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Garda with no licience,tax, and bald tyres kills two and gets a fine!

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  • #152
    Jesus Shaves
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,959 ✭✭✭Jesus Shaves


    Kess73 wrote: »
    The corner/bend where the fight was happening is one that is pretty blind to cars coming off the sliproad.

    That changes it completely


  • #153
    Jesus Shaves
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,959 ✭✭✭Jesus Shaves


    hondasam wrote: »
    That is pure rubbish, have you driven at night? ever encounter someone walking wearing dark clothes and no light?

    Yes and I still havent killed anyone


  • #154
    hondasam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,418 ✭✭✭✭hondasam


    darokane wrote: »
    Yes and I still havent killed anyone

    You are so smug, hope it stays fine for you. I suppose you thing anyone that has knocked some down did it for the fun. Don't be to complacent, karma can be a bitch.


  • #155
    thebullkf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,036 ✭✭✭thebullkf


    MagicSean wrote: »
    darokane wrote: »
    He should have seen them and took evasive action, having bald tyres contributed to their deaths, If he had good tyres there's a great possibility that the deaths could have been avoided, And that's not even mentioning the fact that he shouldn't have been on the road anyway.
    Whilst the 2 men shouldn't have been on the motorway fighting on the motorway a driver with a roadworthy car would have avoided the incident

    What a load of bull****. You've obviously not read any of the thread.
    I have read the thread, two things, gardai have said he wasn't one of them, what was he? Would an "ordinary" citizen get away so lightly? I have driven that road, at night, tis not the m50 by any means but its not that busy either, if he was a decent driver evasive action may have helped, but with seriously bald three you.ve no chance his punishment should be harsher than a non Garda simply was he's broken laws he swore to uphold, he has a higher duty of care, due to nature of his job,he should be sacked, lose his pension, and be banned from driving for life, harsh sentences are a deterrent, the reason we have such poor and frequent offenders is because our justice system is a joke, smacks of Cronyism tbh, bit like the Garda who sexually assaulted the bangarda a while back, we do not lead by example in this country, hence the gulf between what's acceptable and what's not. Wonder how many gardai on boards there are, and their honest opinion of a paltry fine? Apologies for typos, on mobile.


  • #156
    Jesus Shaves
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,959 ✭✭✭Jesus Shaves


    hondasam wrote: »
    You are so smug, hope it stays fine for you. I suppose you thing anyone that has knocked some down did it for the fun. Don't be to complacent, karma can be a bitch.

    I know I am, Maybe karma can be a bitch, if you believe in all that tripe


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  • #157
    HigginsJ
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,317 ✭✭✭HigginsJ


    thebullkf wrote: »
    I have read the thread, two things, gardai have said he wasn't one of them, what was he? Would an "ordinary" citizen get away so lightly? I have driven that road, at night, tis not the m50 by any means but its not that busy either, if he was a decent driver evasive action may have helped, but with seriously bald three you.ve no chance his punishment should be harsher than a non Garda simply was he's broken laws he swore to uphold, he has a higher duty of care, due to nature of his job,he should be sacked, lose his pension, and be banned from driving for life, harsh sentences are a deterrent, the reason we have such poor and frequent offenders is because our justice system is a joke, smacks of Cronyism tbh, bit like the Garda who sexually assaulted the bangarda a while back, we do not lead by example in this country, hence the gulf between what's acceptable and what's not. Wonder how many gardai on boards there are, and their honest opinion of a paltry fine? Apologies for typos, on mobile.


    He has not been found guilty (so far) of anything other than minor offenses that you or I would get the same punishment that he received if it were our 1st time offending.

    You want to take away his life/career/future because of an accident in which he was not at fault. If it were Cronyism im sure the Gardai would have overlooked the fact that his tax was out of date and that he did not have licence.


  • #158
    Jesus Shaves
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    HigginsJ wrote: »
    He has not been found guilty (so far) of anything other than minor offenses that you or I would get the same punishment that he received if it were our 1st time offending.

