argument about it here

prinz · 25-04-2012 01:16PM

KittyeeTrix wrote: »

for crying out loud, how many people really do this???? Are we all to be fecking castigated for a small amount of morons?

Plenty of people do it. Enough of them for it to be a common complaint among non-smokers.

Seachmall · 25-04-2012 01:17PM

prinz wrote: »

...but you have to be a few pence short of a pound to start smoking in the first place.

Or susceptible to the same social influences as everybody else, but experienced them in a different environment.

Snowie · 25-04-2012 01:18PM

jaffacakesyum wrote: »

There is diffusion when you smoke outdoors, no doubt about it. But what people aren't getting is that, I'm not talking about one person suffering second hand smoke from waiting at a bus for 5 minutes and that's it. I'm saying, this person may have to get the bus 2 or 3 times + a day every day, 5-7 days a week. Coupled with that, you have exposure in other public places, parks, beaches, etc. Coupled even further with that, you may have close friends or family that smoke so as well as outdoor second hand smoke you're exposed to it indoors.

Anyway, the point I'm making is that just because it's outdoors doesn't mean it's not bad for your health. Over 80% of cigarette smoke is invisible so just because most of the visible smoke isn't directly blown in somebodys face while waiting for the bus, doesn't mean it's not harmful.

OOOOO wait you could be a

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQqYE_A8AM0

:pac:

well al put to gather to get you a pair of high tops and a whistle :cool:

OldGoat · 25-04-2012 01:20PM

I think there may be grounds for a legal challange on the beach proposal. Not a lawyer so bear with me if I feck up here.
Iris law tends to be based on UK law. I seem to remember that there was a big outcry by baitdiggers in the UK about their right to use the foreshore - the intertidal area of seafront - and that by law it's 'Common Land'. As such I can graze my sheep, dig bate on it AND have a smoke if I want to.
Yay for archic laws!

Eric Cartman · 25-04-2012 01:24PM

The government cant deal with the fact that smoking looks so cool.

Wossack · 25-04-2012 01:25PM

OldGoat wrote: »

I think there may be grounds for a legal challange on the beach proposal. Not a lawyer so bear with me if I feck up here.
Iris law tends to be based on UK law. I seem to remember that there was a big outcry by baitdiggers in the UK about their right to use the foreshore - the intertidal area of seafront - and that by law it's 'Common Land'. As such I can graze my sheep, dig bate on it AND have a smoke if I want to.
Yay for archic laws!

I think that may be why they've specified public places, and beaches. I would have thought public places would have encompased beaches, but your post there may explain it

Rabidlamb · 25-04-2012 01:29PM

Imagine turning around to a lad on the Hill with 3 minutes to go in the All-Ireland & say "Do you realise you're breaking the law & you must put it out".
You'd end up on your arse in seconds.
Stupid unenforceable law is unenforceable.

TheBunk1 · 25-04-2012 01:32PM

Battered Mars Bar wrote: »

They should bring in a law whereby us normal decent non smoking people can throw water balloons at people who smoke in public.

I'll just throw my cigarette at your water balloon before you get a chance to throw it. BOOM!!! you're soaked. :pac:

Then I'll light another one.

Mmmmmm

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ziggy23 · 25-04-2012 01:32PM

I am pie wrote: »

I am mystified as to why anyone would want to proudly identify themselves as a smoker. To me, more than banning cigarettes, that displays a lack of intelligence or ignorance.

:pac::pac::pac: Are you for real! So I lack intelligence because my only vice these days is cigarettes? I don't think anybody is proud of smoking but ffs were not lepers:mad:

prinz · 25-04-2012 01:34PM

Rabidlamb wrote: »

Imagine turning around to a lad on the Hill with 3 minutes to go in the All-Ireland & say "Do you realise you're breaking the law & you must put it out". You'd end up on your arse in seconds. Stupid unenforceable law is unenforceable.

Outside of the designated smoking areas, Croke Park is smoke free anyway. The new law would have no bearing on it. AFAIK none of the stands contain smoking zones on the pitchside, you'd have to go back out. Brian Cowen was caught out on this in Croke Park a few years ago.

opinion guy · 25-04-2012 01:38PM

Seachmall wrote: »

I apologise if I don't smell as you'd like, but unless we've found ourselves in a relationship with each other in the last 10 minutes then your senses are of no concern to me.

:eek::D
lol best put down I've seen in agggesss - is there a way to nominate it for an award ?

