Attention to those struggling to pay their bills

SMASH THE UNIONS

With the household charge, rising fuel prices and VAT increases, I'm sure many of you are feeling the squeeze. Well, you'll be glad to know that Ireland is not broke. We need to the extra money to reward our glorious civil servants with pay increases. Source

Now before the token bleeding-heart, whose daddy probably works in the Dept of Finance, comes on here to cry "it's not the front-line staff getting these perks!" I say to you - we realize this. It's the fat cats who are already on outrageous wages getting the pay increases. When will Ireland get a right-wing leader with balls to stand up to these leeches? Sucking the lifeblood of the country as they hold us to ransom at knife-point. Fire them if they won't accept average wages. There are plenty of unemployed people willing to replace them. Incompetent, paper pushers who run crying to their employer if they are asked to do something they suspect is not in their contract, whether it be stapling two pages together or filling in a form.

Keep running on the hamster wheel, folks. Labour need your taxes to fund their Union buddies luxurious lifestyles. Great country this is - where a librarian earns more than the Prime Minister of Spain.

Mr.Biscuits

Have Crunchy Nut Corn Flakes for your breakfast in future.

suicide_circus

Senior civil servants, worth their weight in gold so they are.

Kensington

We don't need a "right wing leader", just a TD who isn't a teacher, or who is married to a teacher, and has a bit of balls.

SMASH THE UNIONS

Mr.Biscuits wrote: »

Have Crunchy Nut Corn Flakes for your breakfast in future.

An intellectual heavyweight, aren't you? Keep slaving away to pay for the civil servants' holidays in the Bahamas. Good man.

Doc

NATIONALISED bank AIB has repaid € 1.5 billion to unsecured bondholders

a total bill this year of €90m for all public servants, including gardai, nurses and teachers.

Yea its the civil servants pay increases thats crippling the economy.:rolleyes:

Toby Take a Bow

SMASH THE UNIONS wrote: »

An intellectual heavyweight, aren't you? Keep slaving away to pay for the civil servants' holidays in the Bahamas. Good man.

At least I haven't read a response about crunchy nut corn flakes before. I have read threads which are nearly identical to yours. This has been done to death. Just do a quick search for unions. Although, judging by your username, you seem like a bit of a one-trick pony.

true

Doc wrote: »

Yea its the civil servants pay increases thats crippling the economy.

Public service pay and pensions doubled from 9 billion to 18 billion in the space of 10 years....so yes, it is crippling the economy. What is really crippling the economy though is the poor performance by the regulator, central bank and government in regulating the economy over the past ten years...they are all part of the public service.

SMASH THE UNIONS

Doc wrote: »

Yea its the civil servants pay increases thats crippling the economy.:rolleyes:

Don't try to de-rail my thread by bringing the nationalisation of the banks into this. A civil servant, are you? I will say this one thing on the subject though: The nationalisation of a private company, such as a bank, is a socialist concept. The kind of thing that happened in the USSR and Cuba. Right-wing ideology would allow the bank to fail or succeed on its own merits. No government intervention allowed. I guess that's what Ireland gets for voting in Bertie "de socialist" as Taoiseach three consecutive time.

Hobbes

Mr.Biscuits wrote: »

Have Crunchy Nut Corn Flakes for your breakfast in future.

Or just get a job as a civil servant?

Doc

true wrote: »

Public service pay and pensions doubled from 9 billion to 18 billion in the space of 10 years....so yes, it is crippling the economy. What is really crippling the economy though is the poor performance by the regulator, central bank and government in regulating the economy over the past ten years...they are all part of the public service.

Where are you getting these figures of 18 billion?

Doc

SMASH THE UNIONS wrote: »

Don't try to de-rail my thread by bringing the nationalisation of the banks into this. A civil servant, are you? I will say this one thing on the subject though: The nationalisation of a private company, such as a bank, is a socialist concept. The kind of thing that happened in the USSR and Cuba. Right-wing ideology would allow the bank to fail or succeed on its own merits. No government intervention allowed. I guess that's what Ireland gets for voting in Bertie "de socialist" as Taoiseach three consecutive time.

