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Ched Evans

  • 21-04-2012 12:27AM
    #1
    midlandsmissus
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,838 ✭✭✭midlandsmissus


    Ched Evans. Convicted and sentenced to five years for raping a girl . Fair play to her for bringing him to court, and fair play to the justice system for not letting him get away with it.
    There are some absolutely horrific comments on twitter though blaming the woman (19 yr old girl) as usual and calling her a slag, all by men as so far as I've read. Actually brought a tear to my eye reading some of them.

    Thoughts on it all?


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Comments

  • #2
    Redzer7
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,211 ✭✭✭Redzer7


    He's a scumbag!


  • #3
    Born to Die
    Closed Accounts Posts: 830 ✭✭✭Born to Die


    Who is Ched Evans?

    Off to Google again.


  • #4
    Princess Consuela Bananahammock
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,779 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    Footballer convicted of rape. What makes him more different than all the other rapists, I do not know.

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • #5
    Sir Digby Chicken Caesar
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 23,554 ✭✭✭✭Sir Digby Chicken Caesar


    what evidence is there it was rape?
    according to the bbc article the main thing that led the jury to believe the woman was too drunk to give consent was she stumbled in a cctv video

    so now can any woman get drunk, sleep with a man and then if she regrets it in the morning go to the police so no one thinks shes a slut?


  • #6
    El Weirdo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,651 ✭✭✭✭El Weirdo


    Coventry City are drawing up a contract in anticipation of his release as we speak.


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  • #7
    senorwipesalot
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,458 ✭✭✭senorwipesalot


    Yeah,I knew there was something dodgy about that foxy bastard the first time I watched that TFI Friday sh1te.


  • #8
    cian68
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 894 ✭✭✭cian68


    Sir Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: »
    so now can any woman get drunk, sleep with a man and then if she regrets it in the morning go to the police so no one thinks shes a slut?

    If she was so drunk that he could be seen as having taken advantage of her then I think yes. Hasn't it been this way for quite some time?


  • #9
    drkpower
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,474 ✭✭✭drkpower


    What i dont understand is, if the basis of the conviction was that the victim could not consent by virtue of her being incapable due to drink, why did evans get convicted and mcdonald was acquitted?

    Anyone know if there is a judgment available?


  • #10
    Redzer7
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,211 ✭✭✭Redzer7


    Sir Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: »
    what evidence is there it was rape?
    according to the bbc article the main thing that led the jury to believe the woman was too drunk to give consent was she stumbled in a cctv video

    so now can any woman get drunk, sleep with a man and then if she regrets it in the morning go to the police so no one thinks shes a slut?
    Probably best off checking the thread in the soccer forum man, a bit more info over there.

    Edit: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056612979


  • #11
    El Weirdo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,651 ✭✭✭✭El Weirdo


    Sir Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: »
    what evidence is there it was rape?
    according to the bbc article the main thing that led the jury to believe the woman was too drunk to give consent was she stumbled in a cctv video

    so now can any woman get drunk, sleep with a man and then if she regrets it in the morning go to the police so no one thinks shes a slut?
    Do you really believe that all the evidence heard by the jury is contained in that BBC article?


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  • #12
    Sir Digby Chicken Caesar
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    cian68 wrote: »
    If she was so drunk that he could be seen as having taken advantage of her then I think yes. Hasn't it been this way for quite some time?

    and how do you decide if she was too drunk, and what is too drunk? can any woman not just say she was too drunk after the fact and go to the police?

    if she was so drunk she couldnt stand and was dragged onto a bed then I wouldnt have a problem with a conviction but just "too drunk to give consent" seems horribly vague to ruin a mans career and give him 5 years in prison.


  • #13
    midlandsmissus
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,838 ✭✭✭midlandsmissus


    Sir Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: »
    what evidence is there it was rape?
    according to the bbc article the main thing that led the jury to believe the woman was too drunk to give consent was she stumbled in a cctv video

    so now can any woman get drunk, sleep with a man and then if she regrets it in the morning go to the police so no one thinks shes a slut?

    Read the ****ing case details. She woke up in the hotel alone and naked with zero memory of how she got there or who she had been with. Her friend testified that the next morning she was shocked, scared and confused.

    CCTV shows her staggering around extremely intoxicated.

    YES, if you are too drunk to consent it is rape, of course it is!


  • #14
    eviltwin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    Sir Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: »
    and how do you decide if she was too drunk, and what is too drunk? can any woman not just say she was too drunk after the fact and go to the police?

    if she was so drunk she couldnt stand and was dragged onto a bed then I wouldnt have a problem with a conviction but just "too drunk to give consent" seems horribly vague to ruin a mans career and give him 5 years in prison.


    So its now the responsibility of women to not get drunk or if they do to somehow remember to say no if any man tries it on?

    Great lets just go back to the 1950s

    Why not just teach men to keep it in their pants if a woman looks out of it?


  • #15
    skinny90
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,607 ✭✭✭skinny90


    It's aload of sh1t, the other lad brought her up to get his hole and then your man ched comes to the hotel after the other lad texts him and asks the girl can he join in,the girl feels she was spiked...surely she could have had her blood tested no for traces no?also how can the other lad not be done.
    If she claims she was spiked surely it would have been the guy who brought her to his room that spiked her


  • #16
    ceegee
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    Havent been following the story but can anyone explain how he got found guilty and the other guy got off?


  • #17
    midlandsmissus
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    Sir Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: »
    and how do you decide if she was too drunk, and what is too drunk? can any woman not just say she was too drunk after the fact and go to the police?

    if she was so drunk she couldnt stand and was dragged onto a bed then I wouldnt have a problem with a conviction but just "too drunk to give consent" seems horribly vague to ruin a mans career and give him 5 years in prison.

