Yes Kenny Dalglish and Liverpool are done. MOD POST #425 ALL READ

eagle eye · 13-04-2012 07:56PM

PhlegmyMoses wrote: »

Have Newcastle ever said that they were using a moneyball strategy? They seem to just scout well and take a punt on players that others are wary of due to injuries and attitude such as Ben Arfa and Ba.

Cisse shows us another variable not as prominent in the US - the fact that the majority of the world's best baseball players play in the league you are purchasing them to play in. A lot of people had heard of Cisse and had an idea that he was doing well for Hoffenheim.

But then, it's hard to know whether this will translate over to the PL. Dzeko was immense for Wolfsburg but has hardly lit up the league. Mame Biram Diouf is now banging them in for Hannover but never really looked that kind of player for United. Cisse could have gone either way.

There are also tactical systems that players will do well in that the signing team are unwilling to use. For instance, Leon Britton has been excellent is Swansea's patient, passing game where the whole system suits his playing style.

If, say, Manchester United recognise that they need a midfielder to replace Scholes, look at Scholes' passing stats and then look at Britton's it would be reasonable to surmise that he would suit United to a tee. But then, United's passing game is different. They need inch perfect passes to the wingers, forward passes to the strikers. They are constantly putting the other team under pressure and need probing passes that bring teammates into play in dangerous areas. Does Leon Britton suit this?

Basically, you can look at all the stats you want in football but the most effective analysis is qualitative. It will henceforth be known as Useyoureyesball.

Have you never heard of Prozone? Statisical analysis is nothing new to the Premier League, moneyball in baseball is just a system used for future evolvement of players based on those type of stats. Prozone offer a lot of stuff to managers and you can even use them to see how a player would work in your team if prozone have stats on him from games at his current club.

niallo27 · 13-04-2012 08:20PM

mufcboy1999 wrote: »

Lucky Lloyd clearly means f*ck all considering Liverpool havnt won the league in how long ??

If your going to have a dig at least try and a be a bit creative.

Jesus Wept · 13-04-2012 08:33PM

cambo2008 wrote: »

Sorry if I'm getting you mixed up with someone else but I keep picturing you as Tex from Alan Partridge......AmericaniZe everything.

Fixed your post.
Have a nice day.

Will I Amnt · 13-04-2012 09:48PM

Andy Carroll wrote: »

cambo2008 wrote: »

Sorry if I'm getting you mixed up with someone else but I keep picturing you as Tex from Alan Partridge......AmericaniZe everything.

Fixed your post.
Have a nice day.

Be gone with your bastardiSed versions of our adopted language.

KeithAFC · 14-04-2012 09:32AM

~Rebel~ wrote: »

I call shenanigans.

Noone's that stupid.

People have already told me it doesn't work. So why bother buying it and reading it.

wcarey1975 · 14-04-2012 09:41AM

KeithAFC wrote: »

People have already told me it doesn't work. So why bother buying it and reading it.

Only time will actually tell if it doesnt work as it wont change in the short term. People also said it wouldnt work in baseball. The basis should work just the actual system will need to be adopted differently based on the different type of stats between the 2.

W

Oranage2 · 14-04-2012 09:46AM

KeithAFC wrote: »

People have already told me it doesn't work. So why bother buying it and reading it.

Worked in baseball.

The reason Liverpool fans are so adamant it works because John Henry used the moneyball strategy and won the baseball cup, Liverpool in their trademark delusion think John Henry will win them league title. They also think how many times you cross the ball into the box wins games. That's why downing is infact their savior who will win them this title.

It works in baseball but doesnt work in football!

Now stats on players are also done in football, something like football manager stats, shots, tackles things like this.

Moneyball in football doesnt work or else teams like Stoke who just play long ball would be winning champion leagues - Just doesnt work that way I'm afraid.

G.K. · 14-04-2012 10:34AM

Oranage2 wrote: »

Worked in baseball.

After a period of waiting.

Oranage2 wrote: »

The reason Liverpool fans are so adamant it works because John Henry used the moneyball strategy and won the baseball cup, Liverpool in their trademark delusion think John Henry will win them league title. They also think how many times you cross the ball into the box wins games. That's why downing is infact their savior who will win them this title.

I'm not a Liverpool fan, and I'm vociferously arguing for it.

Oranage2 wrote: »

It works in baseball but doesnt work in football!

We'll just have to wait and see.

Oranage2 wrote: »

Now stats on players are also done in football, something like football manager stats, shots, tackles things like this.

Moneyball in football doesnt work or else teams like Stoke who just play long ball would be winning champion leagues - Just doesnt work that way I'm afraid.

