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We haven't had a good Public Sector bashing thread in ages

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,366 ✭✭✭micropig


    I make polish babies, I hear free communion dresses :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,219 ✭✭✭woodoo


    Freddie59 wrote: »
    Make the most of it. That gravy train will inevitably grind to a halt.

    I'm alright jack Freddie


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,366 ✭✭✭micropig


    myself:D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,787 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    mishkalucy wrote: »
    I didn't see the census actually, hence my asking. I just thought it was very interesting(apart from the baby boom part which everyone knows happens during recessionary times)as I imagined the number who have emigrated would have decreased the population.

    The population went up by 341,000 between 2006 and 2011 and has increased by one million since 1991. The lazy overpaid PS workers are on shift now delivering the newest additions to the baby boom while the keyboard warriors who mostly don't have a clue what they are talking about are sitting at home in front of their computers.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,395 ✭✭✭✭mikemac1


    micropig wrote: »
    Down with this sort of thing:D
    micropig wrote: »
    the Basxters:D:p:D
    micropig wrote: »
    I make polish babies, I hear free communion dresses :D
    micropig wrote: »
    myself:D

    Someone has been hitting the booze and is merry tonight ;)


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,366 ✭✭✭micropig


    mikemac1 wrote: »
    Someone has been hitting the booze and is merry tonight ;)


    Wannna bet a game of poker on it?;):D:p

    How do you know I'm drunk, cryptic??


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,616 ✭✭✭Vizzy


    To be honest he is making more sense tonight than he usually does


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,366 ✭✭✭micropig


    I'd send you on a fact finding mission;)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,366 ✭✭✭micropig


    Vizzy wrote: »
    To be honest he is making more sense tonight than he usually does

    Touche:D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,305 ✭✭✭✭K-9


    mishkalucy wrote: »
    The population has been increasing and will keep increasing?
    Even with the amount of non-nationals who have returned home, not to mention emigration?

    GDP has dropped as well so the % spend will drop as well, which is the usual way of measuring internationally.

    Some wont be happy until wages and numbers are halved, they think it will solve everything.

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,679 ✭✭✭Freddie59


    woodoo wrote: »
    I'm alright jack Freddie
    For now......


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 84 ✭✭seniorstaff


    Ive said it before I will say it again all public sector works are ...... wait I got banned the last time I called them all scum so better not do that again.

    So all Nurses, Gardai , Firefighters, Prison officers, Teachers, postal workers, Soldiers, are scum in your eyes

    Why do you call them that?:confused:


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 232 ✭✭LilyCricket


    Someone with one arm was looking for a grant there 2 weeks ago, studying music he said.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 37,214 ✭✭✭✭Dudess


    Ive said it before I will say it again all public sector works are ...... wait I got banned the last time I called them all scum so better not do that again.

    So all Nurses, Gardai , Firefighters, Prison officers, Teachers, postal workers, Soldiers, are scum in your eyes

    Why do you call them that?:confused:
    Because it's fashionable to say the entire public service is scum without putting thought into it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,366 ✭✭✭micropig


    Someone with one arm was looking for a grant there 2 weeks ago, studying music he said.

    Sounds genuine:p:D


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,202 ✭✭✭Rabidlamb


    So all Nurses, Gardai , Firefighters, Prison officers, Teachers, postal workers, Soldiers, are scum in your eyes

    Why do you call them that?:confused:

    Of course they're not that term which he didn't use directly.
    People in the private sector on an average wage of €30k just find it difficult to look at those on an average wage of €50k while the country is borrowing €400 million a week.
    The fact that increments weren't stopped adds more insult to injury.

    Noonan has to find €3.6 billion again next December, tax, vat & duty seem to be tapped out, it's just a question will Labour will allow FG to take on the CPA or the Welfare budget.
    It'll be easier batter dole scroungers so I predict they'll take the brunt this year.
    The Unions will do a deal on CPA Mark 2 which will see savings from 2014 on.
    Labour won't bring down the government as FG could get in with Independents based on the latest Polls.
    Interesting times ahead.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,632 ✭✭✭Feeona


    A rant about the public sector masquerading as a birr ov a laff! Well I never :eek:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 37,214 ✭✭✭✭Dudess


    You'd have to be considerably senior to earn 50k in the public sector. I know this because I, unlike its most vocal detractors (who'd happily work there if they got in) have worked there.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,210 ✭✭✭gerryo777


    Rabidlamb wrote: »
    Of course they're not that term which he didn't use directly.
    People in the private sector on an average wage of €30k just find it difficult to look at those on an average wage of €50k while the country is borrowing €400 million a week.
    The fact that increments weren't stopped adds more insult to injury.

    Noonan has to find €3.6 billion again next December, tax, vat & duty seem to be tapped out, it's just a question will Labour will allow FG to take on the CPA or the Welfare budget.
    It'll be easier batter dole scroungers so I predict they'll take the brunt this year.
    The Unions will do a deal on CPA Mark 2 which will see savings from 2014 on.
    Labour won't bring down the government as FG could get in with Independents based on the latest Polls.
    Interesting times ahead.

    Who in your opinion are the 'dole scroungers'?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,202 ✭✭✭Rabidlamb


    gerryo777 wrote: »
    Who in your opinion are the 'dole scroungers'?

