Munster Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread.

Flincher · 17-04-2012 02:35PM

buck65 wrote: »

Probably won't see Wally fit til August, if at all.

He didn't look comfortable the last few weeks though. Its an unfortunate way to go if he's not in a position to take up a contract this season. As we've seen this season, not everyone gets to end their career on their own terms.

Hopefully he can turn it around though. He was flying before the injury. It would be great if we can get another season out of him.

Amazotheamazing · 17-04-2012 02:38PM

I would hope we aren't seeing another legend forced out but it was crazy to try and have him back so soon, imo.

thomond2006 · 17-04-2012 02:57PM

Cpt_Blackbeard wrote: »

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I have no problem with people who call Riki Flutey "a kiwi mercenary" but Tuilagi came through the English system so I think his 'eligibility' is a non issue.

Sorry off topic.

Clegg · 17-04-2012 03:00PM

Cpt_Blackbeard wrote: »

There were rumours on Mfs that he was having trouble with his knee. There is also talk that he isn't signed on for another season.

Would be terrible if he had to go out like this. Going into the WC, reports were coming from all corners commending his strength and fitness. Seriously impressive when you consider that Ferris and SOB are 10 years his junior, but he was competing with/beating them in all areas.

He easily had a few years of top level rugby on the clock and it will be a shame if the Samoan thug parading in an English jersey effectively ends his career.

There was nothing wrong with the Tuilagi tackle though.

Wally was just unfortunate that he got injured.

PhatPiggins · 17-04-2012 03:19PM

thomond2006 wrote: »

I have no problem with people who call Riki Flutey "a kiwi mercenary" but Tuilagi came through the English system so I think his 'eligibility' is a non issue.

Sorry off topic.

Meh, 4 brothers who play/played for Samoa. Its a personal choce but you've only get one nationality in my book.

GerM · 17-04-2012 03:24PM

Awful shame if his day is done but, to be honest, if he's having another surgery 8 months after the injury, you'd have to think it's doubtful he'll recover. Not entirely unlike Horgan's situation. He was never fit for the games he did play and I believe he was rushed back in to action despite never attaining anything close to full fitness and the knee was never right at all. Hopefully he gets on the pitch again.

danthefan · 17-04-2012 03:27PM

Cpt_Blackbeard wrote: »

There were rumours on Mfs that he was having trouble with his knee. There is also talk that he isn't signed on for another season.

Would be terrible if he had to go out like this. Going into the WC, reports were coming from all corners commending his strength and fitness. Seriously impressive when you consider that Ferris and SOB are 10 years his junior, but he was competing with/beating them in all areas.

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What nonsense. Tuilagi did absolutely nothing wrong.

Hopefully Wallace makes it back of course.

WeeBushy · 17-04-2012 03:32PM

PhatPiggins wrote: »

Meh, 4 brothers who play/played for Samoa. Its a personal choce but you've only get one nationality in my book.

I think he should be thought of in isolation, not based on what his brothers have done. He moved to England when he was 13, he's spent the most of his rugby life in England, and he's come through the English set up. If it was anyone else there wouldn't be this discussion imo. It's not fair that just because his brother are also good at a rugby that he should be treated differently.

PhatPiggins · 17-04-2012 03:50PM

WeeBushy wrote: »

I think he should be thought of in isolation, not based on what his brothers have done. He moved to England when he was 13, he's spent the most of his rugby life in England, and he's come through the English set up. If it was anyone else there wouldn't be this discussion imo. It's not fair that just because his brother are also good at a rugby that he should be treated differently.

Yeah but is he English just because Leicester brought him over when he was 13? My point on his brothers all playing for Samoa was just to highlight the farce that has become rugby passport tourism.

Again personal choice for Manu and if he feels English good for him. That'll be all for me on this topic on this thread but I'm happy to discuss it somewhere else if you want.

Cpt_Blackbeard · 17-04-2012 05:15PM

buck65 wrote: »

Harsh, Tuilagi did nothing wrong in that challenge, Wallace was caught awkwardly or landed awkwardly. He's a decent centre.

