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Pregnant women smoking and drinking

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  • #302
    Julia London
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24 ✭Julia London


    My husband doesnt smoke and im an ex smoker/non drinker. When i was pregnant he stopped drinking at weekends the odd beer he like through his own decision, and in the whole pregnancy only drank twice, once at a wedding, and once at a christening.
    When the baby was born my husband told me he would never be drinking again at weekends as he didnt want our child growing up in an environment were drink was a commonplace occurence. He now drinks occasionally at family events / special occasions. Im not anti drink or smoke. But i wont allow people smoke in my home, and i dont allow friends get drunk in my home either. Alcohol at a dinner party etc is only brought out when my children are in bed and i never allow excessive drinking around my kids. What people do in their own home is their business, but if your smoking and pregnant your endangering your baby every time you do it.


  • #303
    Stupify
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 578 ✭✭✭Stupify


    Abi wrote: »
    I would have loved to have been in your shoes, theyd be fcuking sorry, to put it mildly. Excuse after excuse after excuse.

    Besides not giving your child the option of whether it would like a cigarette or not, it looks disgusting.

    You can go around saying "its wrong! Its wrong!" but wrong and right mean **** in this world.

    Power is the only thing that matters and the fact is in all these situations the power rests with the woman who is pregnant. She’s making the decisions and even with a poorly made decision such as smoking during pregnancy you don’t have any power to prevent her from taking that option.


  • #304
    Stark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 21,377 ✭✭✭✭Stark


    Stupify wrote: »
    You can go around saying "its wrong! Its wrong!" but wrong and right mean **** in this world.

    Power is the only thing that matters and the fact is in all these situations the power rests with the woman who is pregnant. She’s making the decisions and even with a poorly made decision such as smoking during pregnancy you don’t have any power to prevent her from taking that option.

    Should she be allowed stub the cigarette butt out on the child's arm as well? While I don't think having a few cigarettes while pregnant is the end of the world, the "she has the power and you can't stop her" reasoning doesn't hold water.


  • #305
    Seachmall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,041 ✭✭✭Seachmall


    Julia London wrote: »
    Alcohol at a dinner party etc is only brought out when my children are in bed and i never allow excessive drinking around my kids.

    "Don't be going fucking doing stuff on their own like one of them couples like, you know. And don't be afraid to have a few house parties even if there's children involved. I was reared in a house like that - drinking and drugging going on - it didn`t do me any harm, you know." - Socrates.


  • #306
    Julia London
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24 ✭Julia London


    Does anybody think there could be a link to ashtma and smoking while pregnant or being subjected to second hand smoke? Or perhaps a non smoking mother whos parent smoked when pregnant.www.betterhealth.vic.gov.au › ... › Asthma - More about asthma
    My sister in laws child has severe ashtma and has to have occupational therapy for rest of her life. The sister in law smoked while pregnant but didnt drink. She is racked with guilt and told me so. she didnt touch a smoke on the second baby.


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  • #307
    Julia London
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24 ✭Julia London


    Seachmall wrote: »
    "Don't be going fucking doing stuff on their own like one of them couples like, you know. And don't be afraid to have a few house parties even if there's children involved. I was reared in a house like that - drinking and drugging going on - it didn`t do me any harm, you know." - Socrates.
    hmm well anyone doing drugs in their home with kids present is a disgraceful example of a parent. and as for house parties if you have to have one can you not arrange a babysitter?


  • #308
    Stupify
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 578 ✭✭✭Stupify


    Stark wrote: »
    Should she be allowed stub the cigarette butt out on the child's arm as well? While I don't think having a few cigarettes while pregnant is the end of the world, the "she has the power and you can't stop her" reasoning doesn't hold water.

    The fact is no matter what legislation or laws are enacted women who smoke during pregnancy will still probably do it. The comparison between child abuse (stubbing a cigarette butt out on the child’s arm) and smoking during pregnancy don’t relate to each other in my opinion.