    "Dole Scroungers" should mean those who abuse the system & choose welfare over work.
    The right wing media would paint a wider brush & use it as a lazy term to encompass all welfare recipients.
    I use it to illustrate how it is easier to sell welfare cuts instead of PS pay reductions.
    There is no such derogatory term for the collective of nurses, guards, firemen, teachers etc.
    I believe PS pay cuts will come further down the line as part of a CPA2.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,202 ✭✭✭Rabidlamb


    David McWilliams: Teachers need to learn hard lessons about pay
    http://www.independent.ie/opinion/columnists/david-mcwilliams/david-mcwilliams-teachers-need-to-learn-hard-lessons-about-pay-3076672.html
    Sensible teachers are being led up the garden path by their union leaders and their expectations will be dashed, leading to anger.

    I heard the INTO national conference on the radio yesterday. Did you? If you did, you would have heard a union leadership who are living in cloud cuckooland. On the radio, I heard fighting talk about the Croke Park Agreement and how it is sacrosanct.

    In normal times, few would disagree that teachers should get their dues. They should be well paid and well resourced. In fact, resources in primary should be increased, over all other levels of education, because we know that the more resources that are thrown at young children, the greater the outcome, in terms of kids from poor backgrounds getting a better education and a better 'leg-up' in life.

    But from the point of view of salaries and pay rates, it seems that the idea that our country is bankrupt has evaded the teachers' union leaders.

    Teachers are not being singled out, nor are they being picked on. There just isn't the cash out there.
    But for the Croke Park Agreement, the writing is on the wall. The State can't afford it. Never mind all the spin we are seeing and hearing right now from the likes of the NTMA or the Department of Finance. There will be no going back to the markets next year. The Spanish and Italian bond markets are getting hammered. There is no way in the world that anyone is going to lend to Ireland, unless we offer a realistic way out of this and stop pretending that national wage deals signed in 2010 have any realistic hope of being paid.

    It strikes me that the union bosses are leading their members up a garden path if they keep telling them that the commitments entered into in the Croke Park deal can be met. This can only lead to disappointment. And there are few things more irresponsible than false hope.

    Look at this from the context of a teacher who has to consider an ambitious student. Mammy wants him to do an honours paper in the Leaving Cert. But you, the teacher, know he's just not up to it and would be better off dropping to a pass and focusing on the subjects that he is good at.

    What do you do? Do you tell him and save him the disappointment in August? Or do you raise his hopes, hopes that you know can never be fulfilled? It's your choice.

    The union bosses have the same choice.


    I believe Mr. McWilliams is suggesting a shorter time frame for the break up of the CPA than even I suggested.
    This week of sabre rattling by the teaching unions will only turn political support against them.
    The media already have the knives out quoting the impressive salaries in every news report.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,297 ✭✭✭talla10


    Maybe if the people in the private sector were smarter they would have realized they should have gotten public sector jobs years ago.


    / strirring nice and thick...:pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,822 ✭✭✭Mickey H


    talla10 wrote: »
    Maybe if the people in the private sector were smarter they would have realized they should have gotten public sector jobs years ago.


    / strirring nice and thick...:pac:

    We have a winner!! :D


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,202 ✭✭✭Rabidlamb


    talla10 wrote: »
    Maybe if the people in the private sector were smarter they would have realized they should have gotten public sector jobs years ago.


    / strirring nice and thick...:pac:

    I wouldn't be able to look at myself in the mirror knowing my bankrupt country was over paying me obscenely & putting itself more & more in debt.:rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,146 ✭✭✭StephenHendry


    talla10 wrote: »
    Maybe if the people in the private sector were smarter they would have realized they should have gotten public sector jobs years ago.


    / strirring nice and thick...:pac:
    lol :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,366 ✭✭✭micropig


    talla10 wrote: »
    Maybe if the people in the private sector were smarter they would have realized they should have gotten public sector jobs years ago.


    / strirring nice and thick...:pac:


    I am competent
    I am a hard worker
    I take pride in my work
    I am not lazy
    I do not have an over inflated ego and sense of entitlement
    I am not a moaning whinger

    ...I wouldn't fit in:p


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,679 ✭✭✭Freddie59


    talla10 wrote: »
    Maybe if the people in the private sector were smarter they would have realized they should have gotten public sector jobs years ago.


    / strirring nice and thick...:pac:

    Ha ha. Still laughing at that one. Ah that ole Egyptian River............


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,897 ✭✭✭MagicSean


    Rabidlamb wrote: »
    I wouldn't be able to look at myself in the mirror knowing my bankrupt country was over paying me obscenely & putting itself more & more in debt.:rolleyes:

    You'd be happier knowing your child is being thought by the lowest bidder? Remember the saying, "If you pay peanuts, you get monkeys"Higher wages attract better quality applicants for jobs. Teachers have one of the most important jobs in the country. We should be looking at ways to get the most from them. This should involve getting rid of teachers that don't match up to the high standards that there pay level demands.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 37,214 ✭✭✭✭Dudess


    Rabidlamb wrote: »
    I wouldn't be able to look at myself in the mirror knowing my bankrupt country was over paying me obscenely & putting itself more & more in debt.:rolleyes:
    Bet ya'd be juuuuuuuuuust fine - and happy to take a public sector job. ;)
    And also, the statistical possibility of you being grossly overpaid is extremely low.

    Overall, between the two, I've preferred the private sector to work in.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,366 ✭✭✭micropig


    MagicSean wrote: »
    "Higher wages attract better quality applicants for jobs.

    History shows otherwise


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