It was a huge just legal hit, but it was done with the intent to get revenge on the man who had embarrassed him minutes earlier. He put in a huge hit to make his presence known, so any resulting injuries are partially his responsibly (The other players safety is always that of the tackler). Freak accidents do occur and Manu had no intent to injure Wallace, but the injury is a result of his recklessness combined with horrid luck.

Regardless of his eligibility to represent England, he probably wouldn't have been on the pitch had he got a deserving ban for his assault on Aston.

WeeBushy · 17-04-2012 05:40PM

PhatPiggins wrote: »

Yeah but is he English just because Leicester brought him over when he was 13? My point on his brothers all playing for Samoa was just to highlight the farce that has become rugby passport tourism.

Again personal choice for Manu and if he feels English good for him. That'll be all for me on this topic on this thread but I'm happy to discuss it somewhere else if you want.

Fair enough.

I'd disagree but I guess what people think the eligibility rules should be is down to personal opinion. That's me done on the topic as well, it doesn't have much to do with Munster! Although you could do with another centre...

Fishooks12 · 17-04-2012 06:04PM

Cpt_Blackbeard wrote: »

It was a huge just legal hit, but it was done with the intent to get revenge on the man who had embarrassed him minutes earlier. He put in a huge hit to make his presence known, so any resulting injuries are partially his responsibly (The other players safety is always that of the tackler). Freak accidents do occur and Manu had no intent to injure Wallace, but the injury is a result of his recklessness combined with horrid luck.

Regardless of his eligibility to represent England, he probably wouldn't have been on the pitch had he got a deserving ban for his assault on Aston.

That's ridiculous

Tualagi has done some dodgy things in the past but the Wallace injury was neither wreck-less or dangerous, just unfortunate

CatFromHue · 17-04-2012 06:23PM

As tackles go Tuilagi had poor technique, he was relying purely on his strength and size. ROG uses the same technique sometimes and is blown away but Tuilagi is so big and strong he can get away with it. It's a shoulder hit with an arm wrap so not an illegal tackle but I'm not very fond of that style myself.

justsomebloke · 17-04-2012 06:35PM

Lads attack the post and not the poster or it will result in infractions or bans the same goes for any more player abuse.

Fishooks12 · 17-04-2012 06:55PM

justsomebloke wrote: »

Lads attack the post and not the post or it will result in infractions or bans the same goes for any more player abuse.

Maybe you should prove read your posts!!:D

CIARAN_BOYLE · 17-04-2012 06:58PM

PhatPiggins wrote: »

Yeah but is he English just because Leicester brought him over when he was 13? My point on his brothers all playing for Samoa was just to highlight the farce that has become rugby passport tourism.

His family moved to Leicester because so many of his brothers were playing there. Its normal to want to be closer to family.

durkadurka · 17-04-2012 07:02PM

ormond lad wrote: »

Its proofread

It's "it's"!

thomond2006 · 17-04-2012 07:04PM

Fishooks12 wrote: »

Maybe you should prove read your posts!!:D

fail

ormond lad · 18-04-2012 12:14AM

Penney has been interviewed with Umaga getting interviewed tomorrow
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2012/0418/1224314875762.html

Dont like the idea of what thornley suggests as the most likely outcome of Foley as head coach with Umaga as backs coach

Fishooks12 · 18-04-2012 01:05AM

thomond2006 wrote: »

fail

This really hasn't been my day

d-gal · 18-04-2012 07:49AM

ormond lad wrote: »

Penney has been interviewed with Umaga getting interviewed tomorrow
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2012/0418/1224314875762.html

Dont like the idea of what thornley suggests as the most likely outcome of Foley as head coach with Umaga as backs coach

I'd love that. Foley gas been a fantastic forwards coach so far and umaga would be a big improvement compared to Holland. The likes of Earls is crying out for someone like Umaga to show him the ropes.
Both have potential to become great coaches IMO

budhabob · 18-04-2012 08:03AM

ormond lad wrote: »

