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Attention to those struggling to pay their bills

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  • 24-04-2012 6:50am
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    SMASH THE UNIONS
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    With the household charge, rising fuel prices and VAT increases, I'm sure many of you are feeling the squeeze. Well, you'll be glad to know that Ireland is not broke. We need to the extra money to reward our glorious civil servants with pay increases. Source

    Now before the token bleeding-heart, whose daddy probably works in the Dept of Finance, comes on here to cry "it's not the front-line staff getting these perks!" I say to you - we realize this. It's the fat cats who are already on outrageous wages getting the pay increases. When will Ireland get a right-wing leader with balls to stand up to these leeches? Sucking the lifeblood of the country as they hold us to ransom at knife-point. Fire them if they won't accept average wages. There are plenty of unemployed people willing to replace them. Incompetent, paper pushers who run crying to their employer if they are asked to do something they suspect is not in their contract, whether it be stapling two pages together or filling in a form.

    Keep running on the hamster wheel, folks. Labour need your taxes to fund their Union buddies luxurious lifestyles. Great country this is - where a librarian earns more than the Prime Minister of Spain.
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    #2
    Mr.Biscuits
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    Have Crunchy Nut Corn Flakes for your breakfast in future.


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    suicide_circus
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    Senior civil servants, worth their weight in gold so they are.


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    Kensington
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    We don't need a "right wing leader", just a TD who isn't a teacher, or who is married to a teacher, and has a bit of balls.


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    #5
    SMASH THE UNIONS
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    Mr.Biscuits wrote: »
    Have Crunchy Nut Corn Flakes for your breakfast in future.

    An intellectual heavyweight, aren't you? Keep slaving away to pay for the civil servants' holidays in the Bahamas. Good man.


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    Doc
    Registered Users Posts: 2,670 ✭✭✭Doc


    NATIONALISED bank AIB has repaid € 1.5 billion to unsecured bondholders
    a total bill this year of €90m for all public servants, including gardai, nurses and teachers.

    Yea its the civil servants pay increases thats crippling the economy.:rolleyes:


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    Toby Take a Bow
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    SMASH THE UNIONS wrote: »
    An intellectual heavyweight, aren't you? Keep slaving away to pay for the civil servants' holidays in the Bahamas. Good man.

    At least I haven't read a response about crunchy nut corn flakes before. I have read threads which are nearly identical to yours. This has been done to death. Just do a quick search for unions. Although, judging by your username, you seem like a bit of a one-trick pony.


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    true
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    Doc wrote: »
    Yea its the civil servants pay increases thats crippling the economy.

    Public service pay and pensions doubled from 9 billion to 18 billion in the space of 10 years....so yes, it is crippling the economy. What is really crippling the economy though is the poor performance by the regulator, central bank and government in regulating the economy over the past ten years...they are all part of the public service.


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    SMASH THE UNIONS
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    Doc wrote: »
    Yea its the civil servants pay increases thats crippling the economy.:rolleyes:

    Don't try to de-rail my thread by bringing the nationalisation of the banks into this. A civil servant, are you? I will say this one thing on the subject though: The nationalisation of a private company, such as a bank, is a socialist concept. The kind of thing that happened in the USSR and Cuba. Right-wing ideology would allow the bank to fail or succeed on its own merits. No government intervention allowed. I guess that's what Ireland gets for voting in Bertie "de socialist" as Taoiseach three consecutive time.


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    Hobbes
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    Mr.Biscuits wrote: »
    Have Crunchy Nut Corn Flakes for your breakfast in future.

    Or just get a job as a civil servant?


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    Doc
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    true wrote: »
    Public service pay and pensions doubled from 9 billion to 18 billion in the space of 10 years....so yes, it is crippling the economy. What is really crippling the economy though is the poor performance by the regulator, central bank and government in regulating the economy over the past ten years...they are all part of the public service.

    Where are you getting these figures of 18 billion?


