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Lloyd Alexander?

  • 13-04-2012 8:35pm
    #1
    salysol
    Registered Users Posts: 378 ✭✭


    Here's an interesting one,i was offered a car today,it's called a LLoyd Alexander,it's also irish,the name rings a bell but i have never seen one.
    do any of you know anything about these cars other than what is available on the net.
    ie were they sold here,is there a club,spares availability here etc


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  • #2
    Stained Class
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,808 ✭✭✭Stained Class


    I remember reading a magazine article about these cars many years ago.

    It was called 'Living with a Lloyd' & was published in Irish Motorist magazine in about 1983.

    I wonder if the car you were offered the same one as the one featured in the article?

    I'll have a root round for the mag next time I'm at the folk's place.

    I remember that they were built in Ireland alright & have some vague recollection of a German connection with them.


  • #3
    rugbyman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,783 ✭✭✭rugbyman


    There was one of these pictured on here in the last few years. the poster was a regular, though i forget who it was. the car was of interest to me as it had a ZY reg. might yours be this one? blue colour

    regards Rugbyman


  • #4
    carchaeologist
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,318 ✭✭✭✭carchaeologist


    ZY 7265 was the blue one, it was in a shed with another red one I think.


  • #5
    Blue850
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,565 ✭✭✭Blue850


    Photo064.jpg

    2009 thread Lloyd thread

    The Sept 2011 Irish Vintage Scene mag has a feature on a Lloyd reg MZC 534


  • #6
    kev1.3s
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,358 ✭✭✭kev1.3s


    I took that pic they were in gorey at the time but have since moved on. Quirky little thing but not for me.


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  • #7
    salysol
    Registered Users Posts: 378 ✭✭salysol


    kev1.3s wrote: »
    I took that pic they were in gorey at the time but have since moved on. Quirky little thing but not for me.
    now that is interesting,as the one i was offered is in wexford,but i haven't seen it yet,hope to see it on sunday,will take some pics and post them up.


  • #8
    kev1.3s
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,358 ✭✭✭kev1.3s


    I'd say that they are one and the same! there cant be that many of them about, let alone an Irish one good luck with it hope you can save it.


  • #9
    rugbyman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,783 ✭✭✭rugbyman


    Salysol,

    if it is the zy one, I may be interested if you do not buy it.
    there was another for sale in Cork about a year ago, much work needed but intact.
    Regards rugbyman


  • #10
    Stained Class
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,808 ✭✭✭Stained Class


    Bingo!

    A trawl thru the Class Archive has turned up the Sept '83 issue of Irish Motorist.

    I have the article in front of me now.

    It's about the experiances of an Irish car enthusiast in buying restoring & running a Lloyd Alexander.

    Reading thru the article, it seems that 244 of them were assembled in Dublin by a firm called P R Reilly.

    The parent company was indeed German.

    The car featured is a Marine Blue example & it's reg was PZC 587.

    I wonder if this one still exists?


  • #11
    kev1.3s
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,358 ✭✭✭kev1.3s


    244 hardly seems like they were a sales success no does it? I wonder were there many imported already assembled? or were they that rare over here, I know i never seen one before I took those pics and I haven't seen one since so they are defiantly worth saving.

    As for poor PZC 587 doesn't show up on cartell so I can only assume it's dead or best case in someones shed awaiting recommissioning.


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  • #12
    salysol
    Registered Users Posts: 378 ✭✭salysol


    rugbyman wrote: »
    Salysol,

    if it is the zy one, I may be interested if you do not buy it.
    there was another for sale in Cork about a year ago, much work needed but intact.
    Regards rugbyman
    no problem Rugbyman,as i said i am going to look at it in the morning ,weather permitting,as far as i know this car has had extensive work carried out on it including a total respray at a cost of €1500, but the owner moved house a few years ago and the car has been left outside,so only god knows the condition of it now,he has a lot of new parts that will be going with the car.
    i will find out in the morning and take some pics.


  • #13
    salysol
    Registered Users Posts: 378 ✭✭salysol


    Stained Class wrote: »
    Bingo!

    A trawl thru the Class Archive has turned up the Sept '83 issue of Irish Motorist.

    I have the article in front of me now.

    It's about the experiances of an Irish car enthusiast in buying restoring & running a Lloyd Alexander.

    Reading thru the article, it seems that 244 of them were assembled in Dublin by a firm called P R Reilly.

    The parent company was indeed German.

    The car featured is a Marine Blue example & it's reg was PZC 587.

    I wonder if this one still exists?
    thanks for that,it would be a pure fluke if it was the same car,it seems they made a lot of different models in a short space of time of manufacture 10 years i think


  • #14
    DubCul
    Registered Users Posts: 353 ✭✭DubCul


    P R reilly was a large garage on the Howth Road, Killester, Dublin.


