A very very sad story

booboo88 · 29-03-2012 12:31AM

fonecrusher1 wrote: »

Nice easy-going topic at midnight. :rolleyes:

Might want to warn people that the article linked contains some very disturbing images.

Sadly these images are a reality for alot of people

Lash_Alert · 29-03-2012 12:33AM

booboo88 wrote: »

Sadly these images are a reality for alot of people

That doesnt change the fact that the majority of people will find them disturbing?

RainbowRose81 · 29-03-2012 12:34AM

Gran Hermano wrote: »

Indeed, most people have realized what a farce the church is.

Well would you rather Ireland had Islamic roots rather than Christian ones? It's worrying to think where we would be if we were not a christian country from the begining.

LH Pathe · 29-03-2012 12:36AM

She actually looks like leatherface, no point reaching for the moisturizer after being left with that. left with the dispairing face of shock/ pain/ realization when it hit her face.. it's horrible alright, that's two examples I've seen today of how the phrase beauty is only skin deep can ring true. Certainly aesthetic anyhow

44leto · 29-03-2012 12:38AM

Honour killing or honour revenge, it's their culture. But culture is not an excuse for any type of abuse on any person male or female, but the victims can be male but are usually female.

100 million women living now have suffered female genital mutilation, that is barbarism and not culture and tradition is no excuse either.

Charles Napier The british army commander in chief of Africa and India when facing complaints about the abolition of sutee (the burning to death of a widow after the death of the husband) replied " You say it is your custom to burn widows, very well. We also have a custom, when men burn a women alive, we tie a rope around their necks and we hang them. Build your funeral pyre; beside it my carpenters will build a gallows. You follow your custom and we will follow ours".

The practice of sutee stopped.

ihsb · 29-03-2012 12:38AM

Poor girl. It is an awful story. And acid attacks have happened as close to home as in the UK. Even though nothing like this has happened here, I still do not agree that we live somewhere that men and women are equal.

grindle · 29-03-2012 12:38AM

RainbowRose81 wrote: »

Well would you rather Ireland had Islamic roots rather than Christian ones? It's worrying to think where we would be if we were not a christian country from the begining.

No, it'd be worrying to think where we'd be if the Enlightenment hadn't happened.

booboo88 · 29-03-2012 12:39AM

Lash_Alert wrote: »

That doesnt change the fact that the majority of people will find them disturbing?

She was hardly talking about rose gardens in her post

starbelgrade · 29-03-2012 12:40AM

RainbowRose81 wrote: »

Well would you rather Ireland had Islamic roots rather than Christian ones? It's worrying to think where we would be if we were not a christian country from the begining.

Considering the history of Ireland & it's various relationships with religions, I think we'd have been better off if we'd stayed as pagan.

patrickbrophy18 · 29-03-2012 12:41AM

Gran Hermano wrote: »

Not many years ago an affair could lead to a life locked away in a laundry run by the church.

It's extremely embarrassing that our country was once like that and thankfully there have been changes. I would even go so far as to mask this part of our heritage as it gives us a bad name. No country in the world should treat women like second class citizens because it is animalistic and incredibly degrading. It also makes women vulnerable to attacks like the very disturbing one seen in the daily mail article. Yet, this savage inhuman behavior still prevails in other cultures. And all over an anatomical difference. So unbelievably childish!

RainbowRose81 · 29-03-2012 12:41AM

Lash_Alert wrote: »

That doesnt change the fact that the majority of people will find them disturbing?

Well they are disturbing you only have to look at the news these days it's hard to avoid it.

RainbowRose81 · 29-03-2012 12:48AM

patrickbrophy18 wrote: »

It's extremely embarrassing that our country was once like that and thankfully there have been changes. I would even go so far as to mask this part of our heritage as it gives us a bad name. No country in the world should treat women like second class citizens because it is animalistic and incredibly degrading. It also makes women vulnerable to attacks like the very disturbing one seen in the daily mail article. Yet, this savage inhuman behavior still prevails in other cultures. And all over an anatomical difference. So unbelievably childish!

