Getting rid of the diving!

Guy:Incognito · 03-04-2012 05:45PM

Richard Hillman wrote: »

I think players have a professional duty to win at all costs.Them winning a game could be worth millions to their employers.

So then is diving now acceptable in professional football but not in junior football?

dfx- · 03-04-2012 06:06PM

As long as football remains a little physical contact sport that it is, diving will be an advantage and will be exploited. Talk of after-the-event punishment by TV just isn't workable except for the TV leagues.

Much like it's perfectly ok for a batsman to stand his ground when there's been a low catch claimed that won't be proven to be a catch even by TV.

There's no comparison to rugby where you have to gouge someone's eyes before the referee will take notice. A tap of the ankles is allowed and encouraged.

Guy:Incognito · 03-04-2012 06:08PM

dfx- wrote: »

. Talk of after-the-event punishment by TV just isn't workable except for the TV leagues.
.

It's as workable as anythign that isnt available to the lowest level of the sport. Anythign from expensive balls to the extra linesmen at the sides of the goals (or any linesmen at all depending where you play :-) ).

dfx- wrote: »

A tap of the ankles is allowed and encouraged.

and where a lot of players dont lose their footing from it.:)

dfx- · 03-04-2012 06:21PM

Different conditioning for different games though. 'Injuries' that occur in other sports would have footballers rolling in agony.

Belted on the back of the knee or head with a cricket ball thrown at you at 80mph...tripped in rugby...it's part of the game. There is an advantage in football because practically no contact is allowed. You don't get a free-kick in cricket for being hit and you don't get any advantage by being tripped in rugby.

You do in football so you make it look like you have been. This "but there was contact" justifying penalties and fouls is as bad as diving.

greendom · 03-04-2012 06:24PM

Brendan97 wrote: »

It was a joke, lighten up a bit

Yes, but that is mearly what he was exposed to, there werent modern training techniques then, they werent training flat-out every day (most days but not every day), it wasn't uncommon to go out the night before a game, compared to now were a player who goes out before a game is fined and dropped, it is generally frowned upon, if best had've grown up in modern times he could easily be one of the best players in the world.
(and its actually utmost)

Non-divers?
It was a joke really

You ought to try this code [ironic] [/ironic]

St.Spodo · 03-04-2012 06:39PM

It is so ubiquitous and so ingrained in the culture of the game that only crude and badly executed dives are given attention. Players going down easily, leaving a trailing leg for the foul and participating in other such hornswoggling is also cheating. Diving is here to stay.

Richard Hillman · 03-04-2012 07:44PM

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Richard Hillman wrote: »

I think players have a professional duty to win at all costs.Them winning a game could be worth millions to their employers.

So then is diving now acceptable in professional football but not in junior football?

I feel its a personal choice to cheat in junior football. In pro football it is your duty to win at all costs.

iregk · 03-04-2012 09:19PM

Brendan97 wrote: »

Yes, but that is mearly what he was exposed to, there werent modern training techniques then, they werent training flat-out every day (most days but not every day), it wasn't uncommon to go out the night before a game, compared to now were a player who goes out before a game is fined and dropped, it is generally frowned upon, if best had've grown up in modern times he could easily be one of the best players in the world.
(and its actually utmost)

Really you sure? I find it amazing how the constant argument (not incorrectly so by any stretch) is that Best would have been different or adapted to modern techniques. This is often opposed to the fact that a modern player could in no way adapt to the old way of playing. Had Messi say grown up in the Best era how do we know he wouldn't be equally as class as he is now?

citytillidie · 03-04-2012 09:55PM

Leftist wrote: »

Decisions like that are ignored practically every second game. but for liverpool it's a conspiracy. He seen it last minute and moved his shoulder towards the ball, yes it struck his upper arm but get over it, it was from about two yards.

it's well beyond a joke now with liverool crying cheat. Suarez is the worst example in football.