No I'm not a civil servant and never have been but to blame all the woes of the economy on one sector like you seem to want to is stupid.

SMASH THE UNIONS

Toby Take a Bow wrote: »

At least I haven't read a response about crunchy nut corn flakes before. I have read threads which are nearly identical to yours. This has been done to death. Just do a quick search for unions. Although, judging by your username, you seem like a bit of a one-trick pony.

Then why is nothing being done about it if this thread pops up so often? Are you happy with the situation? That these civil servants are getting pay increases while more and more invented taxes are being piled onto the already hard-pressed average Irish family? Many households are lucky to have 100 euro left at the end of the month and now the government are demanding that with their new charge.

Benny_Cake

SMASH THE UNIONS wrote: »

Don't try to de-rail my thread by bringing the nationalisation of the banks into this. A civil servant, are you? I will say this one thing on the subject though: The nationalisation of a private company, such as a bank, is a socialist concept. The kind of thing that happened in the USSR and Cuba. Right-wing ideology would allow the bank to fail or succeed on its own merits. No government intervention allowed. I guess that's what Ireland gets for voting in Bertie "de socialist" as Taoiseach three consecutive time.

Pretty much every capitalist country has nationalised companies at one point or another, surely a captain of industry such as yourself realises that?

Toby Take a Bow

SMASH THE UNIONS wrote: »

Then why is nothing being done about it if this thread pops up so often?

You're posting a thread on a discussion board on the internet. What exactly did you think would happen when your finger quivered over the 'submit reply' button?

SMASH THE UNIONS wrote: »

Are you happy with the situation? That these civil servants are getting pay increases while more and more invented taxes are being piled onto the already hard-pressed average Irish family? Many households are lucky to have 100 euro left at the end of the month and now the government are demanding that with their new charge.

Not happy with the situation at all, but when someone who calls themselves 'smash the unions' starts a thread which is apparently about the higher paid union members, I smell an agenda.

SMASH THE UNIONS

Benny_Cake wrote: »

Pretty much every capitalist country has nationalised companies at one point or another, surely a captain of industry such as yourself realises that?

Surprised to see so many civil servants up this early. Thought you lot didn't get outta bed before noon with your flexi-time arrangements. Nationalised companies may be necessary while a fledgling country is getting onto its feet. For example, Telecom Eireann was run by the state to provide a landline phone service to the population before there was a private company to do so. Nowadays, the consumer has the preferable option of choice of several phone companies, so they can decide which offers the best value. Would you be happy with a government-run monopoly? I remember when the government-owned Aer Lingus had a monopoly on flights to London, where they demanded artificially high prices of 400 euro for a return trip. Thankfully these days Ryanair provides the service for 40 euro. And that concludes today's economics lesson.

Benny_Cake

SMASH THE UNIONS wrote: »

Surprised to see so many civil servants up this early. Thought you lot didn't get outta bed before noon with your flexi-time arrangements. Nationalised companies may be necessary while a fledgling country is getting onto its feet. For example, Telecom Eireann was run by the state to provide a landline phone service to the population before there was a private company to do so. Nowadays, the consumer has the preferable option of choice of several phone companies, so they can decide which offers the best value. Would you be happy with a government-run monopoly? I remember when the government-owned Aer Lingus had a monopoly on flights to London, where they demanded artificially high prices of 400 euro for a return trip. Thankfully these days Ryanair provides the service for 40 euro. And that concludes today's economics lesson.

You understand as much about flexi-time as you do about anything else.

true

Toby Take a Bow wrote: »

Not happy with the situation at all

best you keep running on the hamster wheel, as Labour need your taxes to fund their Union buddies luxurious lifestyles

SMASH THE UNIONS

Toby Take a Bow wrote: »

Not happy with the situation at all, but when someone who calls themselves 'smash the unions' starts a thread which is apparently about the higher paid union members, I smell an agenda.

