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Yes Kenny Dalglish and Liverpool are done. MOD POST #425 *ALL READ*

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  • #122
    Mr.Crinklewood
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,735 ✭✭✭✭Mr.Crinklewood


    The-Rigger wrote: »
    So you're with Hodgson then?

    I would not go out with either.


  • #123
    plasmaguy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,683 ✭✭✭plasmaguy


    It's pretty pointless comparing Dalglish and Hodgson.

    Both were sh*te managers for pool in the league recently, no point even arguing who was better or who should have been kept on.

    Understandably pool fans are eager for a return on the investments Dalglish made in transfers. I'd be one for giving him more time, but I suppose the writing seems to be on the wall now.

    He probably needs to move upstairs and let a younger man in.

    I still think someone like Rodgers could be worth a shot. MON is only slightly younger than Dalglish, and not sure even he is destined to be ever more than a mid table manager, a bit like Hodgson.


  • #124
    Jesus Wept
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,243 ✭✭✭✭Jesus Wept


    Mr.Crinklewood wrote: »
    I would not go out with either.

    Interesting how Liverpool shouldn't have sacked Hodgson but other people don't want him to manage their clubs.


  • #125
    Jesus Wept
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,243 ✭✭✭✭Jesus Wept


    He needs to move out, not upstairs. It's not a retirement village.


  • #126
    ush
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,399 ✭✭✭ush


    Helix wrote: »
    if you'd had a manager who had spent all that money properly, then you might have had an outside shot, but with the players liverpool have at the moment, i dont think you wouldve had a chance, focus or not

    Sorry, don't agree. In a year where Chelsea, Arsenal and Spurs have wobbled at times, plus been involved in European competition, Liverpool could have capitalised. I think they can cobble together a decent enough 1st 11. A good manager would have them challenging for fourth, instead of f•cking with their heads and giving them the impression that they're only enough for the Carling Cup. They kind of players we should be looking to attract will hardly know that England has a second cup competition, let alone be impressed by it.


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  • #127
    Will I Amnt
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,222 ✭✭✭✭Will I Amnt


    plasmaguy wrote: »
    It's pretty pointless comparing Dalglish and Hodgson.

    Both were sh*te managers for pool in the league recently, no point even arguing who was better or who should have been kept on.
    This from the guy who said what Dalglish has done with Liverpool since taking over was nothing short of a miracle.

    Truly amazing stuff.


  • #128
    Morricone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 274 ✭✭Morricone


    The-Rigger wrote: »
    He needs to move out, not upstairs. It's not a retirement village.

    No reason why he can't assume a Bobby Charlton like role within the hierarchy of the club. He holds massive sway around the city of Liverpool and would excel in youth development, convincing young players to come, etc.


  • #129
    Shane St.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,797 ✭✭✭Shane St.


    Kinda hoping they win the FA cup just so he can take them further backwards next season


  • #130
    ush
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,399 ✭✭✭ush


    Morricone wrote: »
    No reason why he can't assume a Bobby Charlton like role within the hierarchy of the club. He holds massive sway around the city of Liverpool and would excel in youth development, convincing young players to come, etc.

    He's risking turning into a Stan-like figure. This will get worse before it gets better and whats left of his authority then?


  • #131
    OldmanMondeo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,008 ✭✭✭OldmanMondeo


    token56 wrote: »
    But they have at least one player who should be scoring, Suarez. When you consider his goal to game ratio for Ajax before he went to liverpool it was excellent. But its dropped significantly, from about 3 goals every 4 games to 1 every 3 games approximately. Whatever system they are playing should be suited to him as he is an excellent player despite how much I dislike him as a person.

    Apart from Suarez though they lack strength in depth for goal scorers certainly. Carroll just is not performing and there is no other obvious player who you would see as a consistent goal threat. Whoever is in charge during the summer certainly needs to address that area for them.

    Totally agree, we played some good stuff early today, but no one in the right place to put them away. Stick Bellamy and Kuyt up front with Suarez playing off them, bet you will see a few goals then.


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  • #132
    eagle eye
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,842 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    ush wrote: »
    He's risking turning into a Stan-like figure. This will get worse before it gets better and whats left of his authority then?
    Stan who?