I was pointing out how people go on about the hand ball at the World Cup when there has been plenty of other players who have done it.

Yes that tackle from Suarez was very bad.

handsomecake · 03-04-2012 10:20PM

citytillidie wrote: »

I was pointing out how people go on about the hand ball at the World Cup when there has been plenty of other players who have done it.

Yes that tackle from Suarez was very bad.

footballers are a distasteful bunch but this suarez guy is a classless individual.what a cheating dishonest thug. the two clips above are outrageous

citytillidie · 03-04-2012 10:26PM

handsomecake wrote: »

footballers are a distasteful bunch but this suarez guy is a classless individual.what a cheating dishonest thug. the two clips above are outrageous

Oh yea up there with this guy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDit7gOq-Qk

Nothing much said about this guy's challenge

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rArpZ-wvtTU

or this thug

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDQtnVMLVjc

Magill · 03-04-2012 11:06PM

citytillidie wrote: »

Oh yea up there with this guy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDit7gOq-Qk

Nothing much said about this guy's challenge

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rArpZ-wvtTU

or this thug

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDQtnVMLVjc

saurez is on completely different level to any of those.. biting, hand of godding, racism, diving, awful tackling like that above. Good player.. but an absolute scumbag... at least on the pitch.

citytillidie · 04-04-2012 12:11AM

Magill wrote: »

saurez is on completely different level to any of those.. biting, hand of godding, racism, diving, awful tackling like that above. Good player.. but an absolute scumbag... at least on the pitch.

I would agree with you if none of those players handled a ball, were good at tackling, and did not dive.

I would rather be bitten than have my balls stamped on.

Not touching the racism thing as well that has been done to death on here already.

fryup · 04-04-2012 08:19AM

quarryman wrote: »

all he had to do is roll it into the net:rolleyes:

and he makes a complete horlicks of it..what was Dagleish thinking of buying him waste of space

Kevster · 08-04-2012 11:51PM

...obviously Dalgleish is just an incompetent. I equate footballers who dive to people in other professions who take shortcuts and do half-assed jobs. They like the easy way through things as opposed to making effort. They're the type of people who blame others for their mistakes as opposed to looking at themselves.

The majority of premiership footballers are average.

kleefarr · 09-04-2012 12:00AM

I agree, it is very annoying.
The only way that this and other irregularities in football/soccer will get ironed out, is if they go the same way as Rugby Union/League. No descent from players and any queries referred to a 4th video ref. Doesn't take long.

Can't see it happening while Septic Bladder has got his strangle hold on things though.

argosy2006 · 09-04-2012 01:29AM

Ashley Young dive made me do this,
And i have not stopped since,

Professional Griefer · 09-04-2012 01:40AM

argosy2006 wrote: »

Ashley Young dive made me do this,
And i have not stopped since,

I don't even want to know what you did when Carroll when down against Newcastle.

argosy2006 · 09-04-2012 02:06AM

Ix Deadmau5 wrote: »

I don't even want to know what you did when Carroll when down against Newcastle.

For that i one i was confined to a padded room for 3 days,
I'm making progress

d22ontour · 09-04-2012 02:10AM

Trial by TV with a minimum 5 game ban to any player diving,feigning injury to get players sent off etc.It has been a joke for too long with no governing body having the balls to tackle it.

dfx- · 09-04-2012 03:38AM

Interesting case with Madrid's number 7 tonight. TV Cameras clearly show 'contact' in my opinion and given some ridiculous decisions, there'd be TV referees who'd give a foul to Madrid and a red card. Yet the referee was applauded and supported for his decision to give nothing.

Trial by TV...none the clearer.

cson · 11-04-2012 09:30PM

Great example of why players go down and stay down tonight at Molineux. Aaron Ramsey was clearly fouled in the box but got up and attempted to get a shot away; didn't get what should have been a clearcut penalty if he'd stayed down.

Getting rid of the diving!

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