  • #15
    ianofitz
    Registered Users Posts: 199 ✭✭ianofitz


    DubCul wrote: »
    P R reilly was a large garage on the Howth Road, Killester, Dublin.

    Its still there just as a car accessory shop now really... its above the Topaz station


  • #16
    DarenO
    Registered Users Posts: 231 ✭✭DarenO


    I've a pick of PZC taken about 20 years ago at a show, it was dark blue in colour from memory


  • #17
    Stained Class
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,808 ✭✭✭Stained Class


    DarenO wrote: »
    I've a pick of PZC taken about 20 years ago at a show, it was dark blue in colour from memory

    That's about 10 years on from the article I read.

    Fair chance that this car still exists so.

    They're so unusual, & in some ways so unfashionable.

    They were devised in Germany as a way to get out of local taxes, hence the small engine.

    Basically, they were 1 step up from a Bubble Car.


  • #18
    salysol
    Registered Users Posts: 378 ✭✭salysol


    Went to look at the car this morning,was expecting the worst,but was surprised to find it was very solid,as it has been left outside since it was resprayed a few years back,there is very little corrosion apart from the offside lower door/sill,but it's only on the surface,easy fix.
    the engine and box,interior is in the shed but will need attention,and everything is there for it.
    pics as promised.

    lloydalexander016.jpg
    lloydalexander011.jpg
    lloydalexander009.jpg
    lloydalexander018.jpg


  • #19
    Stained Class
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,808 ✭✭✭Stained Class


    Out of interest, did you find out what the registration for this car is?


  • #20
    salysol
    Registered Users Posts: 378 ✭✭salysol


    Stained Class wrote: »
    Out of interest, did you find out what the registration for this car is?
    i think its xji...


  • #21
    carchaeologist
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,318 ✭✭✭✭carchaeologist


    salysol wrote: »
    i think its xji...

    JI would be a Tyrone registration?


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  • #22
    salysol
    Registered Users Posts: 378 ✭✭salysol


    carchaeologist wrote: »
    JI would be a Tyrone registration?
    i'm not sure,but will know more next weekend.


  • #23
    bbsrs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 943 ✭✭✭bbsrs


    salysol wrote: »
    lloydalexander018.jpg

    not the prettiest car in the world but if its rwd you could fit a nice F20 engine from an S2000 and make a very odd drift car out of it .it would look interesting going sideways at 100mph


  • #24
    salysol
    Registered Users Posts: 378 ✭✭salysol


    bbsrs wrote: »
    not the prettiest car in the world but if its rwd you could fit a nice F20 engine from an S2000 and make a very odd drift car out of it .it would look interesting going sideways at 100mph
    20 years ago i might have agreed with you,but as it's an extremely rare car it would be a pity to cannibalize it.
    And it's front wheel drive.
    The car will be restored to original spec,provided i can source the parts needed.


  • #25
    salysol
    Registered Users Posts: 378 ✭✭salysol


    here's one modified,looks well ?

    http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTeqOaRyiW2fLrolggrRHQgFGBKQ5UF3-pLA7TQ6q1zKATYqTEsKg


  • #26
    carchaeologist
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,318 ✭✭✭✭carchaeologist


    bbsrs wrote: »
    not the prettiest car in the world but if its rwd you could fit a nice F20 engine from an S2000 and make a very odd drift car out of it .it would look interesting going sideways at 100mph

    Lol, that's a bonkers idea! It would be some sport trying to hold onto that sideways at 100mph!


  • #27
    mattroche
    Registered Users Posts: 380 ✭✭mattroche


    I had a Lloyd Alexender in 1962, it was belong to a doctor in Tramore. I THINK the Reg No. was KI 9088. They were quite noisy. I think they were a 2or3 cylinder 4 stroke. I also think they were from the same stable as the Bogward. They were a fun car at the time I had it. I sold it to a man in Co. Kilkenny. I suppose it is R.I.P. many years ago. I did not know of any others at that time, or since.


  • #28
    salysol
    Registered Users Posts: 378 ✭✭salysol


    mattroche wrote: »
    I had a Lloyd Alexender in 1962, it was belong to a doctor in Tramore. I THINK the Reg No. was KI 9088. They were quite noisy. I think they were a 2or3 cylinder 4 stroke. I also think they were from the same stable as the Bogward. They were a fun car at the time I had it. I sold it to a man in Co. Kilkenny. I suppose it is R.I.P. many years ago. I did not know of any others at that time, or since.
    Yes i think you are right the Borgward/lloyd were linked,just checked the reg and there is no record of it,so a good chance it's history or sitting in a shed.


  • #29
    bbsrs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 943 ✭✭✭bbsrs


    salysol wrote: »
    here's one modified,looks well ?

    http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTeqOaRyiW2fLrolggrRHQgFGBKQ5UF3-pLA7TQ6q1zKATYqTEsKg

    Mental looking machine. The diversity of classic car enthusiasts is a joy to behold.


