Getting rid of the diving!

Giggsy11 · 03-04-2012 12:07PM

Brendan97 wrote: »

They should change football back to the way it was 50-60 years ago, for a couple of seasons, when if you chopped a player down from behind it was seen as a good tackle (even with no ball contact)
The days when george best was playing! (Thats why i respect him above any modern day footballer, they wouldn't last a game back then)
That would mean divers, either cut it out and play or don't start and get moved to a league 2 team

I would hate to call it as football and we wont have any good players on the field.

iregk · 03-04-2012 01:31PM

Brendan97 wrote: »

The days when george best was playing! (Thats why i respect him above any modern day footballer, they wouldn't last a game back then)

and George Best wouldn't last 90mins in today fast paced athletic game where physical strength and stamina are of the up most importance. He'd be out of gas by half time.

Paully D · 03-04-2012 01:41PM

Another ridiculous dive from that Newcastle V Liverpool game that seems to have gone unnoticed:

_blank_ · 03-04-2012 01:43PM

That scumbag Suarez clearly had a knife hidden in his arm there. :rolleyes:

ShooterSF · 03-04-2012 01:43PM

Des wrote: »

ShooterSF wrote: »

or not pointing out you simply lost balance to a ref that gives a foul should see a suspension after a post match review.

lolwut?

I know that's a pipe dream but if snooker players can own up to mistakes refs miss why can't footballers?

_blank_ · 03-04-2012 01:44PM

ShooterSF wrote: »

I know that's a pipe dream but if snooker players can own up to mistakes refs miss why can't footballers?

lawl

greendom · 03-04-2012 01:48PM

Brendan97 wrote: »

They should change football back to the way it was 50-60 years ago, for a couple of seasons, when if you chopped a player down from behind it was seen as a good tackle (even with no ball contact)
The days when george best was playing! (Thats why i respect him above any modern day footballer, they wouldn't last a game back then)
That would mean divers, either cut it out and play or don't start and get moved to a league 2 team

And who would benefit from that apart from thuggish defenders. ?

ShooterSF · 03-04-2012 01:48PM

Des wrote: »

ShooterSF wrote: »

I know that's a pipe dream but if snooker players can own up to mistakes refs miss why can't footballers?

lawl

Outside of the fact that it won't be enforced ever and neither will bans for diving btw, is there anything wrong with aiming for fair play?

Guy:Incognito · 03-04-2012 01:56PM

Flancrest wrote: »

Its just when they're running at full pace a slight knock will bring them down

And yet all players dont go down. Which indicates that theres an element of choice. The fact that it seems to happen much more often in the box or around the edge of it in a nice spot for afree kick is just coincidence too I imagine?

Des wrote: »

ok mr ESP mindreader.

Why do I need to be a mindreader? A basic comprehension of English does just fine. You made a definate statement that they will fall with a tap on the ankle. Funnily enough, in a sport where you tackle by using your arms and you dont get a penalty or free kick when brought down, players managed to stay up and try keep running under much heavier contact. I dont think it coincidence that when you then look at football where your not allowed make contact and a player is rewarded for goign down under contact that they cant stay up under even a tiny tap.

Paully D wrote: »

Another ridiculous dive from that Newcastle V Liverpool game that seems to have gone unnoticed:

Nah , theres contact. Suarez' hip brushes off him. He'd be stupid NOT to go down. :rolleyes:

Flancrest · 03-04-2012 02:00PM

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

And yet all players dont go down. Which indicates that theres an element of choice. The fact that it seems to happen much more often in the box or around the edge of it in a nice spot for afree kick is just coincidence too I imagine?

Jesus Christ!!!!!!! Really?
People have different centers of gravity. Quicker reactions. Any number of reasons. The reason it happens around the box more is because thats the main area of the pitch a player will be moving at full speed. Have you ever actually watched a game of football or do you just watch MOTD and memorise everything Alan Hansen says

shanered · 03-04-2012 02:01PM

Its an absolute disgrace that the game has come to involve an element of theatrics.
It should be a compeditive sport that requires honest effort from its sportsmen like most sports.
Pity, thats all I can say!

