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Should Ireland reintroduce capital punishment?

  • 23-04-2012 10:22AM
    #1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 67 ✭✭


    Sorry Mods if there is a thread on this already. And feel free to move to another forum if need be.

    For violent crimes I seriously believe that capital punishment should exist in this country, for crimes such as murder, rape, drug dealing, gang membership, several criminal records, espionage/treason and perjury resulting in the imprisonment of an innocent person.

    I was just reading this article and I can understand that execution was postponed due her being pregnant, as killing her while pregnant is essentially a forced abortion. But I am absolutely gob-smacked that her execution has been reduced to life without parole.

    http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2012/03/16/sacramento-mom-accused-of-microwaving-baby-pleads-not-guilty/

    Again mods, sorry if there is a similar thread so feel free to lock / move or pm me if there is an issue.

    Should capital punishment be reintroduced? 292 votes

    Definitely.
    0% 0 votes
    Absolutely not.
    22% 66 votes
    Only in sever cases.
    45% 132 votes
    No forced labour camps would be better.
    15% 45 votes
    Justice system is fair enough as it currently is.
    16% 49 votes


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Comments

  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,815 ✭✭✭tigger123


    The death penalty is state sanctioned murder, no more, no less. And it's also revenge, not justice IMO. Nobody has the right to take the life of another human being.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,897 ✭✭✭MagicSean


    I'd rather they just kept people in prison for the time they are given.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,433 ✭✭✭✭Mr Benevolent


    tigger123 wrote: »
    The death penalty is state sanctioned murder, no more, no less. And it's also revenge, not justice IMO. Nobody has the right to take the life of another human being.

    But state sanctioned murder is quite normal, otherwise what's the army for?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,050 ✭✭✭token101


    Sorry Mods if there is a thread on this already. And feel free to move to another forum if need be.

    For violent crimes I seriously believe that capital punishment should exist in this country, for crimes such as murder, rape, drug dealing, gang membership, several criminal records, espionage/treason and perjury resulting in the imprisonment of an innocent person.

    I was just reading this article and I can understand that execution was postponed due her being pregnant, as killing her while pregnant is essentially a forced abortion. But I am absolutely gob-smacked that her execution has been reduced to life without parole.

    http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2012/03/16/sacramento-mom-accused-of-microwaving-baby-pleads-not-guilty/

    Again mods, sorry if there is a similar thread so feel free to lock / move or pm me if there is an issue.

    How very liberal of you :pac: You want to kill people for perjury?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,369 ✭✭✭✭ejmaztec


    MagicSean wrote: »
    I'd rather they just kept people in prison for a lot more time than they are given at the moment.

    fyp


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 67 ✭✭bananarama22


    token101 wrote: »
    How very liberal of you :pac: You want to kill people for perjury?


    Well perjury which results in the execution or imprisonment of an innocent person...

    Not for silly things like "I'm sorry your honour, but I forgot I had no insurance or TV license", WINK WINK ;):cool:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,815 ✭✭✭tigger123


    Confab wrote: »
    But state sanctioned murder is quite normal, otherwise what's the army for?

    I don't agree with an army killing people either.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,050 ✭✭✭token101


    Confab wrote: »
    But state sanctioned murder is quite normal, otherwise what's the army for?

    What???

    The army, in theory, is for defending a country. Whilst that's not always what it's used for, that's what it's supposed to be for. Not slaughtering people. When was the last time the Irish army murdered someone?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,815 ✭✭✭tigger123


    Well perjury which results in the execution or imprisonment of an innocent person...

    Not for silly things like "I'm sorry your honour, but I forgot I had no insurance or TV license", WINK WINK ;):cool:

    So, you do believe in the death penalty for no insurance or TV licence? ... WINK WINK ???


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,210 ✭✭✭hightower1


    I agree OP, bring it in. For the most serious of crimes only of course.
    Criminas in this ountry hav escillated their activities and clearly do not fer the justice system. Lets give them something to fear.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 67 ✭✭bananarama22


    tigger123 wrote: »
    So, you do believe in the death penalty for no insurance or TV licence? ... WINK WINK ???


    NO !!! Read my post :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,161 ✭✭✭frag420


    I used to believe in an eye for an eye. However as has happened time and time again people have been found to be inncocent after new evidence pops up, advances in DNA, investigative techniques etc. Death is too immediate and final.

    I do believe in labour camps though. Let these muderous, thieving, raping scumbags give something back to society bu making them clean roads, build schools or whatever. It would save a lot of labour costs, they may learn a skill should they ever get released. I know it is not very practical and there would be security cost for having crims outside prison walls cleaning up somewhere or building a rd but I would rather that than paying to have them sit on their arsehole in a cell doing nothing.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,656 ✭✭✭El Inho


    no because a life of imprisonment is MUCH better than offing them.

    but, the life of imprisonment in Ireland is far too good.

    They should be made sing for their supper. Working in chain gangs on potholes etc. I actually can't understand why this has never been implemented in Ireland. Also there meals should cos practically nothing!

    Great example in America I can't think of who makes them all wear pink :D

    But yeah...guess this is kinda all inmates, but this is one way of showing how they are more valuable dead than alive


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,161 ✭✭✭frag420


    :rolleyes:


    great mind think alike!!