None of this makes any sense.

LuckyLloyd · 14-04-2012 10:35AM

Oranage2 wrote: »

Worked in baseball.

The reason Liverpool fans are so adamant it works because John Henry used the moneyball strategy and won the baseball cup, Liverpool in their trademark delusion think John Henry will win them league title. They also think how many times you cross the ball into the box wins games. That's why downing is infact their savior who will win them this title.

It works in baseball but doesnt work in football!

Now stats on players are also done in football, something like football manager stats, shots, tackles things like this.

Moneyball in football doesnt work or else teams like Stoke who just play long ball would be winning champion leagues - Just doesnt work that way I'm afraid.

This is a how to of epically bad posting.

monkey9 · 14-04-2012 10:38AM

Oranage2 wrote: »

Worked in baseball.

The reason Liverpool fans are so adamant it works because John Henry used the moneyball strategy and won the baseball cup, Liverpool in their trademark delusion think John Henry will win them league title. They also think how many times you cross the ball into the box wins games. That's why downing is infact their savior who will win them this title.

It works in baseball but doesnt work in football!

Now stats on players are also done in football, something like football manager stats, shots, tackles things like this.

Moneyball in football doesnt work or else teams like Stoke who just play long ball would be winning champion leagues - Just doesnt work that way I'm afraid.

More myths and lies!!!

joseph brand · 14-04-2012 10:51AM

Oranage2 wrote: »

And Football is

different to Baseball

FACT

Augmerson · 14-04-2012 11:26AM

I don't truly understand the Moneyball concept but it's an interesting idea and apart from being a Liverpool fan I'd be interested to see if it works out. I didn't think when FSG bought Liverpool that we'd win the PL straight away with this process, I was more hoping for a decent league run (oh well) but it's the first season. Lessons will be learned hopefully and over the summer theory and reality will be mulled over.

VinylJunkie · 14-04-2012 12:58PM

Kenny Out!

clappyhappy · 14-04-2012 01:01PM

Carragher out FFS

VinylJunkie · 14-04-2012 01:02PM

Who picked Carragher?

ThunbergsAreGo · 14-04-2012 01:27PM

If Hodgson had selected this team, everyone would be out to get him

Two left backs available for selection and he goes with Agger so his mate Carra can get a game

That_Guy · 14-04-2012 01:30PM

plasmaguy wrote: »

Sven Goran Erickson, also a proven club manager, did a reasonable job at Man City.

I wouldn't wish Sven even on Sunderland. :pac:

Xavi6 · 14-04-2012 01:32PM

naughtb4 wrote: »

Two left backs available for selection and he goes with Agger so his mate Carra can get a game

Love it :pac:

mike65 · 14-04-2012 02:26PM

Not quite!

VinylJunkie · 14-04-2012 02:36PM

In Kenny we trust.....;)

Jesus Wept · 14-04-2012 02:50PM

naughtb4 wrote: »

If Hodgson had selected this team, everyone would be out to get him

Two left backs available for selection and he goes with Agger so his mate Carra can get a game

I suppose you are just going to continue to ignore the fact that a lot of us are incredibly pissed off about that so that you can continue a 'liverpool fans eh' mandate?

mayordenis · 14-04-2012 02:55PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Wl_uQOABxg

monkey9 · 14-04-2012 03:04PM

naughtb4 wrote: »

If Hodgson had selected this team, everyone would be out to get him

Two left backs available for selection and he goes with Agger so his mate Carra can get a game

What, you mean the way the team selection was criticized in the match thread? Is what you mean??? Like that?

LuckyLloyd · 14-04-2012 03:10PM

Expect this thread to be very quiet today!

Two Cup finals in his first full season back with Liverpool. Quite a managerial record he has huh?

PhlegmyMoses · 14-04-2012 03:12PM

I hope he says on tbh.

Renn · 14-04-2012 03:18PM

I think most are happy for him to remain as manager tbh.

monkey9 · 14-04-2012 03:20PM

Yes, the obsessives have made that quite clear!!

CSF · 14-04-2012 03:21PM

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Expect this thread to be very quiet today!

Two Cup finals in his first full season back with Liverpool. Quite a managerial record he has huh?

8th in the league

14-04-2012 03:22PM

CSF wrote: »

8th in the league

2 cup finals

PhlegmyMoses · 14-04-2012 03:23PM

So has it been a successful season?

Yes Kenny Dalglish and Liverpool are done. MOD POST #425 *ALL READ*

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Yes Kenny Dalglish and Liverpool are done. MOD POST #425 ALL READ