We Are The 99%

MagicSean · 19-04-2012 01:33PM

Scuba_Scoper wrote: »

Yeah but with your i7 Mac and your holidays in Lake Garda and your fast internet connection and an iPhone (i briefly looked at your post history) do you REALLY consider yourself part of the downtrodden 99%
:rolleyes:

Pow. Right in the Kisser.

starviewadams · 19-04-2012 01:33PM

That 'We are the 99%' slogan crap just reminds me of the eejits who were camped outside the Central Bank for a few months,if they're the 99% then I'll gladly be the 1%

KeithAFC · 19-04-2012 01:34PM

Freddie59 wrote: »

Ah Keith. A big a WUM as ever......:rolleyes:

You just don't want to hear it. People are only sick of the system when it goes through a rough patch. When it is booming and working, people love it. Go with the rough and the smooth.

Freddie59 · 19-04-2012 01:37PM

KeithAFC wrote: »

You just don't want to hear it. People are only sick of the system when it goes through a rough patch. When it is booming and working, people love it. Go with the rough and the smooth.

Define "rough patch"?

Freddie59 · 19-04-2012 01:38PM

starviewadams wrote: »

That 'We are the 99%' slogan crap just reminds me of the eejits who were camped outside the Central Bank for a few months,if they're the 99% then I'll gladly be the 1%

Yeah, they came across as eejits. But their core message was very close to the bone. Maybe the eejits are the rest of us who take it up the ass from Inda, Happy Gilmore, & Co. and do nothing about it?

Kensington · 19-04-2012 01:38PM

The real scandal here is where does atari jaguar fit in between the 99% and the 1%?

foxyboxer · 19-04-2012 01:38PM

MagicSean wrote: »

Pow. Right in the KisserRhetoric.

fyp :cool:

Freddie59 · 19-04-2012 01:42PM

MagicSean wrote: »

Pow. Right in the Kisser.

Nah. He missed, Sean!:D

old_aussie · 19-04-2012 01:44PM

Runs off to get towel and violin

foxyboxer · 19-04-2012 01:47PM

OP, if you were given a cheque for €250,000 (no questions asked), would you still feel the same way?

KeithAFC · 19-04-2012 01:47PM

Freddie59 wrote: »

Define "rough patch"?

Same as always. Mass unemployment, people struggling to find work, people questioning the system. But it will all be quiet again when jobs are created again and people are back in work again and the enableable boom will come along. People spending money constantly, enjoying the good times. And then comes the down times again. Rinse and repeat.

davet82 · 19-04-2012 01:51PM

I thought i was broke before the country went donw the shyte pipe, now i think i know what being broke is but if ya shipped me off to some shyte poor african country then i'd know what being broke is...

point is some one is always better off than you but you are always better off than somebody else... how full is your glass

Scuba_Scoper · 19-04-2012 02:06PM

Freddie59 wrote: »

You certainly come across as it.
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Am i downtrodden? I certainly feel like I am, given the preferential treatment afforded to others in our society, such as politicians, bankers, PS/CS workers, etc.
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And that my learned, downtrodden friend is the definition, nay, the very essence of begrudgery.

Pot, kettle etc.

opinion guy · 19-04-2012 02:13PM

KeithAFC wrote: »

It is working perfectly fine. A few are rich and most are poor. The way it should be. If you want to get into the rich list, then go and earn it. No one is going to hand it to you.

As much as the 99% rubbish annoys me, this attitude equally annoys me. People like you Keith don't realise how lucky you are. Not everyone has opportunity to escape poverity - the odds are too stacked against them, be it through disadvantage, lack of education, illhealth, war, family problems etc etc.

The system needs to recognize this and pure capitalist systems don't.

Stinicker · 19-04-2012 02:16PM

opinion guy wrote: »

As much as the 99% rubbish annoys me, this attitude equally annoys me. People like you Keith don't realise how lucky you are. Not everyone has opportunity to escape poverity - the odds are too stacked against them, be it through disadvantage, lack of education, illhealth, war, family problems etc etc.

The system needs to recognize this and pure capitalist systems don't.

I've been to poor countries, however I can say one thing for certain whatever it is about being a poor country their people are far happier that we are at home, Irish people are quite depressed and the financial crippling situation is to blame. You never miss something you never had, but to go boom to bust is disastrous and we have huge inflation and the cost of everything relative to income leaves us massively poor in real wealth terms.

foxyboxer · 19-04-2012 02:19PM

If you were in the civil service, rented and drove a low spec car during the boom, you were deemed a loser.

Now during a recession, you are entitled, lucky and smug.

Lose-Lose.

TwoShedsJackson · 19-04-2012 02:23PM

KeithAFC wrote: »

enableable

A perfectly cromulent word.

FatherLen · 19-04-2012 02:27PM

i really am confused about this whole 99% malark.
i know what it is but the people that seem to be spouting it off are the same people that posted all those kony videos. it's a fad. it's cool to say "we are the 99%". it just really annoys me.

barleybooley · 19-04-2012 02:31PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y28yFxLydzU&feature=related

"What do you think is my share?"

"sgjsgsdgshjgksjfg"

Gah, she's so annoying!

Agricola · 19-04-2012 02:34PM

In summary, is the standard of living and general quality of life in Ireland far better than in a country like Angola, even for the poorer members of society? - Yes.

Does this fact legitimize the proliferation of unbridled casino capitalism, the corruption of public representatives and the devastating effects of boom/bust economics on society as a whole -
No it does not.

Mammanabammana · 19-04-2012 02:34PM

I'm just looking forward to when the polite smilies disappear from Freddie59 and Scuba_scoper's replies to each other...

KeithAFC · 19-04-2012 02:37PM

TwoShedsJackson wrote: »

A perfectly cromulent word.