Guy:Incognito · 03-04-2012 02:08PM

Flancrest wrote: »

Jesus Christ!!!!!!! Really?
People have different centers of gravity. Quicker reactions. Any number of reasons.

The reason it happens around the box more is because thats the main area of the pitch a player will be moving at full speed.

Bull**** to both of these. The same player will go down in the box under the same contact a lot quicker than at the halfway line.

The reason it happens more in the box is because thats where you get a penalty. The same as certain players will have a lie down and a roll around somewhere ont he pitch in the dieing minutes when their team is a goal up when an opposition player so much as looks at them. For personal and team gain.

Nevermind watching a game, have you ever played one?

daveyboy_1ie · 03-04-2012 02:09PM

Has it actually been confirmed what Perch was booked for? if its the theatrics then great, if its the initial tripping of Reina then questions have to be asked if further punishment could have been handed out.

Flancrest · 03-04-2012 02:10PM

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Bull**** to both of these. The same player will go down in the box under the same contact a lot quicker than at the halfway line.

The reason it happens more in the box is because thats where you get a penalty. The same as certain players will have a lie down and a roll around somewhere ont he pitch in the dieing minutes when their team is a goal up when an opposition player so much as looks at them. For personal and team gain.

Nevermind watching a game, have you ever played one?

Play and Manage on a weekly basis. You?

Guy:Incognito · 03-04-2012 02:11PM

daveyboy_1ie wrote: »

Has it actually been confirmed what Perch was booked for? if its the theatrics then great, if its the initial tripping of Reina then questions have to be asked if further punishment could have been handed out.

How could it be his theatrics? Reina was sent off for the headbutt, so that means the ref reckons there was contact.

It'd be like giving Carroll a peno as well as carding him for diving.

Flancrest wrote: »

Play and Manage on a weekly basis. You?

Never had ambitions above playing myself. Moved back to playing Rugby a few years back and havnt looked back. I've actually lost a lot of interest in football since. Never thought it would happen, but it did.

Maybe the managing side explains your point of view so. You want your team to win "by whatever mean s necessary" as you said yourself. **** the game, as long as you win.

Flancrest · 03-04-2012 02:14PM

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

How could it be his theatrics? Reina was sent off for the headbutt, so that means the ref reckons there was contact.

It'd be like giving Carroll a peno as well as carding him for diving.

That is actually possible. If a referee deems the player was infact fouled but makes too much of it in an effort to have a more serious penalty imposed on his opponent he could rightly be booked for his theatrics and awarded a peno

Flancrest · 03-04-2012 02:15PM

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Never had ambitions above playing myself.

Maybe the managing side explains your point of view so. You want your team to win "by whatever mean s necessary" as you said yourself. **** the game, as long as you win.

So you don't have a good footballing brain. That's fair enough.

Guy:Incognito · 03-04-2012 02:17PM

Flancrest wrote: »

So you don't have a good footballing brain. That's fair enough.

Only players with football brains become managers do they? If anything my footballing brain far outweighed my ability, I just never had (as yet) the desire to be a manager.

Flancrest · 03-04-2012 02:18PM

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Only players with football brains become managers do they? If anything my footballing brain far outweighed my ability, I just never had (as yet) the desire to be a manager.

Good managers like myself? Correct.

Leftist · 03-04-2012 02:31PM

Des wrote: »

That scumbag Suarez clearly had a knife hidden in his arm there. :rolleyes:

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Nah , theres contact. Suarez' hip brushes off him. He'd be stupid NOT to go down. :rolleyes:

poor suarez.

Wonder why he has that kind of reputation.

A vast conspiracy against 'de pool'.

Guy:Incognito · 03-04-2012 02:35PM

It's good you hold yourself in high regard. But the phrase. About self praise comes to mind.

Obviously not in your case but oftentimes in junior football (as with other sports) , football ability or a football brain comes second to willingness to give up their time and to deal with the **** that comes with the job when it's time to find a manager.

