Yes Kenny Dalglish and Liverpool are done. MOD POST #425 ALL READ

Xavi6 · 02-04-2012 05:45PM

mixednuts wrote: »

No not really .

YNWA

Look forward to seeing at the end of every post so, I'll be keeping an eye out.

Maybe it can become Kenny's slogan - You'll Never Work Again

5starpool · 02-04-2012 05:46PM

Leftist wrote: »

if by us you mean liverpool supporters then I am not surprised.

As Perch has twittered:
To all Liverpool fans giving me stick, what did Carroll do at the other end #AlwaysTheVictimsItsNeverYourFault

Carroll got punished for his dive, Perch didn't, although he got booked for the kick out.

Melion · 02-04-2012 05:47PM

Xavi6 wrote: »

Look forward to seeing at the end of every post so, I'll be keeping an eye out.

Maybe it can become Kenny's slogan - You'll Never Work Again

Oh come on, you are better than that

Helix · 02-04-2012 05:48PM

5starpool wrote: »

Carroll got punished for his dive, Perch didn't, although he got booked for the kick out.

not defending it, but at least there was contact for the perch incident

perhaps carroll shouldve been sent off? after all, had the ref fallen for it krul wouldve gotten the line and liverpool wouldve had a peno

wonderfullife · 02-04-2012 05:49PM

Dotsey wrote: »

Put it into context:
Liverpool won the UEFA Cup in 2001
European Super Cup in 2001
Champions League in 2005
European Super Cup in 2005
World Club Cup Runners Up in 2005
Champions League Runners Up in 2007
Champions League Semi finals in 2008
Champions League Quarter finals in 2009
UEFA Cup semi finals in 2010

Man United apart can any other English team boast that record in Europe over the last 10/11 years? We have had 3 bad domestic seasons simple as that. What have Everton, Spurs, Arsenal, Man City done the last few years? F-all is the answer.

Liverpool are still one of the big clubs the world over with Man United, Juventus, AC Milan, Barcelona, Real Madrid, Bayern Munich etc nothing has changed because of three bad seasons

In the main that's a ridiculous post, firstly for isolating European success over domestic record and secondly meaningless Super Cups have no place on the list.

Arsenals record over a similar period:

League Titles: 2002, 2004
FA Cup: 2002, 2003, 2005
Champions League Finalists: 2006
Champions League Semi-Finalists 2009
Champions League Quarter-Finalists (multiple)

Chelsea:

League Titles: 2005, 2006, 2010
FA Cup: 2007, 2009, 2010
Champions League Finalists: 2008
Champions League Quarter Finals: multiple

Liverpool since 2001 League Positions:

2001: 3rd - 11 points from top
2002: 2nd - 7 points from top
2003: 5th - 19 points from top
2004: 4th - 30 points from top
2005: 5th - 37 points from top
2006: 3rd - 9 points from top
2007: 3rd - 21 points from top
2008: 4th - 11 points from top
2009: 2nd - 4 points from top
2010: 7th - 23 points from top
2011: 6th - 22 points from top

Is that really good enough for a club the "stature" of Liverpool? in 8 of those 11 seasons they finished over 10 points from top and on average over 11 seasons they have finished 17 points off top spot.

You can point to the Champions League title and a few solid european campaigns, but it's been a long, long time since Liverpool have posed any realistic threat domestically.

Some people need to wake up to that fact. I want nothing more than liverpool challenging for domestic honours but it hasn't happened in such a long time and, yet, every year the same noises come out of the liverpool camp, fans and otherwise, about a title bid.

Personally speaking if we are taking the period you mention, i'd infinitely rather Arsenal, Chelsea or Man United record over the period. Spurs and Man City are recently emerging, but of the classic "big 4" it's a no-brainer who has been successful over the period and 1 champions League title will not deflect from that.

wonderfullife · 02-04-2012 06:33PM

Football is very cyclical for whatever reason. The city of liverpool dominated in the 1980s - everton and liverpool swept all before them. the 1990s saw the return of Manchester with United the dominant force. The 2000s saw a re-emergence of London to compete, chelsea and arsenal with half the decades titles. As things stand the balance of power in football still remains between Manchester and London; it'll be at least another decade until the balance shifts back to Liverpool on current evidence from Liverpool and Everton.

happyman81 · 02-04-2012 06:38PM

wonderfullife wrote: »

Football is very cyclical for whatever reason. The city of liverpool dominated in the 1980s - everton and liverpool swept all before them. the 1990s saw the return of Manchester with United the dominant force. The 2000s saw a re-emergence of London to compete, chelsea and arsenal with half the decades titles. As things stand the balance of power in football still remains between Manchester and London; it'll be at least another decade until the balance shifts back to Liverpool on current evidence from Liverpool and Everton.

Looking at that, we haven't completed a cycle once, hence, football is not cyclical. As if Liverpool is destined to be great again. You can't be serious?