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    Doc
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    SMASH THE UNIONS wrote: »
    Don't try to de-rail my thread by bringing the nationalisation of the banks into this. A civil servant, are you? I will say this one thing on the subject though: The nationalisation of a private company, such as a bank, is a socialist concept. The kind of thing that happened in the USSR and Cuba. Right-wing ideology would allow the bank to fail or succeed on its own merits. No government intervention allowed. I guess that's what Ireland gets for voting in Bertie "de socialist" as Taoiseach three consecutive time.

    No I'm not a civil servant and never have been but to blame all the woes of the economy on one sector like you seem to want to is stupid.


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    SMASH THE UNIONS
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    Toby Take a Bow wrote: »
    At least I haven't read a response about crunchy nut corn flakes before. I have read threads which are nearly identical to yours. This has been done to death. Just do a quick search for unions. Although, judging by your username, you seem like a bit of a one-trick pony.

    Then why is nothing being done about it if this thread pops up so often? Are you happy with the situation? That these civil servants are getting pay increases while more and more invented taxes are being piled onto the already hard-pressed average Irish family? Many households are lucky to have 100 euro left at the end of the month and now the government are demanding that with their new charge.


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    Benny_Cake
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    SMASH THE UNIONS wrote: »
    Don't try to de-rail my thread by bringing the nationalisation of the banks into this. A civil servant, are you? I will say this one thing on the subject though: The nationalisation of a private company, such as a bank, is a socialist concept. The kind of thing that happened in the USSR and Cuba. Right-wing ideology would allow the bank to fail or succeed on its own merits. No government intervention allowed. I guess that's what Ireland gets for voting in Bertie "de socialist" as Taoiseach three consecutive time.

    Pretty much every capitalist country has nationalised companies at one point or another, surely a captain of industry such as yourself realises that?


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    Toby Take a Bow
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    SMASH THE UNIONS wrote: »
    Then why is nothing being done about it if this thread pops up so often?

    You're posting a thread on a discussion board on the internet. What exactly did you think would happen when your finger quivered over the 'submit reply' button?
    SMASH THE UNIONS wrote: »
    Are you happy with the situation? That these civil servants are getting pay increases while more and more invented taxes are being piled onto the already hard-pressed average Irish family? Many households are lucky to have 100 euro left at the end of the month and now the government are demanding that with their new charge.

    Not happy with the situation at all, but when someone who calls themselves 'smash the unions' starts a thread which is apparently about the higher paid union members, I smell an agenda.


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    SMASH THE UNIONS
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    Benny_Cake wrote: »
    Pretty much every capitalist country has nationalised companies at one point or another, surely a captain of industry such as yourself realises that?

    Surprised to see so many civil servants up this early. Thought you lot didn't get outta bed before noon with your flexi-time arrangements. Nationalised companies may be necessary while a fledgling country is getting onto its feet. For example, Telecom Eireann was run by the state to provide a landline phone service to the population before there was a private company to do so. Nowadays, the consumer has the preferable option of choice of several phone companies, so they can decide which offers the best value. Would you be happy with a government-run monopoly? I remember when the government-owned Aer Lingus had a monopoly on flights to London, where they demanded artificially high prices of 400 euro for a return trip. Thankfully these days Ryanair provides the service for 40 euro. And that concludes today's economics lesson.


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    Benny_Cake
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    SMASH THE UNIONS wrote: »
    Surprised to see so many civil servants up this early. Thought you lot didn't get outta bed before noon with your flexi-time arrangements. Nationalised companies may be necessary while a fledgling country is getting onto its feet. For example, Telecom Eireann was run by the state to provide a landline phone service to the population before there was a private company to do so. Nowadays, the consumer has the preferable option of choice of several phone companies, so they can decide which offers the best value. Would you be happy with a government-run monopoly? I remember when the government-owned Aer Lingus had a monopoly on flights to London, where they demanded artificially high prices of 400 euro for a return trip. Thankfully these days Ryanair provides the service for 40 euro. And that concludes today's economics lesson.

    You understand as much about flexi-time as you do about anything else.