    She has power over her own body was my point. And there is no way you can take away the power.


  • #309
    Seachmall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,041 ✭✭✭Seachmall


    Julia London wrote: »
    hmm well anyone doing drugs in their home with kids present is a disgraceful example of a parent. and as for house parties if you have to have one can you not arrange a babysitter?

    What if the babysitter was invited to the house party?

    You can't expect one of your guests to look after your kids, not cool.



    And cigarettes and alcohol are both drugs (as is caffeine).


  • #310
    Julia London
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24 ✭Julia London


    Seachmall wrote: »
    What if the babysitter was invited to the house party?

    You can't expect one of your guests to look after your kids, not cool.



    And cigarettes and alcohol are both drugs (as is caffeine).

    True i agree cigs and alcohol are drugs . i have a non smoking house and alcohol on occasions not every weekend. More like 4 times a year truth be knoiwn these days.
    I was into drugs, drinks and smokes all through my early 20's, i quit everything and now im like look i want my family to have a safe environment to grow up in. If they grow up and do drugs I want them to always know im here to talk to about it and hopefully i will have taught my kids to do things in moderation and sensibly. My mother is an alcoholic so im firecely kinda against my kids seeing and growing up around drunk people or drugged people.
    As for the babysitter get a relative to take the kids!


  • #311
    Geansai Rua
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 343 ✭✭Geansai Rua


    <snip>

    Edited as post may be construed as a qualified person giving medical advice. Pro-tip: Treat any advice you see on an internet forum from someone purporting to be a midwife as you would medical advice coming from Bill Cosby.


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  • #312
    Julia London
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24 ✭Julia London


    Geansai Rua wrote: »
    <snip>
    Glad a midwifes on here, does alcohol cross the placenta though? and if so do u know if that means your babies drunk/tipsy? Also does alcohol not effect brain cells?
    Genuine would like to know as it seems to be one doctor says one thing and another doctor has a different view.
    My sister in law is a midwife up in Dublin, the Rotunda. She wont touch alcohol when pregnant.


  • #313
    Kash
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,065 ✭✭✭Kash


    I'm over 6 months pregnant, and since I found out - I haven't touched a cigarette or a drink. Easiest thing in thw world for me - they all say to quit smoking, you have to really want to, and suddenly I did.

    My hubby also quit smoking, and any friends who visit now smoke outside.
    He suggested that he quit drinking as well, but to be honest - I didn't see the point, he might as well have a drink when he wants one. But he has told me that there is no way he will touch a drop in June/July as he wants to be ready to drive me to the hospital when needed.

    I personally view drinking and smoking while pregnant as morally wrong.
    I wouldn't do it myself, and I don't like to see people do it around me.

    But that said, I would not look down my nose at a woman who has a glass of champagne at Christmas, or a drink on a special occasion.

    Similarly, one cigarette, once in a blue moon, smoked by someone who is genuinely trying to quit, cannot be viewed in the same way as the women who smoke every day.

    An occadsional indulgence/slip up is not as serious as ignoring the risks entirely.


  • #314
    Stark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 21,377 ✭✭✭✭Stark


    Julia London wrote: »
    Glad a midwifes on here

    A midwife with an advertising degree at that: https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=68895316&postcount=1 . I wouldn't take up drinking based on the advice of someone who's telling a few fibs about what course they were doing in 2007.


  • #315
    Julia London
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24 ✭Julia London


    Whereas previously the occasional drink (one or two units once or twice a week) was considered OK for a pregnant woman, Government advice now states that pregnant women should avoid alcohol altogether.

    This is a link to what i think is a reputable source, could be wrong but its saying dont drink in first 3 mths.

    www.drinkaware.co.uk › Alcohol & you › FamilyCached


  • #316
    Julia London
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24 ✭Julia London


    Stark wrote: »
    A midwife with an advertising degree at that: https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=68895316&postcount=1 . I wouldn't take up drinking based on the advice of someone who's telling a few fibs about what course they were doing in 2007.
    Maybe she wasant get on as a midwife!


