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Yes Kenny Dalglish and Liverpool are done. MOD POST #425 *ALL READ*

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  • #572
    K-9
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,313 ✭✭✭✭K-9


    cambo2008 wrote: »
    Different times indeed.You didn't get a sniff of the European cup for finishing 4th back then.

    Hence me mentioning Spurs, Everton and Ipswich, UEFA or Cup Winners Cup winners, Liverpool won it twice as well during that era. United couldn't even boast about European trophies during their famine and point to them as progress.

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



  • #573
    CSF
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    Leiva wrote: »
    Very true.

    And you didn't get a goal for ten back passes either ;) . nor did winning the European or league titles mean any less or any easier then, than they do today .

    Catch my drift :)
    European titles have of course been devalued by the fact that 4th place finishers in leagues have been allowed enter.

    There was a time when the Champions League was for champions and it of course was more prestigious, even if the allowing of more of the money teams into the competition has improved the standard.


  • #574
    Leiva
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    CSF wrote: »
    European titles have of course been devalued by the fact that 4th place finishers in leagues have been allowed enter.

    There was a time when the Champions League was for champions and it of course was more prestigious, even if the allowing of more of the money teams into the competition has improved the standard.

    Devalued but no less harder to win .
    All that happens now is that some rounds and games are ridiculous and not great spectacles to watch; the lesser teams get a whipping.


  • #575
    counterlock
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    Leiva wrote: »
    Devalued but no less harder to win .
    All that happens now is that some rounds and games are ridiculous and not great spectacles to watch; the lesser teams get a whipping.

    I'd suggest its harder to win now given the fact that you have to play more games, need a bigger squad to cope with it and the league and the standard is light years higher than it was.
    Barcelona's achievment of two titles in the last three years is much more difficult to achieve in this day and age.


  • #576
    K-9
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    counterlock wrote: »
    I'd suggest its harder to win now given the fact that you have to play more games, need a bigger squad to cope with it and the league and the standard is light years higher than it was.
    Barcelona's achievment of two titles in the last three years is much more difficult to achieve in this day and age.

    Yeah, but you had the UEFA Cup in those days, think 2nd and 3rd got into it and maybe the LC winners.

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



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  • #577
    counterlock
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    K-9 wrote: »
    Yeah, but you had the UEFA Cup in those days, think 2nd and 3rd got into it and maybe the LC winners.

    Harder to qualify for - yes


  • #578
    willmunny1990
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    eagle eye wrote: »
    Its crazy the way this thread is so popular but nobody was ragging on about Mancini with anywhere close to the same venom when Manchester City went out of the Champion's league in December despite having spent £250 million during his 23 months at the club and having only an FA Cup to show for it.

    And its not like he didn't have a good squad before he went and spent that money with Hart, Kompany, Richards, Lescott, Zaballeta, Barry, De Jong and Tevez already there.

    Yet here we are with Dalglish around `15 months back at Liverpool having spent a lot less money and a trophy in the bag already and he should be gone.

    manchester city are going in the right direction overall under mancini. Liverpool are going backwards overall under Dalglish.

    therein lies the difference. but you already knew that, didn't you?


  • #579
    Nalz
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    Sappy404 wrote: »
    After all going out in the first round of the League Cup to a 2nd division side, horrendous as it was, isn't the only reason he was sacked.

    Yet it pops a few times in this thread. Purely because King Kenny won the Carling cup (jon penalties in the final to a championship side - just!) and is the semi finals of the FA Cup. The Northampton result was bad but it can be put down to a fluke, just like Manchester United drawing to Exeter.


  • #580
    K-9
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    counterlock wrote: »
    Harder to qualify for - yes

    Nope. You said the CL is easier to qualify for, obviously. If you add in the UEFA Cup they are nearly on a par, the UEFA Cup was a well regarded cup at the time. 2nd and 3rd qualified for it so not that much different. I get it though, anything to avoid the lack of trophies at United in that time.
    Trilla wrote: »
    Yet it pops a few times in this thread. Purely because King Kenny won the Carling cup (jon penalties in the final to a championship side - just!) and is the semi finals of the FA Cup. The Northampton result was bad but it can be put down to a fluke, just like Manchester United drawing to Exeter.

    But it obviously wasn't a fluke result, he was consistently shyte.

    Dalglish could have a cup double to point to at the end of the season, beating some good sides a long the way. A win is a win after all, putting out full strength teams would be the criticism I'd have of him in the cups.

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



  • #581
    eagle eye
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    willmunny1990 wrote: »
    manchester city are going in the right direction overall under mancini. Liverpool are going backwards overall under Dalglish.

    therein lies the difference. but you already knew that, didn't you?
    They have won their first silverware in 6 years, thats progress.


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  • #582
    willmunny1990
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,432 ✭✭✭willmunny1990


    eagle eye wrote: »
    They have won their first silverware in 6 years, thats progress.

    they won the same cup Birmingham City won last year. Have they progressed too?


  • #583
    counterlock
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    K-9 wrote: »
    Nope. You said the CL is easier to qualify for, obviously. If you add in the UEFA Cup they are nearly on a par, the UEFA Cup was a well regarded cup at the time. 2nd and 3rd qualified for it so not that much different. I get it though, anything to avoid the lack of trophies at United in that time.

    You oviously dont. I wasn't avoiding anything other than taking the bait. If anything its more prestigious now, in that you will have to beat better teams to win it.


  • #584
    gosplan
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    K-9 wrote: »
    Dalglish could have a cup double to point to at the end of the season, beating some good sides a long the way. A win is a win after all, putting out full strength teams would be the criticism I'd have of him in the cups.

