Our Social Welfare system

Freddie59 · 09-04-2012 12:28PM

dxhound2005 wrote: »

You said urban myths.

http://www.snopes.com/business/taxes/immigrants.asp

USA? Not Ireland. What's your point?

Toby Take a Bow · 09-04-2012 12:29PM

Cool Mo D wrote: »

Why don't you just look it up yourself? All the payments are here:
http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/social_welfare/social_welfare_payments/

What would Freddie post about if he checked the things himself?

Ellis Dee wrote: »

If we did as some propose and slash the Irish welfare state down to the level of that in some of the poorer EU members, then undoubtedly some non-nationals will return to their countries of origin. But how many Irish will leave as well?:D:D

We'd also have to deal with less money being spent in the economy. People on social welfare (despite what is usually offered up in AH as 'fact') tend to spend all their money, as they can't save anything on 188 euro a week.

Sunnyisland · 09-04-2012 12:34PM

Dudess wrote: »

Re holidays and cars: does the Department of Social Welfare book holidays with Budget Travel/set up a payment plan with Windsor Motors, or how does it work?

Right, first you get laid of or better still never have a job in the first place,then go up to your local social welfare office and explain in your most saddest way that you just need a car and a holiday as everyone else seems to have them,promise that you will look for a job and pay back the money when you get one,After leaving social office person crying with emotion and guarantees to help you, you skip of back to the local pub while you await for the next horse race to begin. Happy days & simples

Delancey · 09-04-2012 04:32PM

Never fails to amaze me the response these bullsh1t threads get.

These seems to be a segment of the population that blame those in receipt of Social Welfare as the root cause of this country's ills and conveniently forget the damage caused by the developers and bankers backed up by their mates in Fianna Fail.
Pretty cowardly to attack a fairly weak group if you ask me.....

A lot of crap is spouted about benefits available , an example is the rumour that Social Welfare pay a ' Pet Allowance ' to help pay for pet food and vet bills. Total bollox of course - there is a benefit payable to the owners of Guide Dogs only but sure why let the real facts get in the way of a good story that allows the stirring up of hatred against what is overall a pretty vulnerable section of society.

Like I said , easy to be a coward.

Mr.Biscuits · 09-04-2012 04:41PM

If they cut Welfare in the next budget I may strongly have to think about cutting down on the maid's hours.

Temptamperu · 09-04-2012 04:43PM

Freddie59 wrote: »

Do we have any posters who work in Social Welfare. Listed below are what, allegedly, SW provides payments for. Many of these are dismissed as urban myths. It would be nice to find out which are - and which aren't. The communion "payment" highlighted only one aspect of this last year.

* Cars
* Household appliances
* Broadband/TV payments
* Holidays
* and more

Over to you.

there you go.

Pandora2 · 09-04-2012 04:46PM

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Littlehorny · 09-04-2012 05:06PM

Agricola wrote: »

I heard they pay for boob jobs.

Know someone who got this done, not sure if social welfare paid for it or HSE but this girl i know got the op done.

Chuck Stone · 09-04-2012 05:26PM

Littlehorny wrote: »

Know someone who got this done, not sure if social welfare paid for it or HSE but this girl i know got the op done.

I'd imagine there is extremely rigorous criteria, like being completely flat chested, for having a boob job done through the public health system (if it happens at all).

Nodin · 09-04-2012 05:32PM

Freddie59 wrote: »

USA? Not Ireland. What's your point?

That what you listed in the OP has little or no basis in fact. There are "emergency payments" that can be used for items like washing machines and the like, afaik. They will not pay for your the internet, satellite TV etc. There's no such thing as free cars or holidays. Or mobile phones. The last three I've only heard mentioned in relation to Asylum seekers, I might add, so I'd suggest you may have heard a story in mutation there.

It really was the Governments failure to combat these stories when they started in the late 90's that's led to them being so ingrained now.

Freddie59 · 09-04-2012 05:38PM

Delancey wrote: »

Never fails to amaze me the response these bullsh1t threads get.

These seems to be a segment of the population that blame those in receipt of Social Welfare as the root cause of this country's ills and conveniently forget the damage caused by the developers and bankers backed up by their mates in Fianna Fail.
Pretty cowardly to attack a fairly weak group if you ask me.....

A lot of crap is spouted about benefits available , an example is the rumour that Social Welfare pay a ' Pet Allowance ' to help pay for pet food and vet bills. Total bollox of course - there is a benefit payable to the owners of Guide Dogs only but sure why let the real facts get in the way of a good story that allows the stirring up of hatred against what is overall a pretty vulnerable section of society.

Like I said , easy to be a coward.

So asking out the waste of public money is to 'be a coward'?:rolleyes: we have a population of 4.5m - yet there are some SEVEN MILLION PPS numbers circulating. And as for a fairly weak group, that certainly is not case case with a sizable amount. There are many working people who are in a way weaker position, and get none of the benefits that the unemployed are entitled to.

Freddie59 · 09-04-2012 05:39PM

Nodin wrote: »

That what you listed in the OP has little or no basis in fact. There are "emergency payments" that can be used for items like washing machines and the like, afaik. They will not pay for your the internet, satellite TV etc. There's no such thing as free cars or holidays. Or mobile phones. The last three I've only heard mentioned in relation to Asylum seekers, I might add, so I'd suggest you may have heard a story in mutation there.