Umm, it's in the country's interest that these overpaid fat-cats have their wages slashed. They wouldn't last 2 seconds in the private sector. It's a minuscule minority who are benefiting from the misery of the vast majority of strained tax payers. Maybe it's those who defend the civil servants with the agenda? They have family working for government departments maybe? Strong leadership is what's needed to expel these parasites. What are we scared of? It's not like they have valued skill sets. They are glorified paper pushers. Anyone could do their jobs.

SMASH THE UNIONS

Don't SIPTU want to build a new union headquarters on the Liberty Hall site? Skyscrapers aren't cheap!! Run faster hamsters.

Doc

SMASH THE UNIONS wrote: »

Surprised to see so many civil servants up this early. Thought you lot didn't get outta bed before noon with your flexi-time arrangements.

Maybe he works for Hewlett-Packard or one of the 56% of companies in the EU27 that make use of flexitime practices.

SMASH THE UNIONS

Unions were necessary decades ago during the Industrial Revolution when children were being exploited by greedy "captains of industry". Nowadays the situation has completely reversed. The unions are the ones exploiting the taxpayer as they demand ever-increasing wages in a dire economic climate, while their job-for-life and long holidays are protected by the Crook Aggrandizing Agreement (Croke Park Agreement) with no accountability for standards.

true

Doc wrote: »

Maybe he ......

maybe he is a public service shift worker, posting at work

hattoncracker

true wrote: »

Doc wrote: »

Maybe he ......

maybe he is a public service shift worker, posting at work

I would say unemployed or retired..

Doc

true wrote: »

maybe he is a public service shift worker, posting at work

My point was that the public service was not the first place to introduce flextime nor is it the only place that uses it. Not everyone who works in the public service is even entitled to flextime. It’s all this bull**** that adds to the misinformation that people like the OP like to have spread about the public service.

I'm sure there are people in the public service that don't deserve the pay they receive. I know that there are in the privet too. But to beat them all with the one big stick and say they are all bad is stupid.

SMASH THE UNIONS

Doc wrote: »

I'm sure there are people in the public service that don't deserve the pay they receive. I know that there are in the privet too. But to beat them all with the one big stick and say they are all bad is stupid.

I included this in my OP to pre-empt the above tired, lazy and over-used response:

Now before the token bleeding-heart, whose daddy probably works in the Dept of Finance, comes on here to cry "it's not the front-line staff getting these perks!" I say to you - we realize this. It's the fat cats who are already on outrageous wages getting the pay increases.

This isn't an attack on all public sector workers. It's an attack on those who are demanding wage increases while the rest of the country must take a hit to fund them.

true

Doc wrote: »

I'm sure there are people in the public service that don't deserve the pay they receive.

nor do they deserve double the sickies the private sector gets, the longer holidays, the better pension, the shorter working hours etc.
The country is almost a case of the haves and the have nots , with those in the public sector being way over-represented in the "haves". Ask anyone who sells luxury goods / services which sector most of his customers comes from...

haminka

Viva la Revolucion!!!!!!

Oh, sorry, that was the wrong slogan ...

Babybuff

I have a big box of porridge that I'm saving for when the famine kicks in

AboutTwoFiddy

SMASH THE UNIONS wrote: »

An intellectual heavyweight, aren't you? Keep slaving away to pay for the civil servants' holidays in the Bahamas. Good man.

Hey as part of a balanced diet they're not bad, no need to call him a fattie.

hondasam

true wrote: »

nor do they deserve double the sickies the private sector gets, the longer holidays, the better pension, the shorter working hours etc.