Well in these country their moral compass isnt' turned on. It's not exactly about religion. it's about what is right and wrong, that people are human beings and should be treated like that...that is basic humanity.

EGAR · 29-03-2012 12:51AM

Katie Piper in the UK is another acid victim, the difference it though her attacker will serve a minimum of 16 years in jail.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katie_Piper

RichieC · 29-03-2012 12:54AM

Alan Turing. Yea.

The rest of the world hasn't reach our gloriously high standards yet... I imagine the Alien daily mail made that much ****ing clear back in the day.

Moral outrage!

mcmoustache · 29-03-2012 01:05AM

RainbowRose81 wrote: »

Well would you rather Ireland had Islamic roots rather than Christian ones? It's worrying to think where we would be if we were not a christian country from the begining.

This dichotomy seems kinda false. The religion run by men who dress in gowns, kiss each others' fingers and fear women (Catholicism to everyone else) has never had female interests at heart. They only put up with you because of "aggressive" secularism. Otherwise you'd be in the kitchen making me a sandwich. And the opposite of Islam isn't Christianity. I'm pissed but I think there's something good in what I wrote there, whatever it was.

up for anything · 29-03-2012 01:07AM

RainbowRose81 wrote: »

Well would you rather Ireland had Islamic roots rather than Christian ones? It's worrying to think where we would be if we were not a christian country from the begining.

What a senseless, pointless, nonsensical comment! Stop embarrassing yourself. :rolleyes:

mcmoustache · 29-03-2012 01:15AM

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Jimoslimos · 29-03-2012 08:44AM

RainbowRose81 wrote: »

Well compare arab country that's ruled by sharia law to a democratic country?

Or perhaps a brutal dictatorship to a modern democracy. Those new-found equal rights and opportunities you hold dear didn't emerge because of Christianity, in fact looking closer you could probably say there has been a strong correlation between the reduction of religious influence in the West and the improvement of women's rights. Just saying.

Cavehill Red wrote: »

Yes, it was founded on a Christian ethos, the same ethos Irish monks exported all over Europe in the Dark Ages to preserve civilisation following the fall of Rome, the same ethos that led to the Renaissance.

You don't think other cultures had similar golden ages of science, arts and learning?

SteppingStone · 29-03-2012 08:53AM

Poor woman :-(

Cavehill Red · 29-03-2012 09:08AM

Jimoslimos wrote: »

You don't think other cultures had similar golden ages of science, arts and learning?

Straw man. The golden age of Arab science and progression occurred centuries ago, and actually spanned the coming of Islam. It'd be perfectly fair to suggest that their golden age occurred primarily due to the Caliphs of Baghdad and happened despite Islam.

The OP's phrasing has apparently sent a lot of people off down the wrong path, huffing and puffing in their 'offended on behalf of others' multicultural fashion. But the bottom line is that the feral scumbaggery of scarring a woman for life with acid round the face is part of mainstream Islamic culture, and is an abhorrent one.

When Islam has their renaissance, their enlightenment, their progression towards tolerance of others and equality for women, then we might see something different. But I for one am not going to entertain the sort of cultural relativism that suggests the primitive barbarity happening widespread within Islam today is in any way on a par with my culture, where such things are, if they exist at all, shocking aberrations rather than the norm.

iregk · 29-03-2012 09:16AM

RainbowRose81 wrote: »

It's worrying to think where we would be if we were not a christian country from the begining.

I do agree with you. We've realised what a horrible country this was when ruled by the very people promoting Christianity and are looking to move on from it. Living in an every increasing atheist country, things are finally starting to look up for us. Think if we were not a christian country from the start, we may only be looking into now and setting up some nice places to clean peoples clothes and registering every child as an alter boy...

tdv123 · 29-03-2012 09:18AM

Lash_Alert wrote: »

Stopped reading there.

ditto

AudreyHepburn · 29-03-2012 09:19AM

Folks is it no longer possible in this country to have a discussion without it descending into petty church and politician bashing?

Can we not just focus on the topic at hand. The Church is completely irrelevant to what that poor woman went through.