  • #133
    Morricone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 274 ✭✭Morricone


    Shane St. wrote: »
    Kinda hoping they win the FA cup just so he can take them further backwards next season

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  • #134
    monkey9
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,337 ✭✭✭✭monkey9


    So we've had the net spend mention, the Roy Hodgson sympathy, the Ian Hollywayism, the delusion jibe, some charts and graphs and a claim that they want the manager to stay, he's so bad. Business as usual!


  • #135
    ush
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,399 ✭✭✭ush


    eagle eye wrote: »
    Stan who?

    The Gaffer.


  • #136
    argosy2006
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,210 ✭✭✭argosy2006


    Liverpool is cursed. We can thrash teams on the field and lose,
    I'd give kenny more time, Injuries to Gerrard, Lucas,Agger, Johnson and Suarez missing 8 games, has not helped
    We need to off load
    SPEARING sell 3 m
    KUYT sell 2 m
    SHELVY sell 7 m
    CARROLL sell 15 m
    CARRA sell 2 m
    ADAM sell 5 m

    The crap remaining in the squad, And only one cost a lot of money,
    Sell those 5 bring in some youth to replace and 2 quality players,
    Sell those bring our net spend into the green and try again,
    this time quality over seas players, cheaper, more to choose from,


  • #137
    Paul Tergat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,801 ✭✭✭✭Paul Tergat


    argosy2006 wrote: »
    Liverpool is cursed. We can thrash teams on the field and lose,

    Wtf does this mean?

    Im not sure but I think it was you (apols if not) who was talking about beating teams on paper and you'd be top of the table based on this or something. What is the point you are making?


  • #138
    Hannibal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,819 ✭✭✭Hannibal


    skregs wrote: »
    They should bring back Rafa and give him enough money to buy better players than Cisse, John Arne and Traore.
    Rafa didn't buy any of them players, your post doesn't make sense.


  • #139
    argosy2006
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,210 ✭✭✭argosy2006


    Paul Tergat wrote: »
    Wtf does this mean?

    Im not sure but I think it was you (apols if not) who was talking about beating teams on paper and you'd be top of the table based on this or something. What is the point you are making?
    Point is Arsenal at home, Norwich at home, Man u at home Man city at home
    sunderland at home, Didn't win one,
    Thrashed them!!!!


  • #140
    Turtyturd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,404 ✭✭✭✭Turtyturd


    Paul Tergat wrote: »
    Wtf does this mean?

    Im not sure but I think it was you (apols if not) who was talking about beating teams on paper and you'd be top of the table based on this or something. What is the point you are making?

    I think that's the counter argument to the clowns who argue 'if the league had started last week Liverpool would be bottom of the league'.


  • #141
    Paul Tergat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,801 ✭✭✭✭Paul Tergat


    argosy2006 wrote: »
    Point is Arsenal at home, Norwich at home, Man u at home Man city at home
    sunderland at home, Didn't win one,
    Thrashed them!!!!

    You didnt win any of them and 'thrashed them' :confused:


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  • #142
    Paul Tergat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,801 ✭✭✭✭Paul Tergat


    Turtyturd wrote: »
    I think that's the counter argument to the clowns who argue 'if the league had started last week Liverpool would be bottom of the league'.

    People posting those tables and stuff are on the wind-up, having a little dig etc.

    I assume the point made is that he reckons you have been the better team in some matches but just not taken the chances?


  • #143
    amacachi
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,315 ✭✭✭✭amacachi


    argosy2006 wrote: »
    Liverpool is cursed. We can thrash teams on the field and lose,
    I'd give kenny more time, Injuries to Gerrard, Lucas,Agger, Johnson and Suarez missing 8 games, has not helped
    We need to off load
    SPEARING sell 3 m
    KUYT sell 2 m
    SHELVY sell 7 m
    CARROLL sell 15 m
    CARRA sell 2 m
    ADAM sell 5 m

    The crap remaining in the squad, And only one cost a lot of money,
    Sell those 5 bring in some youth to replace and 2 quality players,
    Sell those bring our net spend into the green and try again,
    this time quality over seas players, cheaper, more to choose from,
    Do you think anyone would pay 15 million for Carroll?