    This is the point that naysayers fail to grasp, or are happy to ignore, and it seems to be the same people slating Wenger for not winning a trophy in years that are now saying that Kenny's cups suddenly don't count.

    Liverpool have faltered in the league mainly due to not scoring goals but they've only really begun to put in poor performances since Arsenal did that smash and grab and they knew that Europa places were all they were playing for.

    IMO, they've given up on the league and while it's not fully professional, it's not that surprising either.

    Focus on the cup and end the season, then let Kenny rev them up for the next one.


  • #585
    gosplan
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    willmunny1990 wrote: »
    they won the same cup Birmingham City won last year. Have they progressed too?

    If Arsenal won that final, it would have been absolutely viewed as progress.


  • #586
    willmunny1990
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,432 ✭✭✭willmunny1990


    gosplan wrote: »
    If Arsenal won that final, it would have been absolutely viewed as progress.

    If arsenal had won that final and finished 7th in the league, would it have been viewed as progress?


  • #587
    K-9
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    counterlock wrote: »
    You oviously dont. I wasn't avoiding anything other than taking the bait. If anything its more prestigious now, in that you will have to beat better teams to win it.

    What bait? Its simple, the reason Spurs and Ipswich won UEFA Cups was because they finished 2nd or 3rd. United weren't even doing that during that time.

    So EC + UEFA = CL now!

    Next it'll be the standard was lower! :D

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



  • #588
    counterlock
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    K-9 wrote: »
    What bait? Its simple, the reason Spurs and Ipswich won UEFA Cups was because they finished 2nd or 3rd. United weren't even doing that during that time.

    So EC + UEFA = CL now!

    Next it'll be the standard was lower! :D

    Its funny, I never heard about it being devalued or less prestigious when Liverpool won it by finishing 4th in the league.

    I can't understand why Liverpool fans keep bringing Ferguson into this saying he should have been sacked. I think its fair to say that since then he has redeemed himself since.


  • #589
    Melion
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    Can we close this thread? Willmunny is even starting to make sense


  • #590
    _blank_
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    "our low ebb is better than your low ebb"

    is that what it's come to for Liverpool fans here?


    hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaaaaa :D:D:D


  • #591
    Fuhrer
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    Des wrote: »
    "our low ebb is better than your low ebb"

    is that what it's come to for Liverpool fans here?


    hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaaaaa :D:D:D


    Makes a nice change from our tragedy is more tragic than your tragedy


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  • #592
    fullstop
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    Morricone wrote: »
    You see unlike Chelsea, here at Liverpool Football Club we like to spend within our means, be fiscally prudent and not buy and sack our way to success.

    Kenny is that you? Or are you just posting from Anfield...or Melwood?


  • #593
    Leiva
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    Fuhrer wrote: »
    Makes a nice change from our tragedy is more tragic than your tragedy

    niiiiice.




    you stay classy you hear


  • #594
    murpho999
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    Fuhrer wrote: »
    Makes a nice change from our tragedy is more tragic than your tragedy


    None are as tragic as your posts.


  • #595
    Fuhrer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,661 ✭✭✭Fuhrer


    murpho999 wrote: »
    None are as tragic as your posts.

    "I know you are but what am I?"


  • #596
    Leiva
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,117 ✭✭✭✭Leiva


    Fuhrer wrote: »
    "I know you are but what am I?"

    Not a very nice person maybe ?


  • #597
    Turtyturd
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    Fuhrer wrote: »
    Makes a nice change from our tragedy is more tragic than your tragedy

    Ohhhhh look you posted something controversial in the hope of racking up a few thanks from fellow supporters of your club. :rolleyes:


  • #598
    Fuhrer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,661 ✭✭✭Fuhrer


    Turtyturd wrote: »
    Ohhhhh look you posted something controversial in the hope of racking up a few thanks from fellow supporters of your club. :rolleyes:


    Yeah, because that would never happen from liverpool fans, would it?


    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=74439540&postcount=3429


  • #599
    stumpypeeps
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    No doubt in my mind Dalglish should be persevered with for another season. Comolli needs to assert some sort of authority on transfers and balance cost with ability.

    Dalglish is under scrutiny because of the transfers he has made. Nothing else in my opinion.

    Carroll and to a lesser extent Downing and Henderson have simply not worked.


  • #600
    Nalz
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    K-9 wrote: »
    But it obviously wasn't a fluke result, he was consistently shyte.

    I agree, but that result aside their record is similar if people want to compare, which would mean Kenny was just as consistently shyte. You said it yourself Kenny played stronger sides (I don't know this for a fact when it comes to the first rounds of the carling cup) in the competitions so maybe its unfair to be bringing up being knocked out by Northampton at home on pens.
    Fuhrer wrote: »
    Makes a nice change from our tragedy is more tragic than your tragedy

    Or the staying classy line "no matter how much you talk about us or how shíte our results and performances are, we'll always have a place in the game nobody else has or will have"

    Which I questioned earlier, genuinely looking for an answer as to what that means but it got removed/deleted somehow. Maybe I didn't word my question classy enough.


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  • #601
    Will I Amnt
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    K-9 wrote: »
    Hence me mentioning Spurs, Everton and Ipswich, UEFA or Cup Winners Cup winners, Liverpool won it twice as well during that era. United couldn't even boast about European trophies during their famine and point to them as progress.
    What I meant there was ye wouldn't have had the champions league runs under the old qualification format.
    Those runs glossed over the league form a fair bit.


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