    Bull
    You or I would be banned from driving for life


  • #159
    _feedback_
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    thebullkf wrote: »
    I have read the thread, two things, gardai have said he wasn't one of them, what was he? Would an "ordinary" citizen get away so lightly? I have driven that road, at night, tis not the m50 by any means but its not that busy either, if he was a decent driver evasive action may have helped, but with seriously bald three you.ve no chance his punishment should be harsher than a non Garda simply was he's broken laws he swore to uphold, he has a higher duty of care, due to nature of his job,he should be sacked, lose his pension, and be banned from driving for life, harsh sentences are a deterrent, the reason we have such poor and frequent offenders is because our justice system is a joke, smacks of Cronyism tbh, bit like the Garda who sexually assaulted the bangarda a while back, we do not lead by example in this country, hence the gulf between what's acceptable and what's not. Wonder how many gardai on boards there are, and their honest opinion of a paltry fine? Apologies for typos, on mobile.

    I by no means think that anyone should drive a non roadworthy car, particularly without your licence in order, but for the love of god.

    Take a mans life and career from him because he was unfortunate enough to come across two dopes rolling around a fúckin motorway?


  • #160
    oppenheimer1
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    professore wrote: »
    Did he not have lights on his car? Surely if it was dark he would have had full beams on.

    You do not drive on a motorway with full beams.


  • #161
    HigginsJ
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,317 ✭✭✭HigginsJ


    darokane wrote: »
    Bull
    You or I would be banned from driving for life

    You think?

    If it happened to you or I in the future you can refer to this case and legal precedent and be fine.


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  • #162
    hondasam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,418 ✭✭✭✭hondasam


    darokane wrote: »
    Bull
    You or I would be banned from driving for life

    You can prove this can you?


  • #163
    Jesus Shaves
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    oppenheimer1 wrote: »
    You do not drive on a motorway with full beams.

    :eek:WOW


  • #164
    Jesus Shaves
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    HigginsJ wrote: »
    You think?

    If it happened to you or I in the future you can refer to this case and legal precedent and be fine.

    Good point.


  • #165
    ResearchWill
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    Having seen a few DC traffic cases a person charged with no license, no tax and 2 bald tyres, in my opinion the total fine would be in the range of €250 to €1000 depending on district judge. It seems in this case it's at the higher end. I have never seen a ban for such charges on a first offense ever.

    As the person was not charged in relation to dangerous driving causing death then he could not receive a sentence for same.


  • #166
    UglyBolloxFace
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    zenno wrote: »
    No driving licence, no car tax and had two bald tyres, The solicitor said while he did not want to dilute the tragic consequences of this accident, the garda was not facing any driving charges and there was no criminal culpability in the case.

    Doesn't this account for a driving ban ?. It would if it was any of us.

    How can you give a driving ban to someone who isn't qualified to drive in the first place, i.e. he has no licence.


  • #167
    _feedback_
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    ResearchWill wrote: »
    Having seen a few DC traffic cases a person charged with no license, no tax and 2 bald tyres, in my opinion the total fine would be in the range of €250 to €1000 depending on district judge. It seems in this case it's at the higher end. I have never seen a ban for such charges on a first offense ever.

    As the person was not charged in relation to dangerous driving causing death then he could not receive a sentence for same.

    Only thing is, this one is a guard, and everyone knows, if a guard is naughty they should be brought out and shot.


  • #168
    lividduck
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    UglyBolloxFace wrote: »
    How can you give a driving ban to someone who isn't qualified to drive in the first place, i.e. he has no licence.
    It routinely happens, banned from driving does not require you to have a liciense but it prevents you from obtaining one.


  • #169
    Terrontress
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    I am not familiar with the stretch of road at all but it would appear from reading this thread that it is dangerous in design and should either have the speed limit reduced, layout altered or lighting installed and possibly all three.

    If a truck had shed its load or there was a traffic jam or some other reason to stop urgently then fatalities might also have occurred in this blind spot.


  • #170
    ResearchWill
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    UglyBolloxFace wrote: »
    How can you give a driving ban to someone who isn't qualified to drive in the first place, i.e. he has no licence.

    It happens all the time, a ban will stop you getting a license. Otherwise a person with no license could avoid a ban and then just apply for license next day.


  • #171
    patwicklow
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    if he was a good garda he should have booked him self for no license, no tax and 2 bald tyres, as they say though one law for them...


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  • #172
    Doc Ruby
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    Haven't read the thread, but I'm confused about how a qualified garda would have no driving license in the first place. Isn't that part of their basic training? They should even have advanced training in place to be honest.