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    true
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    Toby Take a Bow wrote: »
    Not happy with the situation at all
    best you keep running on the hamster wheel, as Labour need your taxes to fund their Union buddies luxurious lifestyles


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    #19
    SMASH THE UNIONS
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    Toby Take a Bow wrote: »
    Not happy with the situation at all, but when someone who calls themselves 'smash the unions' starts a thread which is apparently about the higher paid union members, I smell an agenda.

    Umm, it's in the country's interest that these overpaid fat-cats have their wages slashed. They wouldn't last 2 seconds in the private sector. It's a minuscule minority who are benefiting from the misery of the vast majority of strained tax payers. Maybe it's those who defend the civil servants with the agenda? They have family working for government departments maybe? Strong leadership is what's needed to expel these parasites. What are we scared of? It's not like they have valued skill sets. They are glorified paper pushers. Anyone could do their jobs.


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    #20
    SMASH THE UNIONS
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    Don't SIPTU want to build a new union headquarters on the Liberty Hall site? Skyscrapers aren't cheap!! Run faster hamsters.


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    Doc
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    SMASH THE UNIONS wrote: »
    Surprised to see so many civil servants up this early. Thought you lot didn't get outta bed before noon with your flexi-time arrangements.

    Maybe he works for Hewlett-Packard or one of the 56% of companies in the EU27 that make use of flexitime practices.


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    #22
    SMASH THE UNIONS
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    Unions were necessary decades ago during the Industrial Revolution when children were being exploited by greedy "captains of industry". Nowadays the situation has completely reversed. The unions are the ones exploiting the taxpayer as they demand ever-increasing wages in a dire economic climate, while their job-for-life and long holidays are protected by the Crook Aggrandizing Agreement (Croke Park Agreement) with no accountability for standards.


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    true
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    Doc wrote: »
    Maybe he ......
    maybe he is a public service shift worker, posting at work


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    hattoncracker
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    true wrote: »
    Doc wrote: »
    Maybe he ......
    maybe he is a public service shift worker, posting at work


    I would say unemployed or retired..


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    Doc
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    true wrote: »
    maybe he is a public service shift worker, posting at work

    My point was that the public service was not the first place to introduce flextime nor is it the only place that uses it. Not everyone who works in the public service is even entitled to flextime. It’s all this bull**** that adds to the misinformation that people like the OP like to have spread about the public service.

    I'm sure there are people in the public service that don't deserve the pay they receive. I know that there are in the privet too. But to beat them all with the one big stick and say they are all bad is stupid.


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    SMASH THE UNIONS
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    Doc wrote: »
    I'm sure there are people in the public service that don't deserve the pay they receive. I know that there are in the privet too. But to beat them all with the one big stick and say they are all bad is stupid.

    I included this in my OP to pre-empt the above tired, lazy and over-used response:
    Now before the token bleeding-heart, whose daddy probably works in the Dept of Finance, comes on here to cry "it's not the front-line staff getting these perks!" I say to you - we realize this. It's the fat cats who are already on outrageous wages getting the pay increases.

    This isn't an attack on all public sector workers. It's an attack on those who are demanding wage increases while the rest of the country must take a hit to fund them.


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    true
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    Doc wrote: »
    I'm sure there are people in the public service that don't deserve the pay they receive.

    nor do they deserve double the sickies the private sector gets, the longer holidays, the better pension, the shorter working hours etc.
    The country is almost a case of the haves and the have nots , with those in the public sector being way over-represented in the "haves". Ask anyone who sells luxury goods / services which sector most of his customers comes from...


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    #28
    haminka
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    Viva la Revolucion!!!!!!

    Oh, sorry, that was the wrong slogan ...


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    #29
    Babybuff
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    I have a big box of porridge that I'm saving for when the famine kicks in


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    AboutTwoFiddy
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    SMASH THE UNIONS wrote: »
    An intellectual heavyweight, aren't you? Keep slaving away to pay for the civil servants' holidays in the Bahamas. Good man.

    Hey as part of a balanced diet they're not bad, no need to call him a fattie.


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    hondasam
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    true wrote: »
    nor do they deserve double the sickies the private sector gets, the longer holidays, the better pension, the shorter working hours etc.

    If you worked there would you refuse all these things? shorter working hours, what is this?


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