  • #144
    argosy2006
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,210 ✭✭✭argosy2006


    Paul Tergat wrote: »
    You didnt win any of them and 'thrashed them' :confused:

    Yea endless chances, Missed penalties, Hitting post, Goal keepers becoming superman while at anfield,
    What can Kenny do, CAN'T put ball in net for us,
    Finishing is not Kennys fault, Even today, while we were dominating,
    Carroll decides to dive instead of put us 0-1 up,


  • #145
    argosy2006
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,210 ✭✭✭argosy2006


    amacachi wrote: »
    Do you think anyone would pay 15 million for Carroll?

    Spurs
    Newcastle
    MAYBE,
    He could go on loan, Doesn't suit liverpools style,
    but could suit Everton ?


  • #146
    eh i dunno
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,115 ✭✭✭✭eh i dunno


    argosy2006 wrote: »
    Spurs
    Newcastle
    MAYBE,
    He could go on loan, Doesn't suit liverpools style,
    but could suit Everton ?

    We have Jelavic. 10 times the player. 1/7th the price


  • #147
    Hannibal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,819 ✭✭✭Hannibal


    argosy2006 wrote: »
    Liverpool is cursed. We can thrash teams on the field and lose,
    I'd give kenny more time, Injuries to Gerrard, Lucas,Agger, Johnson and Suarez missing 8 games, has not helped
    We need to off load
    SPEARING sell 3 m
    KUYT sell 2 m
    SHELVY sell 7 m
    CARROLL sell 15 m
    CARRA sell 2 m
    ADAM sell 5 m

    The crap remaining in the squad, And only one cost a lot of money,
    Sell those 5 bring in some youth to replace and 2 quality players,
    Sell those bring our net spend into the green and try again,
    this time quality over seas players, cheaper, more to choose from,
    Why sell Carragher? his experience is invaluable, didn't see him do much wrong today at least he gave it his all.

    Nobody would pay 3m for Spearing.

    Shelvey has a lot of potential, at this stage you wouldn't get more than 4 or 5m for him yet. He would be worth keeping to see how he develops, he's only gone 20 and has put in a hat trick at Championship level from midfield this season and on low wages so no point in getting rid of him.

    Carroll is only gone 23, it's unfair to make him a scapegoat at this stage because of his pricetag. Look at him against Everton a few weeks ago or early on today before he dived.. that's a glimpse of his potential if used properly and he will get better when given support and not constantly dropped for no reason. He is clearly frustrated with Dalglish but the money is spent so I wouldn't sell him for a massive loss. Look at Llorente or Toshack for example to see how this style of player gets better with age and experience.

    Our main problem is in the last 3 years losing Alonso, Mascherano, Aquilani and Meireles from CM and replacing them with Adam, Henderson, Spearing, Poulsen, etc... It's like putting the engine of a road car in an F1 car and expecting Schumacher or Alonso to win in it, our midfield is substandard and Gerrard is not a CM and never will be Benitez showed this for 6 years if you want the best from him play him further forward and he'll net you 20 goals.


  • #148
    Will I Amnt
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,222 ✭✭✭✭Will I Amnt


    Get in.
    Next years Champions League in the bag. :)
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  • #149
    Phoenix Park
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    amacachi wrote: »
    Do you think anyone would pay 15 million for Carroll?

    Or any one of the other transfer fees suggested :eek:

    Spearing: 1.5m
    Kuyt: 1m
    Carra: no chance, on too much money
    Shelvey: 4m
    Adam: 3.5/4m


  • #150
    user2011
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,071 ✭✭✭user2011


    argosy2006 wrote: »
    Spurs
    Newcastle
    MAYBE,
    He could go on loan, Doesn't suit liverpools style,
    but could suit Everton ?

    Newcastle have Cisse and Ba Ameobi. Spurs wouldn't suit their style and Everton have Jelavic.


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  • #151
    Paully D
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,710 ✭✭✭✭Paully D


    argosy2006 wrote: »
    Spurs
    Newcastle
    MAYBE,
    He could go on loan, Doesn't suit liverpools style,
    but could suit Everton ?

    Amazing that Dalglish didn't think of that before breaking a then British transfer record to sign him, isn't it?

    Liverpool don't even use a game plan that suits his style of play.


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