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Pregnant women smoking and drinking

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  • #152
    Battered Mars Bar
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    analucija wrote: »
    Maybe also all the pregnant fat women should be put on supervised diet by their doctor every time they gain more weight than they should. Shouldn't they?

    Certainly something worth considering, good point.


  • #153
    billybudd
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    analucija wrote: »
    A lot of perfect people around. And no, I don't smoke and have only very occasional glass of wine when pregnant. Maybe also all the pregnant fat women should be put on supervised diet by their doctor every time they gain more weight than they should. Shouldn't they?



    Mmmmm we all love a bit of ethnic cleansing.


  • #154
    senordingdong
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,673 ✭✭✭✭senordingdong


    It's largely a certain type of 'mother' that does this.
    And second hand smoke in the womb is the least of these babies worries.


  • #155
    hondasam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,418 ✭✭✭✭hondasam


    senordingdong wrote: »
    It's largely a certain type of 'mother' that does this.
    And second hand smoke in the womb is the least of these babies worries.

    what do you mean by a 'certain type of mother'?


  • #156
    analucija
    Closed Accounts Posts: 363 ✭✭analucija


    Tayla wrote: »
    Analucija, any time these threads come up I make a point of saying how being overweight or obese is dangerous to the baby. At this stage everyone knows smoking while pregnant is dangerous but most people choose to ignore the risks of an unhealthy overweight pregnancy. There's too much denial in this country when it comes to weight .

    Healthier mammies will lead to healthier babies, what's wrong with wanting that?

    Nothing. I just think it's hypocritical that people complain about drinking and smoking and ignore overweight issues just because there is such a huge amount of fat pregnant women. But I also think that a pregnant woman you see smoking could have a cigarette or a drink once per month and perfect mummy brigade will have a fit. And yes I think that pregnant women shouldn't smoke or drink excessively and never ever get drunk. I'm just getting fed up with the nanny state obsessing about the smoking in general because it is the easy target. On the other hand nobody is pointing out that Irish are one of the fattest nations in Europe (comparisons are always conveniently done with UK or USA) and that there is for example way to little exercise in schools but it is a lot harder to change that than put up a sign Don't Smoke in the playground. As long it makes "I'm better than you" brigade happy I guess.


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  • #157
    billybudd
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    analucija wrote: »
    Nothing. I just think it's hypocritical that people complain about drinking and smoking and ignore overweight issues just because there is such a huge amount of fat pregnant women. But I also think that a pregnant woman you see smoking could have a cigarette or a drink once per month and perfect mummy brigade will have a fit. And yes I think that pregnant women shouldn't smoke or drink excessively and never ever get drunk. I'm just getting fed up with the nanny state obsessing about the smoking in general because it is the easy target. On the other hand nobody is pointing out that Irish are one of the fattest nations in Europe (comparisons are always conveniently done with UK or USA) and that there is for example way to little exercise in schools but it is a lot harder to change that than put up a sign Don't Smoke in the playground. As long it makes "I'm better than you" brigade happy I guess.


    MMM if something is processed or cooked government makes money unlike if its raw when sold they dont...... not really in their best interests to promote healthy from scratch eating is it?


  • #158
    Big Nasty
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    hondasam wrote: »
    what do you mean by a 'certain type of mother'?

    Ones who don't give a fcuk?


  • #159
    senordingdong
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,673 ✭✭✭✭senordingdong


    hondasam wrote: »
    what do you mean by a 'certain type of mother'?

    One that ignores the facts about what is and is not good for their children.


  • #160
    Tayla
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,158 ✭✭✭Tayla


    analucija wrote: »
    Nothing. I just think it's hypocritical that people complain about drinking and smoking and ignore overweight issues just because there is such a huge amount of fat pregnant women. But I also think that a pregnant woman you see smoking could have a cigarette or a drink once per month and perfect mummy brigade will have a fit. And yes I think that pregnant women shouldn't smoke or drink excessively and never ever get drunk. I'm just getting fed up with the nanny state obsessing about the smoking in general because it is the easy target. On the other hand nobody is pointing out that Irish are one of the fattest nations in Europe (comparisons are always conveniently done with UK or USA) and that there is for example way to little exercise in schools but it is a lot harder to change that than put up a sign Don't Smoke in the playground. As long it makes "I'm better than you" brigade happy I guess.