Cyrus · 02-04-2012 06:40PM

wonderfullife wrote: »

Liverpool since 2001 League Positions:

2009: 2nd - 4 points from top

but it's been a long, long time since Liverpool have posed any realistic threat domestically.

5starpool · 02-04-2012 06:43PM

willmunny1990 wrote: »

it's stuff like seeing people post YNWA, blathering on about league titles won 20 odd years ago as if they mean something today, slagging chelsea for having 'plastic fans' and saying things like 'Hodgson didn't ''get'' the club' is what makes people detest Liverpool football club and they wonder why they're such an easy target then things go tits up for them.

Is that why you are seemingly obsessed with Liverpool and post more about Liverpool than about Chelsea?

firemansam4 · 02-04-2012 06:58PM

A few posters on here talking about Liverpool not being a big club... use can say we haven't been a top club for a few years fair enough, but forget about all your stats of where Liverpool have finished the last few years and what cups have been won, the plain simple fact is that what defines a club as big would be far more the size of its fan base rather than how well they have done over the last few years.

Some fans also here talk about there hate towards Liverpool and its fans yet seem to always take a keen interest in posts about liverpool, Kinda mind bogling to me :rolleyes:

wonderfullife · 02-04-2012 07:25PM

happyman81 wrote: »

Looking at that, we haven't completed a cycle once, hence, football is not cyclical. As if Liverpool is destined to be great again. You can't be serious?

Don't think you read it right.....by saying i cant see liverpool being a force as a city for a decade, its meant to be read as in "within a decade, if ever" .....i cant personally see liverpool being the force they once were in the next 20 years.

i didnt want to go back that far but London dominated 1930s, Manchester 1950s/1960s liverpool 70s/80s, manchester 90s onwards, London 2000 onwards.

It tends to be cyclical.

Professional Griefer · 02-04-2012 07:26PM

firemansam4 wrote: »

A few posters on here talking about Liverpool not being a big club... use can say we haven't been a top club for a few years fair enough, but forget about all your stats of where Liverpool have finished the last few years and what cups have been won, the plain simple fact is that what defines a club as big would be far more the size of its fan base rather than how well they have done over the last few years.

Some fans also here talk about there hate towards Liverpool and its fans yet seem to always take a keen interest in posts about liverpool, Kinda mind bogling to me :rolleyes:

Well this is a discussion board, you don't have to love/not hate something to talk about it. If that was the case this place wouldn't be half as interesting.

firemansam4 · 02-04-2012 07:30PM

Ix Deadmau5 wrote: »

Well this is a discussion board, you don't have to love/not hate something to talk about it. If that was the case this place wouldn't be half as interesting.

Yes this is a discussion board and within the rules you can say what you want, but my point is if use hate Liverpool so much why do use have such interest in us?? to some of use its almost an obsession!

Paul Tergat · 02-04-2012 07:30PM

wonderfullife wrote: »

Don't think you read it right.....by saying i cant see liverpool being a force as a city for a decade, its meant to be read as in "within a decade, if ever" .....i cant personally see liverpool being the force they once were in the next 20 years.

i didnt want to go back that far but London dominated 1930s, Manchester 1950s/1960s liverpool 70s/80s, manchester 90s onwards, London 2000 onwards.

It tends to be cyclical.

Looking so far ahead is pretty ****ing stupid really. See Man City situation

Phoenix Park · 02-04-2012 07:32PM

Leftist wrote: »

if by us you mean liverpool supporters then I am not surprised.

As Perch has twittered:
To all Liverpool fans giving me stick, what did Carroll do at the other end #AlwaysTheVictimsItsNeverYourFault

Did Perch really tweet that? I'm surprised, there are a lot of people associated with Liverpool who take that phrase very seriously.

Professional Griefer · 02-04-2012 07:34PM

firemansam4 wrote: »

Yes this is a discussion board and within the rules you can say what you want, but my point is if use hate Liverpool so much why do use have such interest in us?? to some of use its almost an obsession!

Well in this thread its cause the sacking of a manager of a top club is being discussed, it would be the same if it was Fergie, other fans would come in to say what they want. Its a interesting topic, and one which everyone will have a opinion on, if not just to get a rise out of Liverpool fans.

Other fans go into ye're superthread as well to post about the club, but in a decent manner.

firemansam4 · 02-04-2012 07:45PM

Ix Deadmau5 wrote: »

Well in this thread its cause the sacking of a manager of a top club is being discussed, it would be the same if it was Fergie, other fans would come in to say what they want. Its a interesting topic, and one which everyone will have a opinion on, if not just to get a rise out of Liverpool fans.

Other fans go into ye're superthread as well to post about the club, but in a decent manner.

Strange ive never once bothered going into uniteds super thread :pac:

Jesus Wept · 02-04-2012 07:50PM

happyman81 wrote: »

Some quotes from Liverpool fans I have encountered over the years:

"Cisse is every bit as good as Henry (at his peak), only faster"

"Danny Murphy on his day is as good as Luis Figo"

"We deserved to win" (following a 3-0 loss to Chelsea)

and the classic...