If you worked there would you refuse all these things? shorter working hours, what is this?

b.harte

Misleading thread title is misleading.
What has this got to do with people struggling to pay bills?
Unless you want do arrange for the public service fat cats to give short term credit facilities to those struggling?
Or, maybe get those working in the P.S. to indirectly pay for those with low/no means through increases in taxes and levies and a loss of some income.
Oh wait, THEY ALREADY DO!!!
As do the private sector.
Enough of the P.S bashing B.S. unless you can come up with a sensible solution.

F.Y.I. I'm struggling to pay my bills, but it's not the P.S. workers fault.

lividduck

SMASH THE UNIONS wrote: »

With the household charge, rising fuel prices and VAT increases, I'm sure many of you are feeling the squeeze. Well, you'll be glad to know that Ireland is not broke. We need to the extra money to reward our glorious civil servants with pay increases. Source

Now before the token bleeding-heart, whose daddy probably works in the Dept of Finance, comes on here to cry "it's not the front-line staff getting these perks!" I say to you - we realize this. It's the fat cats who are already on outrageous wages getting the pay increases. When will Ireland get a right-wing leader with balls to stand up to these leeches? Sucking the lifeblood of the country as they hold us to ransom at knife-point. Fire them if they won't accept average wages. There are plenty of unemployed people willing to replace them. Incompetent, paper pushers who run crying to their employer if they are asked to do something they suspect is not in their contract, whether it be stapling two pages together or filling in a form.

Keep running on the hamster wheel, folks. Labour need your taxes to fund their Union buddies luxurious lifestyles. Great country this is - where a librarian earns more than the Prime Minister of Spain.

Freddie59, welcome back!

Rabidlamb

I'm going out on a limb here but I don't believe that the OP likes Public Service workers & despises their Unions.
Lets call it a hunch.

Mr Benevolent

Hey, I see a troll!

OldGoat

true wrote: »

nor do they deserve double the sickies the private sector gets, the longer holidays, the better pension, the shorter working hours etc.

You are missing out, you should see your union.

smash

WTF has this got to do with paying your bills?

Lord TSC

Another day, another teacher bashing thread. Do love how this one tried to be subtle for....oh...a few sentences....

Doc Ruby

Kensington wrote: »

We don't need a "right wing leader", just a TD who isn't a teacher, or who is married to a teacher, and has a bit of balls.

I'd seig heil to that fuhrer. Well I wouldn't as I'm not a blueshirt but as much as the dedicated public workers might not like it, Smash does have a point. Everyone can see the public sector smirking out from under Croke Park while the rest of the country goes into spasms and the economy contracts because of new taxes. It was a bad idea then and its a bad idea now.

How about we cut the cloth according to our means, bite the bullet, and take a sharp knife to the huge middle management in places like the HSE and civil service. Subcontractors, quangos, consultants, librarians earning more than the Prime Minister of Spain, a country of 46 million people. Damn the strikes and damn the political favouritism that has landed us in this mess, which isn't politics at all but interlocking rings of extortion worthy of any schoolyard.

Spending went through the roof during the bubble. Spending hasn't dropped. I'll pay my taxes merrily but you can be damn sure I'll demand value for money, which I'm not getting now.

don ramo

SMASH THE UNIONS wrote: »

An intellectual heavyweight, aren't you? Keep slaving away to pay for the civil servants' holidays in the Bahamas. Good man.

ha ha, so going by this quote, Mr "union", either A) doesn't work and is being paid by our tax money, or doesn't live in Ireland therefore doesn't contribute to our taxes

i wonder if we can get a happy day for boards.ie or maybe just After Hours, where any depressing/annoying sh1te like this isn't allowed be posted for 24 hours,

SEPT 23 1989

These people are leeches

bamboozle

smash wrote: »

WTF has this got to do with paying your bills?

well if the state wasnt struggling to increase revenue to narrow the 15 billion gap between tax receipts and state payments we wouldnt be looking at increased taxes, water charges, household charges etc.

aside from the banking fiasco this state has a current expenditure 15 billion gap between what it spends and what it takes in. If this gap didnt exist we wouldnt be stung left right and centre with taxes be they stealth or otherwise.

saa

don ramo wrote: »

i wonder if we can get a happy day for boards.ie or maybe just After Hours, where any depressing/annoying sh1te like this isn't allowed be posted for 24 hours,

Or that those on a mission spend less time on boards trying to fight the good fight with people who arent going to do anything obviously as they are the type of people who spend time on forums :pac: or don't care.