    I completely agree with everything you said there, I thought by your first post you were annoyed that I was complaining about fat pregnant women. My bad :)


  • #161
    hondasam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,418 ✭✭✭✭hondasam


    senordingdong wrote: »
    It's largely a certain type of 'mother' that does this.
    And second hand smoke in the womb is the least of these babies worries.
    senordingdong wrote: »
    One that ignores the facts about what is and is not good for their children.

    Yah right, that's what you meant all right.
    MCMLXXV wrote: »
    Ones who don't give a fcuk?

    Any mother that smokes doesn't give a fcuk about her children?


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  • #162
    senordingdong
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    Why don't you tell me what I meant Sam.


  • #163
    prinz
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    hondasam wrote: »
    Any mother that smokes doesn't give a fcuk about her children?

    She obviously doesn't give too much of a fcuk about the effect it could well be having in the womb anyway, otherwise she wouldn't be smoking while pregnant.


  • #164
    hondasam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,418 ✭✭✭✭hondasam


    senordingdong wrote: »
    Why don't you tell me what I meant Sam.

    No. you are the one that posted the comment but did not expand on what your really meant.
    senordingdong wrote: »
    It's largely a certain type of 'mother' that does this.
    And second hand smoke in the womb is the least of these babies worries.


  • #165
    Denise90
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 158 ✭✭Denise90


    Nobody can enforce this. If it were to be made illegal that would suggest that there would have to be a punishment involved for anyone breaking the rules (who is going to slap a couple of thousand euro fine on a pregnant woman in the middle of the street), not to mention a lot of legal loopholes to oppose it.. "I didn't know I was pregnant" being the main one. Also what about women in early pregnancy? Should they carry a sign? Or would the we have to keep an eye out for the woman with the lovely glow?

    As far as i've read before, alcohol has a more profound effect in the early stages of pregnancy while organs are developing... so by the time any other person could tell a woman is pregnant, the damage may already be done. Doesn't make a whole lot of sense imo.


  • #166
    Big Nasty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,066 ✭✭✭✭Big Nasty


    senordingdong wrote: »
    It's largely a certain type of 'mother' that does this.
    And second hand smoke in the womb is the least of these babies worries.
    hondasam wrote: »
    what do you mean by a 'certain type of mother'?
    MCMLXXV wrote: »
    Ones who don't give a fcuk?
    senordingdong wrote: »
    One that ignores the facts about what is and is not good for their children.
    hondasam wrote: »
    Yah right, that's what you meant all right.



    Any mother that smokes doesn't give a fcuk about her children?

    No - any mother who smokes while pregnant doesn't give a fcuk about her unborn child.


  • #167
    gerarda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 455 ✭✭gerarda


    Its the ultimate act of complete and utter selfishness.

    http://theworldhates.com/chavs/files/2009/11/chav-pregnant-lovely.jpg


  • #168
    hondasam
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    MCMLXXV wrote: »
    No - any mother who smokes while pregnant doesn't give a fcuk about her unborn child.

    Fair enough. That puts me in the category of not giving a fcuk about my child.


  • #169
    cynder
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    senordingdong wrote: »
    hondasam wrote: »
    what do you mean by a 'certain type of mother'?

    One that ignores the facts about what is and is not good for their children.

    I choose what is right and what is wrong for my child and my children, pc brigade says don't give a child coke well fcuk that, my daughter is diabetic and needs coke when her blood sugars drop. If that's at 8am in the morning it's at 8am. And if it's at 10pm at night it's at 10pm.

    My neighbors kid has cf and needs to eat fatty foods, she is 4 years old and the more fat she eats the better yet people would frown at her for giving her fatty food for breakfast.

    What is good for my child may not be good for someone else's and visa versa.