"We will win the league next season"

Gotta love em.

Quotes from unknown unnamed unsubstantiated sources that you have met down the years that no one gives a bollox about, that's what we are down to at this stage?

You should be deeply embarrassed of your posts here. Even someone on the wind up should aspire to much much higher standard.

amiable · 02-04-2012 07:50PM

Phoenix Park wrote: »

Did Perch really tweet that? I'm surprised, there are a lot of people associated with Liverpool who take that phrase very seriously.

It's a fake account

Helix · 02-04-2012 08:22PM

firemansam4 wrote: »

A few posters on here talking about Liverpool not being a big club... use can say we haven't been a top club for a few years fair enough, but forget about all your stats of where Liverpool have finished the last few years and what cups have been won, the plain simple fact is that what defines a club as big would be far more the size of its fan base rather than how well they have done over the last few years.

Some fans also here talk about there hate towards Liverpool and its fans yet seem to always take a keen interest in posts about liverpool, Kinda mind bogling to me :rolleyes:

nobody on the planet cares about whether a club is "a big club" apart from that club's supporters

it's all about being a top club, as i said a few pages back. that's all that matters in the here and now. everything else is living on past glories that are ultimately irrelevant

Morricone · 02-04-2012 08:32PM

Leftist wrote: »

if by us you mean liverpool supporters then I am not surprised.

As Perch has twittered:
To all Liverpool fans giving me stick, what did Carroll do at the other end #AlwaysTheVictimsItsNeverYourFault

If the always the victims quote was a subtle reference to Hillsborough then he ought to be utterly ashamed of himself and sent away for a long while.

Helix · 02-04-2012 08:33PM

Morricone wrote: »

If the always the victims quote was a subtle reference to Hillsborough then he ought to be utterly ashamed of himself and sent away for a long while.

it's not a subtle reference to hillaborough, it's a blatant reference to liverpool's continual blaming of everyone else for everything

Mr Alan · 02-04-2012 08:34PM

Helix.

The expert on Liverpool fans.

Helix · 02-04-2012 08:35PM

Mr Alan wrote: »

Helix.

The expert on Liverpool fans.

^

see, now it's my fault

Mr Alan · 02-04-2012 08:37PM

Do you have the ability to read tubs?

Where did I say anything was your fault?

I just pointed out you've very strong opinions on all things Liverpool, it's something of a specialist subject of yours it seems.

Helix · 02-04-2012 08:40PM

Mr Alan wrote: »

Do you have the ability to read tubs?

Where did I say anything was your fault?

I just pointed out you've very strong opinions on all things Liverpool, it's something of a specialist subject.

i read very well, and you're about 3 years too late with the tubs bit

actually, that's the last time liverpool were relevant too isnt it

strong opinions indeed, next year is your year alan. keep the faith!

Morricone · 02-04-2012 08:43PM

Helix wrote: »

it's not a subtle reference to hillaborough, it's a blatant reference to liverpool's continual blaming of everyone else for everything

That exact reference has very strong links to Hillsborough. And when did Liverpool fans continually blame everyone else for everything?

Maybe they should adopt a scapegoat figure in a similar manner to the way in which you've decided that Martin O'Neill is the Devil incarnate himself.

Mr Alan · 02-04-2012 08:45PM

Helix wrote: »

actually, that's the last time liverpool were relevant too isnt it

Are you, an Aston Villa fan, giving Liverpool FC stick about being 'irrelevant'? Really?

You understand that if Villa were to emulate the season Liverpool are having (a horror season for us), itd be considered an excellent season for yous?

Helix wrote:

strong opinions indeed, next year is your year alan. keep the faith!

I don't believe next year is going our year, I don't believe any Liverpool fans do, that's something people like yourself who are genuinely obsessed with us have invented in an effort to justify just how pathetic your views on the club & it's fans are.

DDC1990 · 02-04-2012 08:50PM

happyman81 wrote: »

Hmm. I'm the one playing cards here. Right...

Best to assume that Perch is a callous sociopath. It makes sense. After all, he got Reina sent off. Right? Right?

As has already been said, the account was a fake one so im not calling Perch anything.

Reina got himself sent off for moving he head in the direction of another player, Perch's reaction just drew the Refs attention, no complaints here.

What im saying is, be careful when using statements like that, due to the touchy nature of the subject. If you said anything like that in Liverpool where the majority of people know what the statement stands for, then ignorance wouldn't be much of an excuse.

EdenHazard · 02-04-2012 08:57PM

kenny as premiership football manager, great to see, he is an inspiration to all simpletons and chimps everywhere who thought their brain capacity would prevent them managing the premier league

oh god im funnnny

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Yes Kenny Dalglish and Liverpool are done. MOD POST #425 ALL READ