  • #30
    kev1.3s
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,358 ✭✭✭kev1.3s


    bbsrs wrote: »
    Mental looking machine. The diversity of classic car enthusiasts is a joy to behold.
    I wonder if it would be possible to put in a diesel engine to make it more economical


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  • #31
    bbsrs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 943 ✭✭✭bbsrs


    kev1.3s wrote: »
    I wonder if it would be possible to put in a diesel engine to make it more economical

    Now that you mention it ,a 3 cyl daihatsu charade 1.0 turbo diesel would be ideal for it :D.


  • #32
    salysol
    Registered Users Posts: 378 ✭✭salysol


    bbsrs wrote: »
    Now that you mention it ,a 3 cyl daihatsu charade 1.0 turbo diesel would be ideal for it :D.
    would be a lot of messing around,be better to keep it as original as possible.


  • #33
    bbsrs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 943 ✭✭✭bbsrs


    salysol wrote: »
    would be a lot of messing around,be better to keep it as original as possible.[/QUOTE
    Yes best to keep that one original as possible the little engine it has would be grand for it.As for the charade reference it was a joke , kev 1.3 was being a little humourous in his previous post .


  • #34
    salysol
    Registered Users Posts: 378 ✭✭salysol


    bbsrs wrote: »
    salysol wrote: »
    would be a lot of messing around,be better to keep it as original as possible.[/QUOTE
    Yes best to keep that one original as possible the little engine it has would be grand for it.As for the charade reference it was a joke , kev 1.3 was being a little humourous in his previous post .
    yeh i guessed that, if any of you have any idea where i might source a few parts from there has to be more than one in the country,possibly even a donor car ?


  • #35
    bbsrs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 943 ✭✭✭bbsrs


    salysol wrote: »
    bbsrs wrote: »
    yeh i guessed that, if any of you have any idea where i might source a few parts from there has to be more than one in the country,possibly even a donor car ?

    Dont limit yourself to searching in ireland .


  • #36
    salysol
    Registered Users Posts: 378 ✭✭salysol


    bbsrs wrote: »
    salysol wrote: »

    Dont limit yourself to searching in ireland .
    I'm not,but there doesn't seem to be much in europe.


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  • #37
    kev1.3s
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,358 ✭✭✭kev1.3s


    Ebay is my friend I check it at least once a day.Is there a club?


  • #38
    salysol
    Registered Users Posts: 378 ✭✭salysol


    kev1.3s wrote: »
    Ebay is my friend I check it at least once a day.Is there a club?
    Only the borgward club ,but it doesn't seem to be very active,so it will be mainly Ebay or Craigslist


  • #39
    salysol
    Registered Users Posts: 378 ✭✭salysol


    The car is now sitting in my yard,now all i have to do is make space in the shed,but which car to put outside ? Fiat 1100 or porsche or build another shed,don't think the wife would be too happy with that.
    I was looking at a engine on Ebay germany,i have sent the seller 3 emails in the last week,but no reply,what would you think of that ?

    http://www.ebay.at/itm/Motor-Lloyd-Alexander-4-Takt-Motor-/150796496878?pt=DE_Autoteile&hash=item231c2befee


  • #40
    salysol
    Registered Users Posts: 378 ✭✭salysol


    Stained Class wrote: »
    Out of interest, did you find out what the registration for this car is?

    Here's the reg/ XIF590
    I think it's a Belfast reg ?
    Would i have to approach Swansea or Belfast to get the book ?


  • #41
    bjak
    Registered Users Posts: 59 ✭✭bjak


    XIF is a County Cork reg.

    E Bay advertiser quotes postage in Germany at €45 but no further "ausland" options. You might have to get a quote from DHL yourelf or perhaps if you can have the engine collected. Was in a similar position myself recently for a bulky eBay item (Merc SL Hardtop) in the UK - Transport cost quoted was €250 :mad:.

    As you know from the ad, the engine is seized and missing the value cover on one side.

    As auction has 8 hours left no time to waste.
    Best of luck

    BJAK:D


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  • #42
    salysol
    Registered Users Posts: 378 ✭✭salysol


    bjak wrote: »
    XIF is a County Cork reg.

    E Bay advertiser quotes postage in Germany at €45 but no further "ausland" options. You might have to get a quote from DHL yourelf or perhaps if you can have the engine collected. Was in a similar position myself recently for a bulky eBay item (Merc SL Hardtop) in the UK - Transport cost quoted was €250 :mad:.

    As you know from the ad, the engine is seized and missing the value cover on one side.

    As auction has 8 hours left no time to waste.
    Best of luck

    BJAK:D
    Thanks for clearing the reg issue.
    as for the engine,i bid on a air filter in Germany last year it was €1.99 but couldn't get a shipping price from seller,so allowed it couldn't be more than €10.00 was i mistaken,€33.00 .so lesson learnt,i wont bid prior to getting a shipping cost from seller.