Ha. Don't know if I spelt it right or not..

opinion guy · 19-04-2012 02:44PM

Stinicker wrote: »

I've been to poor countries, however I can say one thing for certain whatever it is about being a poor country their people are far happier that we are at home, Irish people are quite depressed and the financial crippling situation is to blame. You never miss something you never had, but to go boom to bust is disastrous and we have huge inflation and the cost of everything relative to income leaves us massively poor in real wealth terms.

Typical bourgoise 1%! You go to poor countries on your gap year and think the folks smiling at you aren't doing so to get money out of you but instead become infatuated with this notion that their lives are simpler and therefore their happyness is genuine. Yup I'm sure you are right - those people dealing with starvation, malaria, cholera, war etc are much better off than us :rolleyes:

Please.

juan.kerr · 19-04-2012 02:47PM

We are not against Social Welfare Recipients - we are against Social Welfare scroungers.

We are not against Roma - we are against economic migrant beggers dirtying out streets.

We are not against Travellers - we are against people who refuse to live by the rules & responsibilities of society yet expect society to fund their alternative lifestyle.

RichieC · 19-04-2012 02:49PM

BRING IT ALL THE FUQ DOWN!!!!!!

Duggys Housemate · 19-04-2012 02:55PM

Scuba_Scoper wrote: »

Yeah but with your i7 Mac and your holidays in Lake Garda and your fast internet connection and an iPhone (i briefly looked at your post history) do you REALLY consider yourself part of the downtrodden 99%
:rolleyes:

Oh FFS, you don't get into the top 1% by affording normal consumer items.. That shows he is in the top 40% or something.

Augmerson wrote: »

We are actually the 1%. If you take the whole world as an example. Imagine the populations of Africa, South America, Central and South-east Asia doing a Occupy Wall street. They're the ones who make our clothes, feed us, provide us with natural resources and cheap labour so we can carry on the way we do.

Thats not true either, as those populations are rapidly playing catchup. The difference between what an average Irishman earns and an average Mexican , is statistically insignificant relative to the difference between the richest and the medium income within Ireland, or Mexico.

Mexicans are middle income by world standards as it happens. That means they earn about 1/3 to 1/2 what we earn. On the other hand there is no way the average joe earns 1/3 to 1/2 what the richest 1% earn.

Nobody really understands income and wealth distribution. The distribution within countries is far greater than that between countries.

Duggys Housemate · 19-04-2012 03:01PM

But to give some statistics, to emphasise the point. The richest man in the world is a Mexican, with $68B. Thats about €52B. Average wage in Ireland was about 32K in the boom, so if you want to garner his wealth by working full time, spending nothing and paying no taxes, it would take you 52,000,000,000/ 32000 years, or 1.65 million years.

If you were an average wealth earner. Someone in the top 20% in Ireland would take about 1 million years.

Il Trap · 19-04-2012 03:05PM

There was a bit of commotion in Temple Bar earlier today with a few of the Occupy crowd. About twenty people, it appeared, had 'occupied' a shop behind the Central Bank and had a very sh!tty-looking attempt at a banner stuck up against the window. Alot of shouting from a couple of hairy lads in particular outside and inside the shop. About six guards were there keeping watch while one of them was kicking a cardboard placard along the footpath and shouting.

They just look like a nuisance at this stage.

coolbeans · 19-04-2012 03:29PM

Freddie59 wrote: »

Scuba_Scoper wrote: »

Yeah but with your i7 Mac and your holidays in Lake Garda and your fast internet connection and an iPhone (i briefly looked at your post history) do you REALLY consider yourself part of the downtrodden 99%
:rolleyes:

Meooowwww.:D Do I detect a hint of jealousy there my friend? They came in our 50s, after we had the long slog of rearing a young family and paying through the nose for everything.

I don't smoke, have the odd social drink, so what you have listed above is what I choose to spend my money on. Probably unlike yourself.

The post is meant to highlight what the 1% are actually getting away with (it's actually more in Ireland I'd say). But hey, be a begrudger if you want.:)

Calling someone a begrudger is not some magical argument winning silver bullet you know. You're well off yet you whine. I'll add too that anyone who is serious about what you have just written would not have posted in after hours. Stupid.

Freddie59 · 19-04-2012 04:32PM

foxyboxer wrote: »

If you were in the civil service, rented and drove a low spec car during the boom, you were deemed a loser.

Now during a recession, you are entitled, lucky and smug.

Lose-Lose.

It's actually more of a depression, really. But I wouldn't expect the CS or its workers to appreciate that.

foxyboxer wrote: »

OP, if you were given a cheque for €250,000 (no questions asked), would you still feel the same way?

I'd be asking an AWFUL lot of questions TBH. Wouldn't you?

Scuba_Scoper wrote: »

And that my learned, downtrodden friend is the definition, nay, the very essence of begrudgery.

Pot, kettle etc.

Nah, the essence of begrudgery is that diatribe you posted earlier. Was it a mortgage of cash for that Apartment. I think you're duty-bound to answer.;)

Mammanabammana wrote: »

I'm just looking forward to when the polite smilies disappear from Freddie59 and Scuba_scoper's replies to each other...

coolbeans wrote: »

Calling someone a begrudger is not some magical argument winning silver bullet you know. You're well off yet you whine. I'll add too that anyone who is serious about what you have just written would not have posted in after hours. Stupid.

Call it what you will. But it smacks home. And some of you don't like it. Am I well off? Relatively, compared to some of the young families on the breadline. But I was there once. It's a dark place.

Relative to the poster who pilloried me for owning some electronic gizmos - the same poster who owns an apartment in Italy, which he recently purchased? Far from it.

We Are The 99%

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