    I choose, not the government and not the pc brigade. And for someone to look down on me or call me a bad mother for giving my child a coke at 8am can go take a hike or a chill pill.


  • #170
    prinz
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    hondasam wrote: »
    Fair enough. That puts me in the category of not giving a fcuk about my child.

    Well you know the risks... but you chose to smoke anyway.....


  • #171
    prinz
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    grindelwald wrote: »
    I choose what is right and what is wrong for my child and my children, pc brigade says don't give a child ....

    ...and that's precisely why there's an obesity problem. Not to mention the problems associated with alcohol and nicotine consumption in the womb.


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  • #172
    hondasam
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    prinz wrote: »
    Well you know the risks... but you chose to smoke anyway.....

    Ya I'm the world's worst mother according to some people on here.

    There is one thing I'm good at and no one will ever tell me differently and that is I am a good mother. What other people think is up to them makes no difference to me.


  • #173
    prinz
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    hondasam wrote: »
    There is one thing I'm good at and no one will ever tell me differently and that is I am a good mother. What other people think is up to them makes no difference to me.

    ..and the women taking heroin while pregnant say the same thing, even while their babies are born suffering withdrawals that they themselves are afraid to deal with.


  • #174
    micropig
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,366 ✭✭✭micropig


    Did you blow smoke in on top of them asleep in the crib aswell? If not, Why not? surely it is cruel to give the child an nicotine addiction in the womb and then withdraw it when it's born?


  • #175
    cynder
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    prinz wrote: »
    grindelwald wrote: »
    I choose what is right and what is wrong for my child and my children, pc brigade says don't give a child ....

    ...and that's precisely why there's an obesity problem. Not to mention the problems associated with alcohol and nicotine consumption in the womb.

    But My kids are not over weight. And I take that view and always will. If my child was a fatty, I would cut down on portion sizes however they are healthy weights. So no action needed.

    More concern of mine would be illegal drug taking. That's far more dangerous than smoking and alcohol consumption.


  • #176
    token101
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    No you can't make it illegal but they are the scum of the earth for doing it.


  • #177
    hondasam
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    prinz wrote: »
    ..and the women taking heroin while pregnant say the same thing, even while their babies are born suffering withdrawals that they themselves are afraid to deal with.

    Hardly the same thing now is it?
    Me having a few cigs while pregnant does not make me a bad mother.
    What about all the mothers who smoke not knowing they are pregnant? some of them give up once the pregnancy is confirmed but they still smoked.


  • #178
    prinz
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    hondasam wrote: »
    Hardly the same thing now is it?

    Why not? You don't think newborns suffer from their addicitions to nicotine?


  • #179
    token101
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    grindelwald wrote: »
    I choose what is right and what is wrong for my child and my children, pc brigade says don't give a child coke well fcuk that, my daughter is diabetic and needs coke when her blood sugars drop. If that's at 8am in the morning it's at 8am. And if it's at 10pm at night it's at 10pm.

    My neighbors kid has cf and needs to eat fatty foods, she is 4 years old and the more fat she eats the better yet people would frown at her for giving her fatty food for breakfast.

    What is good for my child may not be good for someone else's and visa versa.

    I choose, not the government and not the pc brigade. And for someone to look down on me or call me a bad mother for giving my child a coke at 8am can go take a hike or a chill pill.

    This is about smoking though. Not the things you mentioned.


  • #180
    micropig
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,366 ✭✭✭micropig


    grindelwald wrote: »
    But My kids are not over weight. And I take that view and always will.


    That's because their growth is probably stunted from the smoking


    "I take that view and always will" -- even if they're 20 stone? that's not caring for your children, that would be ignoring the obvious and bordering on abuse
    hondasam wrote: »
    give up once the pregnancy is confirmed but they still smoked.
    This is the key, as for the ones that don't, once they find out, they are the same as the ones who smoke while just not caring


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  • #181
    hondasam
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    prinz wrote: »
    Why not? You don't think newborns suffer from their addicitions to nicotine?

    No unless it 20 a day everyday.


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