  • #317
    CroatoanCat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 98 ✭✭CroatoanCat


    Blatant attempt at "look at me, I'm just the perfect mammy-to-be, I am", OP!
    Serously, why can't can't people just concentrate on self-improvement - becoming a better parent, partner, worker, whatever; a better human - rather than seeking to impose their standards on others? It reeks of insecurity.


  • #318
    El Weirdo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,651 ✭✭✭✭El Weirdo


    Geansai Rua wrote: »
    When I was training to be a midwife in 2007 <snip>
    Mod: Are you actually a midwife, though?

    Even if you are, this really isn't the place to be giving what may be construed as medical advice by someone just doing a quick search and coming up with this thread.


  • #319
    Julia London
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24 ✭Julia London


    CroatoanCat wrote: »
    Blatant attempt at "look at me, I'm just the perfect mammy-to-be, I am", OP!
    Serously, why can't can't people just concentrate on self-improvement - becoming a better parent, partner, worker, whatever; a better human - rather than seeking to impose their standards on others? It reeks of insecurity.
    I dont think the OP is being insecure by raising this issue. The very fact this thread has revlealed so much ignorance about drinking and smoking while pregnant is brill. If one mother stops smoking because of this thread, then the threads great in my view


  • #320
    Abi
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,058 ✭✭✭✭Abi


    Stupify wrote: »
    Abi wrote: »
    I would have loved to have been in your shoes, theyd be fcuking sorry, to put it mildly. Excuse after excuse after excuse.

    Besides not giving your child the option of whether it would like a cigarette or not, it looks disgusting.

    You can go around saying "its wrong! Its wrong!" but wrong and right mean **** in this world.

    Power is the only thing that matters and the fact is in all these situations the power rests with the woman who is pregnant. She’s making the decisions and even with a poorly made decision such as smoking during pregnancy you don’t have any power to prevent her from taking that option.
    In which case she can't stop me from hurling abuse at her.


    I'm sure boards users that have smoked during pregnancy see me as an interfering wench, but I feel strongly about this as I was directly effected by it. For mothers that smoked during pregnancy years ago they could plead ignorance and lack of information, fine, but nowadays the information is there and doctors encourage the mothers to consider the child and give up.

    The smoking ban was set in place so the public that do not smoke weren't forced to inhale it. Pity an unborn baby couldn't voice their own objections, isn't it?


  • #321
    hondasam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,418 ✭✭✭✭hondasam


    Abi wrote: »
    In which case she can't stop me from hurling abuse at her.


    I'm sure boards users that have smoked during pregnancy see me as an interfering wench,

    I don't and I'm sure no one else does either, we all make choices in life that others do not agree with. We all have out own opinions.
    It was my choice to say I smoked, I could have kept quiet about it.


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  • #322
    Big Nasty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,066 ✭✭✭✭Big Nasty


    Abi wrote: »
    In which case she can't stop me from hurling abuse at her.


    I'm sure boards users that have smoked during pregnancy see me as an interfering wench, but I feel strongly about this as I was directly effected by it. For mothers that smoked during pregnancy years ago they could plead ignorance and lack of information, fine, but nowadays the information is there and doctors encourage the mothers to consider the child and give up.

    The smoking ban was set in place so the public that do not smoke weren't forced to inhale it. Pity an unborn baby couldn't voice their own objections, isn't it?

    From what I recall of a picture posted by you Abi not so long ago is that you've a fine pair of, eh....lungs, on ya altogether! :pac:


  • #323
    MellowToast
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 46 ✭MellowToast


    nope don't make it illegal. if they are stupid enough to do that to their unborn child then **** them.

    WE DON'T NEED LAWS FOR MORONS


  • #324
    az2wp0sye65487
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    Sharrow wrote: »
    Which studies, can you link to them?
    As the latest ones on drinking has said that the occasional drink can infact be good for expectant mothers.