    Anyway, no, I can't see a case for unsafe driving here, the culpability lies entirely on the shoulders of the deceased. Tussling on a motorway at night for gods sake. By the time the headlights even touched them round a bend anyone would have maybe a split second to take evasive action.

    I doubt the vehicle itself would be responsive enough to avoid them.


  • #173
    testicle
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    SunnyDub1 wrote: »
    he was driving with no driving license ?

    I would like to see anyone else just get a fine for having no licene... If it was anyone else they would get more then a fine

    As requested...

    http://www.carlowpeople.ie/news/had-no-driving-licence-1108167.html

    Would you like more, or would you just prefer to continue talking out your arse?


  • #174
    HigginsJ
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,317 ✭✭✭HigginsJ


    Terrontress wrote: »
    I am not familiar with the stretch of road at all but it would appear from reading this thread that it is dangerous in design and should either have the speed limit reduced, layout altered or lighting installed and possibly all three.

    If a truck had shed its load or there was a traffic jam or some other reason to stop urgently then fatalities might also have occurred in this blind spot.

    A bit of lighting woulddnt go astray but Traffic Jams would be visible with all the car lights and if a truck shed it load they would prob put on hazards and have warning lights a bit back.

    2 guys fighting on the ground is a bit of a unique incident.


  • #175
    hondasam
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    testicle wrote: »
    As requested...

    http://www.carlowpeople.ie/news/had-no-driving-licence-1108167.html

    Would you like more, or would you just prefer to continue talking out your arse?

    That's ten yrs old, any recent ones?


  • #176
    HigginsJ
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,317 ✭✭✭HigginsJ


    patwicklow wrote: »
    if he was a good garda he should have booked him self for no license, no tax and 2 bald tyres, as they say though one law for them...


    And the same law for him. He has been fined for it


  • #177
    My name is URL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,626 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    Realistically, what's the difference between failing to notice a pair of idiots fighting in the middle of the road, and failing to notice a person walking on a badly lit stretch of narrow road?

    Many people have gone to jail or faced far harsher penalties than the guy in this case for failing to notice the latter.


  • #178
    ResearchWill
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    hondasam wrote: »
    That's ten yrs old, any recent ones?

    From 2011


    Joseph Doyle of 36 Grangegowan in Tullow has been fined a total of €700 on conviction for motoring offences. The 23 year old had no insurance (€500) and no driving licence (fine €200) at Irish Street in Bunclody on July 6 last year. Garda Inspector Pat Cody reported that Doyle, who was not present at Wednesday's District Court sitting, had not cooperated with the probation service, failing to keep appointments with the probation officer. Judge John Coughlan was assured that the defendant had already been disqualified from driving for a year.

    From here http://www.wexfordpeople.ie/lifestyle/court-report-2975980.html

    The disqualification was for previous offenses, do with previous motor of fences he got €700 for no licence and no insurance.


  • #179
    HeidiHeidi
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    My name is URL wrote: »
    Realistically, what's the difference between failing to notice a pair of idiots fighting in the middle of the road, and failing to notice a person walking on a badly lit stretch of narrow road?

    Many people have gone to jail or faced far harsher penalties than the guy in this case for failing to notice the latter.

    Because it's a motorway, where pedestrians are not allowed? Badly lit narrow roads generally force you to reduce your speed for that very reason (among others).

    Slightly O/T, but I often wonder why unlit, darkly-clothed pedestrians - especially those who wander drunkenly around the road, and yes I have seen them - who get hit are never held to be a contributory factor to their own accident?


  • #180
    ResearchWill
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    My name is URL wrote: »
    Realistically, what's the difference between failing to notice a pair of idiots fighting in the middle of the road, and failing to notice a person walking on a badly lit stretch of narrow road?

    Many people have gone to jail or faced far harsher penalties than the guy in this case for failing to notice the latter.

    It is normal in driving to expect person to be walking along a country road at night, it is not normal to expect someone to be brawling on a motorway at night that is why they would be treated differently.


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  • #181
    mathepac
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,990 ✭✭✭mathepac


    hondasam wrote: »
    ... If he had a perfect car, d/lic tax etc he would still have hit them and killed them.
    How do you know that? Are you privy to information the rest us don't have. Is there information you have that is not in the public domain? If you do, please post it so we can all work off the same data.


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