Flancrest · 03-04-2012 02:42PM

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

It's good you hold yourself in high regard. But the phrase. About self praise comes to mind.

Obviously not in your case but oftentimes in junior football (as with other sports) , football ability or a football brain comes second to willingness to give up their time and to deal with the **** that comes with the job when it's time to find a manager.

Sorry I may be reading this wrong but it makes no sense to me

Fuhrer · 03-04-2012 02:44PM

Flancrest, you new?

Are you one of those who claims his opinions must be taken more seriously because you've "played the game"?

Flancrest · 03-04-2012 02:49PM

Fuhrer wrote: »

Flancrest, you new?

Are you one of those who claims his opinions must be taken more seriously because you've "played the game"?

Not at all. But in some cases playing experience does help. Like in this instance talking about why a player may go down when it seems they didn't recieve a heavy knock

RiseToTheTop · 03-04-2012 03:34PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3_ocUYu244

Richard Hillman · 03-04-2012 03:53PM

I think players have a professional duty to win at all costs. Them winning a game could be worth millions to their employers. I really dont think the football authorities have much interest in trying to get rid of it, otherwise they would have years ago.

Something that i dont understand is the reaction of football fans when a player dives. Yes its cheating but isnt a defender pulling on somebodies shirt also cheating but doesnt provoke nearly as much fury from the fans. Thierry Henry cheated with his handball. As captain of the national team it was his duty to get France to the W.C and he did. Obviously Irish fans were furious at this but you can guarantee that when the Irish defence were defending corners or free kicks they we doing a bit of shirt pulling and manhandling French forwards.

IMO the form of cheating that is ruining football the most are cynical and intentional fouls. Its usually just punished with a yellow card but i think if a ref feels the player fouled somebody purposely, it should be a red card. The fouling player again is just doing his professional duty, no more or no less than getting somebody sent off.

The game is the game.

shanered · 03-04-2012 04:20PM

The game is the game, but the game is shaped by the rules and the referree's able to change the game.
I think most people understand that every player is going to do whatever he can do to win, especially since there is so many factors mainly financial!!
But the game could be changed to not allow this carry-on.
And I reckon most people would like to see this!
Would make for a good poll I reckon!

batistuta9 · 03-04-2012 04:53PM

Flancrest wrote: »

Not at all. But in some cases playing experience does help. Like in this instance talking about why a player may go down when it seems they didn't recieve a heavy knock

you have you played for and who do you manage? just out of interest

counterlock · 03-04-2012 04:58PM

Flancrest wrote: »

Well based on this thread I clearly know more about football than most.

Flancrest wrote: »

So you don't have a good footballing brain. That's fair enough.

Flancrest wrote: »

Play and Manage on a weekly basis. You?

Flancrest wrote: »

Good managers like myself? Correct.

Is it your objective to descend every thread into a pi**ing contest?
You should have your own thread - no sticky - called Flancrest school of soccer. That way you could educate us on your philosophy on how next season 'they will get so much time on the ball' in Europe and 'Dirk Kuyt will easily score two' past United or city.
Having a read through your previous posts in the soccer forum, your knowledge of soccer stinks IMHO, as does your attitude to people who hold different opionions than yours.

Brendan97 · 03-04-2012 05:35PM

Giggsy11 wrote: »

I would hate to call it as football and we wont have any good players on the field.

It was a joke, lighten up a bit

iregk wrote: »

and George Best wouldn't last 90mins in today fast paced athletic game where physical strength and stamina are of the up most importance. He'd be out of gas by half time.

Yes, but that is mearly what he was exposed to, there werent modern training techniques then, they werent training flat-out every day (most days but not every day), it wasn't uncommon to go out the night before a game, compared to now were a player who goes out before a game is fined and dropped, it is generally frowned upon, if best had've grown up in modern times he could easily be one of the best players in the world.
(and its actually utmost)

greendom wrote: »

And who would benefit from that apart from thuggish defenders. ?

Non-divers?
It was a joke really

Getting rid of the diving!

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