I think we might be better discussing why the monster who attacked her, and as far as I'm concerned push off that building, is walking free.

RIP

Cantona's Collars · 29-03-2012 09:21AM

It seems a lot of posters have just targeted the op's phrase of Christian Country in order to seem 'cool' and have forgotten it's just a phrase.

They have ignored the core story which is an act of barbarism by a man who got away with it.Too many of these acts take place due to some kind of twisted logic,the same with Honour Killings,I mean-who in their right mind would kill their daughter for a percieved slight on their family?

The disfigurement & death of a woman has been ignored here for thanks whoring and religion bashing.

biko · 29-03-2012 09:25AM

That's one ****ed up place.

More than 8,500 acid attacks, forced marriages and other forms of violence against women were reported in Pakistan in 2011, according to The Aurat Foundation, a women's rights organization.

Wiki

These attacks are most common in Cambodia,[8] Afghanistan,[9] India,[10] Bangladesh,[5][6] Pakistan[5] and other nearby countries.[7] According to Taru Bahl and M.H. Syed, 80% of victims of these acid attacks are female and almost 70% are under 18 years of age.[7]

According to New York Times reporter Nicholas D. Kristof, acid attacks are at an all time high in Pakistan and increasing every year. The Pakistani attacks he describes are typically the work of husbands against their wives who have "dishonored them".

http://video.nytimes.com/video/2008/11/29/opinion/1194834033797/acid-attack.html

--Kaiser-- · 29-03-2012 09:33AM

Pakistan is a disgrace of a country

Duggy747 · 29-03-2012 09:36AM

Typical bullshìt in terms of "honour" where women are defiled. Even without acid, angry men will try to disfigure women's faces by means of cutting their ears / nose off.

This is a good read on women who were affected by acid attacks.

Guy:Incognito · 29-03-2012 09:47AM

"The Pakistani government introduced new laws last year criminalising acid attacks"

Wha?

RustyNut · 29-03-2012 09:51AM

RainbowRose81 wrote: »

Well would you rather Ireland had Islamic roots rather than Christian ones? It's worrying to think where we would be if we were not a christian country from the begining.

O that's right the Irish Christians are great lads. Sure I remember the good Christians pointing out the error of their ways to the bad Christians going to the holy cross school, or the Christian leaders making sure that rape and incest victims had to honour the Christian god by carring the outcome to full term or enslaving young girls who offended god by following human instinct and ending up pregnant, educating young boys into the ways of the world through buggary and rape. Catholics killing Protestants, protestants killing Catholics. Yea great bunch the Christians.

Jimoslimos · 29-03-2012 09:53AM

Cavehill Red wrote: »

Straw man. The golden age of Arab science and progression occurred centuries ago, and actually spanned the coming of Islam. It'd be perfectly fair to suggest that their golden age occurred primarily due to the Caliphs of Baghdad and happened despite Islam.

Strawman? Where did I attribute science and progression to any religion? Enlightenment happened in China and the Arab regions despite religion, as it did in the Western world.

biko wrote: »

Wiki

These attacks are most common in Cambodia,[8] Afghanistan,[9] India,[10] Bangladesh,[5][6] Pakistan[5] and other nearby countries.[7]

http://video.nytimes.com/video/2008/11/29/opinion/1194834033797/acid-attack.html

Interesting Cambodia is mentioned, it is not a Muslim country (most are Buddhist), but it is extremely poor and has suffered a tragic civil war recently. I know - I was there, It's shocking.:(

zerks wrote: »

It seems a lot of posters have just targeted the op's phrase of Christian Country in order to seem 'cool' and have forgotten it's just a phrase.

Considering the OP started with the terms 'blessed' and 'Christian country', instead of 'lucky' and 'modern democracy', I'd say there was a not too subtle dig at Islam.

I'm far from a Islam apologist, just people in glass houses shouldn't be too quick to throw stones. We are all fortunate not to be living in a Christian country 100 years ago and I hope in 100 years from now, people in Muslim countries are saying similar.

A very very sad story

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