  • Posts: 5,780 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    No, they all just need a good hiding when they are kids. Problem sorted.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,455 ✭✭✭✭Monty Burnz


    eldwaro wrote: »
    no because a life of imprisonment is MUCH better than offing them.
    'Life' in Ireland is about 15 years these days. Murder someone when you are twenty and you'll almost certainly be out in your thirties. And of course many killers are only convicted of manslaughter.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 793 ✭✭✭jaja321


    It has no place in a civilised society IMO. It serves no purpose, only to enact revenge.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 32,865 ✭✭✭✭MagicMarker


    No.

    /thread


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,369 ✭✭✭✭ejmaztec


    The rest of the EU countries wouldn't be very happy if it were reintroduced here.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,850 ✭✭✭Cianos


    There have been many threads on this before.
    • Executing someone costs more than incarcerating them for life.
    • Stats show that it is an ineffective deterrent for serious crimes.
    • Many innocent people have had their names cleared after years of imprisonment due to the advancement of technology. The death penalty will mean killing innocent people.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 67 ✭✭bananarama22


    ejmaztec wrote: »
    The rest of the EU countries wouldn't be very happy if it were reintroduced here.

    Then tell the EU to fcek off :-P
    Some of the hard-right politicians in the UK want to reinstate it.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 67 ✭✭bananarama22


    Cianos wrote: »
    There have been many threads on this before.
    • Executing someone costs more than incarcerating them for life.
    • Stats show that it is an ineffective deterrent for serious crimes.
    • Many innocent people have had their names cleared after years of imprisonment due to the advancement of technology. The death penalty will mean killing innocent people.


    Without sounding facetious, a firing squad consisting of 10 people, (with approximately €2 per bullet ?? ) .. the guns are obviously reusable. Keeping a prisoner in jail costs several thousand per year alone. If the death penalty will never be reintroduced, I would like to see forced labout as one previous gentleman on this thread suggested. But oviously the over zealous civil service and unions would get their knickers in a twist with their "dey tuk er jerbs" jive.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,395 ✭✭✭✭mikemac1


    And the UK are incompetant, couldn't find a killer for Jill Dando so they stictched up a local man who was vunerable and not mentally well
    I would like to see forced labout as one previous gentleman on this thread suggested. But oviously the over zealous civil service and unions would get their knickers in a twist with their "dey tuk er jerbs" jive.

    Not realy and it has nothing to do with the civil service but maybe the councils

    For one example, Fingal cut back on cleaning their beaches, there's a good job for prisioners

    Taking nobodys job as Fingal are not doing it


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,369 ✭✭✭✭ejmaztec


    Then tell the EU to fcek off :-P
    Some of the hard-right politicians in the UK want to reinstate it.

    They'd be telling us to do that.

    There are always right-wing politicians, and brainless tabloid readers who want the death penalty reintroduced, but thankfully those Neanderthals never get a look in.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,687 ✭✭✭✭jack presley



    I was just reading this article and I can understand that execution was postponed due her being pregnant, as killing her while pregnant is essentially a forced abortion. But I am absolutely gob-smacked that her execution has been reduced to life without parole.

    http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2012/03/16/sacramento-mom-accused-of-microwaving-baby-pleads-not-guilty/

    .

    An I missing something OP? That woman hasn't even gone on trial yet so how can her sentence be reduced? And even if (when) she is found guilty, an execution would takes years to be carried so if she is pregnant at the moment (no mention in that article) her kid would probably be a teenager before she was executed.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 67 ✭✭bananarama22


    mikemac1 wrote: »
    And the UK are incompetant, couldn't find a killer for Jill Dando so they stictched up a local man who was vunerable and not mentally well



    Not realy and it has nothing to do with the civil service but maybe the councils

    For one example, Fingal cut back on cleaning their beaches, there's a good job for prisioners

    Taking nobodys job as Fingal are not doing it

    True, but you know the public sector :p Jerbs fer de bhoys :pac:
    Besides you'd have a bunch of liberal clowns protesting about it. Prisoners out in public cleaning beaches might be a security threat and take away from the pleasantness and serenity of walking on the bach or a child playing on the beach.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 67 ✭✭bananarama22


    An I missing something OP? That woman hasn't even gone on trial yet so how can her sentence be reduced? And even if (when) she is found guilty, an execution would takes years to be carried so if she is pregnant at the moment (no mention in that article) her kid would probably be a teenager before she was executed.


    But it says prosecuters are not looking for execution.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,850 ✭✭✭Cianos


    Without sounding facetious, a firing squad consisting of 10 people, (with approximately €2 per bullet ?? ) .. the guns are obviously reusable. Keeping a prisoner in jail costs several thousand per year alone. If the death penalty will never be reintroduced, I would like to see forced labout as one previous gentleman on this thread suggested. But oviously the over zealous civil service and unions would get their knickers in a twist with their "dey tuk er jerbs" jive.

    The costs are mainly legal. It's not just a case of taking the accused and leading him out the door to be killed. There's a lot more to it than that, and rightly so.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,369 ✭✭✭✭ejmaztec


    But it says prosecuters are not looking for execution.

    Probably because the woman is nuts.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,395 ✭✭✭✭mikemac1


    Besides you'd have a bunch of liberal clowns protesting about it. Prisoners out in public cleaning beaches might be a security threat and take away from the pleasantness and serenity of walking on the bach or a child playing on the beach.

    Which is why you send them out during the summer around six am

    They'd be back in prision by nine am :)
    Nobody on the beach at that hour only joggers and they can look after themselves


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