It really was the Governments failure to combat these stories when they started in the late 90's that's led to them being so ingrained now.

'As far as you know' as you put it. So that's definitive then? because you know it? Have you ever spoken to someone who works in a SW office Nod?

Freddie59 · 09-04-2012 05:41PM

Temptamperu wrote: »

there you go.

And your evidence of this is?

dr.bollocko · 09-04-2012 05:41PM

Freddie59 wrote: »

So asking out the waste of public money is to 'be a coward'?:rolleyes: we have a population of 4.5m - yet there are some SEVEN MILLION PPS numbers circulating. And as for a fairly weak group, that certainly is not case case with a sizable amount. There are many working people who are in a way weaker position, and get none of the benefits that the unemployed are entitled to.

You say you're asking for answers but I have yet to see any evidence that you have ever listened to any of the answers you get.

Freddie59 · 09-04-2012 05:43PM

dr.bollocko wrote: »

You say you're asking for answers but I have yet to see any evidence that you have ever listened to any of the answers you get.

The answers consist of people offering their opinion, not fact. "As far as they know" blah, blah, etc. These are not answers. They are legitimate question, whether or not some take offence.

Feeona · 09-04-2012 05:43PM

Mr.Biscuits wrote: »

If they cut Welfare in the next budget I may strongly have to think about cutting down on the maid's hours.

boo hoo for you :mad:, think of the poor people who'll have to use briquettes to light the fire instead of wads of cash

Blazer · 09-04-2012 05:47PM

Ellis Dee wrote: »

If we did as some propose and slash the Irish welfare state down to the level of that in some of the poorer EU members, then undoubtedly some non-nationals will return to their countries of origin. But how many Irish will leave as well?:D:D

Hopefully the 200,000 who were too lazy to get a job during boom years.
Those who were genuinely too sick to work though are excused but I've know several people who apparently were too sick to work yet was in the local pub and bookies every night.:mad:

Crann na Beatha · 09-04-2012 05:50PM

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kowloon · 09-04-2012 05:51PM

Chuck Stone wrote: »

I'd imagine there is extremely rigorous criteria, like being completely flat chested, for having a boob job done through the public health system (if it happens at all).

I'd say if it's done it has more to do with breast cancer.

Nodin · 09-04-2012 05:51PM

Freddie59 wrote: »

'As far as you know' as you put it. So that's definitive then? because you know it? Have you ever spoken to someone who works in a SW office Nod?

Yep.

You ever found a form to fill out for a free car or holiday?

Freddie59 wrote: »

The answers consist of people offering their opinion, not fact. "As far as they know" blah, blah, etc.

This is what you get for trying to be moderate in tone......

Allow me to clarify then, in precise terms - There are no free cars, holidays, satellite payments, broadband or mobile phones. You asked the question "do they exist" and I can say no, because you will be unable to find any reference to same on any Government website whatsoever. A cursory search would have shown that, but do you bother looking? No - sure why bother.....rabble rabble rabble is far more fun.

Nodin · 09-04-2012 05:52PM

kowloon wrote: »

I'd say if it's done it has more to do with breast cancer.

They do reductions over the water, I think, not sure about here.

MickySticks · 09-04-2012 05:55PM

They also pay for dog food.

Dudess · 09-04-2012 05:57PM

It's up to people what they spend the money on - it can't be policed - but if it's spent on Sky, holidays, internet etc, that's not the same as the DSW giving out payments specifically for those. If someone on benefits can afford all these things, it's likely they have another source of income. Someone on benefits alone cannot afford a lavish lifestyle, no matter what bullsh1t is made up about them. Basic maths dictates that.

Scruffles · 09-04-2012 06:09PM

MickySticks wrote: »

They also pay for dog food.

and not cat food?
that is ridiculous discrimination.
mogs;not dogs,thats how it shoud be.:pac:

ronano · 09-04-2012 06:12PM

Blazer wrote: »

Hopefully the 200,000 who were too lazy to get a job during boom years.
Those who were genuinely too sick to work though are excused but I've know several people who apparently were too sick to work yet was in the local pub and bookies every night.:mad:

stat for the 200,000 otherwise i call bs!

emo72 · 09-04-2012 06:21PM

when you get a council house, you also get 1500 euro to furnish it? Is that correct? My oh works in a furniture shop and tells me this.

Monife · 09-04-2012 06:22PM

ronano wrote: »

stat for the 200,000 otherwise i call bs!

It is bs. It was more around the 80,000 - 90,000 figure, which is still shocking enough.

lividduck · 09-04-2012 06:24PM

They Dont pay for cars.
They dont pay for holidays.
They dont pay for dogfood
They dont pay for TV and broadband
They can and do make payments towards essential needs such as important appliances (Fridge/Cooker etc)
They can and do make payments for prams etc and also for exceptional needs such as at communion times.
They dont pay for cars.
Happy Freddie?

dvpower · 09-04-2012 06:43PM

lividduck wrote: »

Happy Freddie?

I doubt Freddie has ever been happy.

nlgbbbblth · 09-04-2012 07:10PM

Freddie

Don't believe any of those responses.

There's only one way you'll get a definitive answer.

Quit your job and sign on.

Our Social Welfare system

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