    CCTV shows her in an extremely intoxicated state, she could barely stand. To be then brought to a hotel room by a man, and then another man joining in, do you think this was right of them?


  • #18
    El Weirdo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,651 ✭✭✭✭El Weirdo


    drkpower wrote: »
    What i dont understand is, if the basis of the conviction was that the victim could not consent by virtue of her being incapable due to drink, why did evans get convicted and mcdonald was acquitted?

    Anyone know if there is a judgment available?
    As I understand it, she went to the room with McDonald and Evans joined later whilst they were having sex.

    I presume that the jury felt that consent had been given to McDonald but not to Evans.


  • #19
    awec
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    eviltwin wrote: »
    So its now the responsibility of women to not get drunk or if they do to somehow remember to say no if any man tries it on?

    Great lets just go back to the 1950s

    Why not just teach men to keep it in their pants if a woman looks out of it?
    Yes, it's all men's fault. :rolleyes:

    I mean, girls never get drunk and throw themselves all over blokes. :rolleyes:

    It's the responsibility of each individual person, male or female, to not get themselves into such a state that they don't know what they are doing.


  • #20
    LETHAL LADY
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    What kind of man sleeps with a women who is in an extremely intoxicated state?
    Where is the fun in that?


  • #21
    drkpower
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    midlandsmissus wrote: »
    Read the ****ing case details. She woke up in the hotel alone and naked with zero memory of how she got there or who she had been with. Her friend testified that the next morning she was shocked, scared and confused.

    CCTV shows her staggering around extremely intoxicated.
    Would you suggest that any woman in those circumstnces is incapable of consenting?
    midlandsmissus wrote: »
    YES, if you are too drunk to consent it is rape, of course it is!
    Why wasnt mcdonald convicted?


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  • #22
    Mr.Biscuits
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    Billy Piper wasn't too bad now, in fairness.


  • #23
    midlandsmissus
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    From soccer forum:

    The girl couldn't remember how she got there, how about she doesn't drink if she can't handle it! And yes it says she thinks it got spiked, but doubt Evans would have any trouble pulling fit birds anyways.


    :eek:


  • #24
    Sir Digby Chicken Caesar
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    midlandsmissus wrote: »
    Read the ****ing case details. She woke up in the hotel alone and naked with zero memory of how she got there or who she had been with. Her friend testified that the next morning she was shocked, scared and confused.

    CCTV shows her staggering around extremely intoxicated.

    YES, if you are too drunk to consent it is rape, of course it is!


    well then she shoudn't get so drunk she does things she would regret, the fact that she doesn't remember giving consent doesn't mean consent wasn't given or that she was too drunk to realise what she was doing.

    plenty of people black out from drinking, when i was younger it was a regular occurence for me. The answer is to stop drinking before you do something stupid and can't remember it.


  • #25
    drkpower
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    El Weirdo wrote: »
    As I understand it, she went to the room with McDonald and Evans joined later whilst they were having sex.

    I presume that the jury felt that consent had been given to McDonald but not to Evans.

    Thats what i though first but the media reportage suggests the basis of the conviction was that she was inacapable of consenting as she was intoxicated.

    This is one of the many cases where more info is needed before any reasonable comment can be made.


  • #26
    ducksmalone
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    saw sky sports earlier........there may be an appeal pending,so im holding back on commenting until this has been confirmed,also his employers have not sacked him............ they're waiting also


  • #27
    midlandsmissus
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    drkpower wrote: »
    Would you suggest that any woman in those circumstnces is incapable of consenting?

    Why wasnt mcdonald convicted?

    Extremely intoxicated, no. You know what it's like when you're extremely intoxicated, yes? Well imagine some-one physically stronger dragging you off and having sex with you while you were out of it. What would you think about that then? If it happened to you?

    I don't know about McDonald, the jurors heard more than I did.


  • #28
    starbelgrade
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    LETHAL LADY wrote: »
    What kind of man sleeps with a women who is in an extremely intoxicated state?
    Where is the fun in that?

    Half the riding every weekend is done in an extremely intoxicated state.


  • #29
    Sir Digby Chicken Caesar
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    midlandsmissus wrote: »
    Extremely intoxicated, no. You know what it's like when you're extremely intoxicated, yes? Well imagine some-one physically stronger dragging you off and having sex with you while you were out of it. What would you think about that then? If it happened to you?

    I don't know about McDonald, the jurors heard more than I did.

    what evidence is there she was dragged off against her will?


  • #30
    awec
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    midlandsmissus wrote: »
    Extremely intoxicated, no. You know what it's like when you're extremely intoxicated, yes? Well imagine some-one physically stronger dragging you off and having sex with you while you were out of it. What would you think about that then? If it happened to you?

    I don't know about McDonald, the jurors heard more than I did.
    You are assuming that is what happened.

    Was it not the case of they just had sex, no physical dragging or anything like that involved.

    But she claimed she was too drunk to consent.

    In which case, if he claimed he was too drunk to know any better would he get away with it?


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  • #31
    Equium
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    Sir Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: »
    well then she shoudn't get so drunk she does things she would regret, the fact that she doesn't remember giving consent doesn't mean consent wasn't given or that she was too drunk to realise what she was doing.

    plenty of people black out from drinking, when i was younger it was a regular occurence for me. The answer is to stop drinking before you do something stupid and can't remember it.

    Like get raped? Come on now.


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