  • #43
    mattroche
    Registered Users Posts: 380 ✭✭mattroche


    Salysol, have you thought of trying to have the orignal engeine done up here.I know I am now reaLLY showing my age, but there were several companies that reconditioned engeines, Colliers of Bunclody was one that comes to mind, they are probebly no more, but there must be somebody out there. Perhaps you should consider taking that route first? Alternatively, get someone who is flunt in German to put your ad. in German E. Bay.


  • #44
    kev1.3s
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,358 ✭✭✭kev1.3s


    I see it's the poor old fiat thats getting the bullet which is a shame in my book:-( I'd take it off you if I hadn't got my hands full and wallet emptied by my current project, hope someone suitable turns up to save her because there isn't to many out there prepared for and aware of what a project like that entails and it would be a shame to see a local car end up as a washing machine.


  • #45
    salysol
    Registered Users Posts: 378 ✭✭salysol


    kev1.3s wrote: »
    I see it's the poor old fiat thats getting the bullet which is a shame in my book:-( I'd take it off you if I hadn't got my hands full and wallet emptied by my current project, hope someone suitable turns up to save her because there isn't to many out there prepared for and aware of what a project like that entails and it would be a shame to see a local car end up as a washing machine.
    unfortunately one has to go,as much as i'd like to keep them all i just don't have the space,but saying that i might just have an ace up my sleeve,will know more tomorrow.


  • #46
    salysol
    Registered Users Posts: 378 ✭✭salysol


    mattroche wrote: »
    Salysol, have you thought of trying to have the orignal engeine done up here.I know I am now reaLLY showing my age, but there were several companies that reconditioned engeines, Colliers of Bunclody was one that comes to mind, they are probebly no more, but there must be somebody out there. Perhaps you should consider taking that route first? Alternatively, get someone who is flunt in German to put your ad. in German E. Bay.
    i was only going to buy the engine as it was available,but he wont post it,too heavy he said.
    as for the engine i have it's only weather seized so i will strip it,hone it and check the crank bearings etc,i reckon it should be ok.
    powers engineering in ferns do rebuilds + they are very good at sourcing obsolete parts.


  • #47
    bbsrs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 943 ✭✭✭bbsrs


    salysol wrote: »
    i was only going to buy the engine as it was available,but he wont post it,too heavy he said.
    as for the engine i have it's only weather seized so i will strip it,hone it and check the crank bearings etc,i reckon it should be ok.
    powers engineering in ferns do rebuilds + they are very good at sourcing obsolete parts.

    Sound like very satisfying work stripping an old time seized engine and getting it running again .


  • #48
    salysol
    Registered Users Posts: 378 ✭✭salysol


    bbsrs wrote: »
    Sound like very satisfying work stripping an old time seized engine and getting it running again .
    Fairly straight forward,but saying that i had an old TVO ferguson years ago that had a seized piston,i tried everything to free it but it never happened so i shifted it on.


  • #49
    bbsrs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 943 ✭✭✭bbsrs


    salysol wrote: »
    bbsrs wrote: »
    Sound like very satisfying work stripping an old time seized engine and getting it running again .
    Fairly straight forward,but saying that i had an old TVO ferguson years ago that had a seized piston,i tried everything to free it but it never happened so i shifted it on.

    I guess you know this already but i'll say it anyways best to completely dismantle it before trying to move anything as even one rotation with corrosion could score the crank or bores and cause terminal damage . Fill the bores with penetrating oil and let them soak a few days before attempting to budge the pistons . They're are companies like JE that will make custom pistons for you if it needs a review .


  • #50
    MANYCARS
    Registered Users Posts: 3 ✭MANYCARS


    Hi I owned PZC 587 see next thread


  • #51
    MANYCARS
    Registered Users Posts: 3 ✭MANYCARS


    Firstly I owned PZC 587 at one stage and it gave me a lot of fun. It now lives in Bawnboy,Co. Cavan with two other Lloyds.
    Some Lloyd Irish history.Introduced in 1954 by a Mr.Sarre at a price of £347 and 10 shillings in 2 stroke form with 386cc. and assembled in the Coombe in Dublin.(I visited the Plant). Upper body was wood covered with plastic fabric.Only a handful of these early examples were sold. Lloyds seemed to disappear for a while in the mid 1950s.Then around 1959 Mr P.R.Reilly of Howth Road set up Melin Motors to assemble the Lloyd Alexander 4 stroke models and suceeded in selling around 250 between 1959 and 1963.I believe body panels came from Bremen fully painted. I recall, Tony Brooks the Grand Prix driver used one to test out a revised cicuit in Phoenix Park in the early sixties. I wish all who are trying to keep these great little cars on the road well.


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