Penney has been interviewed with Umaga getting interviewed tomorrow
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2012/0418/1224314875762.html

Dont like the idea of what thornley suggests as the most likely outcome of Foley as head coach with Umaga as backs coach

From reading that article we could be in the market for a backs and head coach. I thought Holland was contracted for next season, but hopefully not. Could it be the case that we get a coaching set-up that includes Penney as Head coach, Foley as forwards coach, and Umaga as backs coach? I'd be happy enough with this. Allows Foley to continue his experience, brings in an experienced head coach, and anyone other than Holland as backs coach.

irishbucsfan · 18-04-2012 08:05AM

I'd love to see all three in there. Penney with his head coaching experience, Foley continuing with the defense and pack and learning and Tana taking the backs on. Hopefully that's what they're looking at as well.

That would scare me, as a leinster fan.

Otacon · 18-04-2012 08:21AM

d-gal wrote: »

I'd love that. Foley gas been a fantastic forwards coach so far and umaga would be a big improvement compared to Holland. The likes of Earls is crying out for someone like Umaga to show him the ropes.
Both have potential to become great coaches IMO

Personally, I want a neutral head coach, to make the tough choices for the development of the province TBH. While I have no doubt Foley could do a good job, I think it is a little too early for that.

Also, I want a seasoned backs coach. Umaga's record is not only limited but so far rubbish. You mention potential, yet I have not seen anything from him to suggest it exists.

totallegend · 18-04-2012 08:24AM

ormond lad wrote: »

Penney has been interviewed with Umaga getting interviewed tomorrow
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2012/0418/1224314875762.html

Dont like the idea of what thornley suggests as the most likely outcome of Foley as head coach with Umaga as backs coach

Which part do you not like? Foley or Umaga? I don't know, could be brilliant but a very inexperienced ticket...

Lelantos · 18-04-2012 08:42AM

irishbucsfan wrote: »

I'd love to see all three in there. Penney with his head coaching experience, Foley continuing with the defense and pack and learning and Tana taking the backs on. Hopefully that's what they're looking at as well.

That would scare me, as a leinster fan.

It seems these are the only 3 names we can attract. Why? Best guess is that the money isn't there to attract all the big name coaches. Can't see them shelling out for 3 positions in total, just not going to happen imo

Junior · 18-04-2012 08:52AM

I'm going to throw the cat amongst the pigeons, Is Foley a good coach ? Considering Munster are playing a similar forwards style to Ireland and we've seen how that's worked out - terrible. To clarify I don't doubt his nous, his man management, but can Munster develop their forward play into something better if this is his first effort ?

Spudmonkey · 18-04-2012 08:54AM

Lelantos wrote: »

It seems these are the only 3 names we can attract. Why? Best guess is that the money isn't there to attract all the big name coaches. Can't see them shelling out for 3 positions in total, just not going to happen imo

Exactly.

In any case it seems to me unlikely that they will bring in Penney especially as he is another forwards coach. Also unlikely that Umaga will get the top spot with his CV. This of course could all be smoke and mirrors with Foley already pretty much guaranteed the job and this all as optics to make it look like the made an effort to go outside the province.

Whoever they bring in though has to give Holland the boot!

d-gal · 18-04-2012 09:01AM

He seems to be a fantastic defence coach. The munster defence this year has been fantastic and the pack is extremely organised. If you consider he is dealing with an average back row and a host of injuries (including POC, Wallace, Sherry) then he has done very well.
He also seems to be given huge respect in the camp which seems so important in Munster.

Penney/Foley/Umaga would be brilliant but realistically I can only see munster taking 2

danthefan · 18-04-2012 09:06AM

Junior wrote: »

I'm going to throw the cat amongst the pigeons, Is Foley a good coach ? Considering Munster are playing a similar forwards style to Ireland and we've seen how that's worked out - terrible. To clarify I don't doubt his nous, his man management, but can Munster develop their forward play into something better if this is his first effort ?

Considering Munster had over 70% ball against Ulster, you don't do that with a substandard pack imo. There was a massive failure in attack, which is outside Foley's remit.

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