BackScrub · 25-04-2012 01:41PM

I've said it before and I'll say it again - we'll rue the day we let this shower of fascists run our country.

They'll rob and pillage us of all income, freedom and civil liberties in the near future before you can say "Yes to jobs".

Meanwhile, we'll pay every new charge and vote yes to every treaty because most of us have absolutely no idea what's going on.

Also, the people bleating about cancer can jog on too. Cigarette smoke is hardly the biggest pollutant on the planet now is it? Vehicle exhaust emissions and the slop we're accepting as food these days are where you need to be looking if you want to run a "Things to blame cancer on" campaign.

Dunphy was right.

seamus · 25-04-2012 01:41PM

KittyeeTrix wrote: »

If people are worried about the littering aspect of it then i would suggest a ciggie drop bag similar to the scheme which was imposed for those walking dogs..............

These already exist. They're called "bins".

Carry your butt till you find a bin...deposit it. Problem solved.

I carry a bag of dog **** for miles until I find a bin. So you can do the same with a piece of a charred paper.

WoollyRedHat · 25-04-2012 01:42PM

We shall fight on the beaches,
we shall fight on the landing grounds,
we shall fight in the fields and in the streets,
we shall fight in the public parks
we shall never surrender

SunnyDub1 · 25-04-2012 01:47PM

Fed up seeing threads about smoking bans, smoking laws , health and safe issues.

Do people not have human rights as a person anymore ? If people wish to smoke they should be able to.

I don't see any law been put in place for unhealthy sugary food... Why don't they just ban all fast foods ?
Cause im nearly sure that a person that is obeast is just as much at risk as a person who smokes...

People can fall ill or suffer with health issues from all kind of problems - not just smoke!

steve9859 · 25-04-2012 02:09PM

Completely agree with the banning of it on parks and beaches. Not because of passive smoking, but because every smoker just throws their butts on the ground.

Central park in New York is great. No smoking and therefore no cigarette butts everywhere. An easier alternative is probably to fine smokers properly for flicking away their trash when they're done, so my little niece doesnt pick it up off the ground in Stephens Green thinking it's a bl**dy toy!

25-04-2012 02:19PM

jaffacakesyum wrote: »

I'd support this. Why should other people suffer for your stupid choices? I don't particularly mind the smell, but I've asthma and can't stand people smoking in public places, like waiting for the bus or something. It's ridiculously rude. If I did smoke, I'd make sure not to smoke around others.

I have asthma but have absolutely no problem with people smoking while waiting on a bus. If it was to bother me then I would either move or ask the smoker to.

This episode of Penn and Teller's Bull**** went into detail on the whole second hand smoke kills myth and while they later stated that there was some scientific evidence that second hand smoke can lead to cancer most of the supposed scientific arguments that second hand smoke kills were complete and utter BS.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-AjXwSJtxGc

prinz · 25-04-2012 02:21PM

WoollyRedHat wrote: »

We shall fight on the beaches,
[cigarette break] we shall fight on the landing grounds [cigarette break],
we shall fight in the fields and in the streets [wheeeeeeeeeeeeze]
we shall fight in the public parks [cough, cough]
we shall never surrender[cigarette break]

FYP

KittyeeTrix · 25-04-2012 02:26PM

seamus wrote: »

These already exist. They're called "bins".

Carry your butt till you find a bin...deposit it. Problem solved.

I carry a bag of dog **** for miles until I find a bin. So you can do the same with a piece of a charred paper.

That's excactly what I was suggesting rather than this blanket ban on smoking in public places as a result of littering..........either carry your cig butt in a bag or your hand to a bin or be fined for littering!!!

I wouldn't suggest that every dog owner be banned from walking their dogs in public even though I've often trodden in dog poo as a result of some idiots who let their dogs poo wherever and don't collect it!!!

Stiffler2 · 25-04-2012 02:29PM

This is how I see it & this is how it is :

Basically a Moron pushing his own views on the rest of us smokers.

I will light up beside you on a park bench, I will smoke at the beach and I will flick my butts on the ground. The more they give out the more we should retailiatte

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_2tICT_NdM

rgmmg · 25-04-2012 02:34PM

seamus wrote: »

...
For some reason in the smoking fraternity it's acceptable, if not "cool" to flick your butt away and expect the butt fairy ....

Leave Brian Dowling out of this :rolleyes:

New Smoking Ban - Public Places & Beaches

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