    And if they are to be made illegal what would be the punishment for such crimes?

    So you're saying that a woman who doesn't drink should take up drinking once she becomes pregnant because it's good for her?


  • #325
    Zulu
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,967 ✭✭✭✭Zulu


    Amelia Tinkling Yoga wrote: »
    So you're saying that a woman who doesn't drink should take up drinking once she becomes pregnant because it's good for her?
    Sigh.

    No, the post reads: the occasional drink can infact be good for expectant mothers


  • #326
    Abi
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,058 ✭✭✭✭Abi


    hondasam wrote: »
    Abi wrote: »
    In which case she can't stop me from hurling abuse at her.


    I'm sure boards users that have smoked during pregnancy see me as an interfering wench,

    I don't and I'm sure no one else does either, we all make choices in life that others do not agree with. We all have out own opinions.
    It was my choice to say I smoked, I could have kept quiet about it.
    I think it was actually admirable that you admitted Sam, and in AH of all places. I had no intention joining the mob and give you a hard time over it. I hope you can see my angle too. To add insult to injury, both smoked heavily around me when I was growing up, and I incessantly have to clear my throat as a result. I have frequent serious coughs, that never seem to completely clear. Even typing this I've cleared my throat, and if I don't it bungs it up. I've this annoying shyte for life now.

    As I said earlier in the thread, I don't judge my mother for it, I'm a seventies baby. There wouldn't have been sufficient warnings then to really stop a mother in her tracks and rethink smoking.

    Ive never smoked, and never will. I've been effected, as have my siblings, and it will likely kill my parents too. Nothing good comes of it.
    MCMLXXV wrote: »
    Abi wrote: »
    In which case she can't stop me from hurling abuse at her.


    I'm sure boards users that have smoked during pregnancy see me as an interfering wench, but I feel strongly about this as I was directly effected by it. For mothers that smoked during pregnancy years ago they could plead ignorance and lack of information, fine, but nowadays the information is there and doctors encourage the mothers to consider the child and give up.

    The smoking ban was set in place so the public that do not smoke weren't forced to inhale it. Pity an unborn baby couldn't voice their own objections, isn't it?

    From what I recall of a picture posted by you Abi not so long ago is that you've a fine pair of, eh....lungs, on ya altogether! :pac:
    Haha :D


  • #327
    jaspertheghost
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 231 ✭✭jaspertheghost


    Off with their heads!!! Ah no twill never happen....


  • #328
    facemelter
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,266 ✭✭✭facemelter


    Abi wrote: »
    I would have loved to have been in your shoes, theyd be fcuking sorry, to put it mildly. Excuse after excuse after excuse.

    Besides not giving your child the option of whether it would like a cigarette or not, it looks disgusting.

    Its disgraceful and disgusting , but people are always going to do awful things. :rolleyes:


  • #329
    micropig
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,366 ✭✭✭micropig


    Amelia Tinkling Yoga wrote: »
    So you're saying that a woman who doesn't drink should take up drinking once she becomes pregnant because it's good for her?

    depends what the drink is, some women are advised by their doctors to drink an occasional glass of Guinness


  • #330
    Mindkiller
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,200 ✭✭✭Mindkiller


    micropig wrote: »
    depends what the drink is, some women are advised by their doctors to drink an occasional glass of Guinness

    Are they actually advised to do it though? Or is it just that Guinness has some minor medical benefits? I'm sure there's tons of better ways to get iron other than Guinness.


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  • #331
    hondasam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,418 ✭✭✭✭hondasam


    Abi wrote: »
    I think it was actually admirable that you admitted Sam, and in AH of all places. I had no intention joining the mob and give you a hard time over it. I hope you can see my angle too.

    Yes of course I can see your angle Abi. I did not think posters were having a go at me personally and if they were it went over my head.


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