Maybe I'll start a thread based merely on my own opinions, obviously backed up by some vague pseudo activist quotes, say everything i a mess and demand you not only to do something about it, get angry but also agree with me.

..or I could do something that would make a difference like posting in the comments of the Daily Mail about how everythings gone down the swany.
wo0t

bfocusd

There are many people being paid for doing nothing in government positions, I worked for a semi state body in 2010 and they create work for themselves, for instance, if the printer needed paper, I was not aloud to touch it, the procedure was to email I.T. They would then mail facilities who would bring the block of paper to the required floor as I.T. Were not aloud to carry it, they hadn't sufficient training! Then I.T. Would fill the printer and I could collect my documents!

It was against the rules to turn on the printer, you had to again mail I.T.

Wtf is that all about?! In other offices I'd of done it myself I am more than capable to!

If sh!t hit the fan and someone screwed up the only thing ever said was try better next time! There was never any disciplinary action no matter how bad people were because no one has the authority.. That's it all over! No one has the right to tell people off because they are all in it together..

Personally I hated working there, I can't sit back for three hours waiting for I.T. To arrive to turn on the printer!

It's just one joke after another and very frustrating but the sector I am in has been known to be like this for a very long time.

people I know whom worked in other areas during the boom, often told me if how they would receive an email, open the document and print, thats all they done a few times a day, they were on in excess of 45k a year!


It cannot be justified.

syklops

SMASH THE UNIONS wrote: »

Don't SIPTU want to build a new union headquarters on the Liberty Hall site? Skyscrapers aren't cheap!! Run faster hamsters.

Way to alienate, well, everyone.

Rabidlamb

Nobody can blame a PS employee from hiding behind the CPA, they're not idiots, they know it was the deal of the century.
Those of us in the private sector are envious that we weren't in the same position to strike such a deal.

The only sanction they will suffer is zero public sympathy when the inevitable cuts & strikes fall.

Doc Ruby

Rabidlamb wrote: »

Those of us in the private sector are envious that we weren't in the same position to strike such a deal.

If those of us in the private sector had tried it the company would have gone bankrupt and there would be jobs for none. It just takes a lot longer to bankrupt a country.

davet82

i often wonder if the government did slash the PS pay bill and erased their pensions ect ect... and the country is still in shyte whos fault would it be then

WoollyRedHat

syklops wrote: »

Way to alienate, well, everyone.

Except Gerbils

sbsquarepants

My girlfriends father would have been classed as a senior civil servant. He retired a couple of years ago on a big pension, golden handshake all the usual perks. However, he still works for them part time, because apparently no one else has his "expertise". Now, in his defense, he is the diligent, straight as an arrow type, but this situation is plainly ridiculous. Paying retired people to do the work that current employees can't do, or wont do for some reason or another is idiotic. Somehow private companies always seem to manage to avoid these type of situations. For example they ensure that a replacement has been brought up to speed before the first one retires. People don't retire on a whim in the vast majority of cases. This guy retired almost 3 years ago, not yesterday! The civil service seems to exist largely to haemorrhage money as far as i can tell. Efficiency is a dirty word to them.
Presumably if this guy gets hit by a car the fúcking country will have to stop.

Logical Fallacy

SMASH THE UNIONS wrote: »

Now before the token bleeding-heart, whose daddy probably works in the Dept of Finance, comes on here to cry "it's not the front-line staff getting these perks!" I say to you - we realize this.

Well, as you are the one who said it i guess you are the bleeding-heart.

Hope your daddy enjoys his job with the Dept of Finance.