luis suarez over praised, theo walcott slated

Ganymede Glow · 24-03-2012 10:01PM

cambo2008 wrote: »

The greatest player ever is only opinion.
Where is it written in stone that any one player is the greatest to have played the game??????
I'm definitely finished with this thread now,it's just getting worse.

bye now

Fuhrer · 24-03-2012 10:06PM

Ganymede Glow wrote: »

bye now

Oh, thank god.

Red Crow · 24-03-2012 10:08PM

Ganymede Glow wrote: »

Dempsey wrote: »

Different types of players but Walcott is very much reliant on his pace for anything he tries to do. I dont think he's learned as much as Wenger would have liked in his time at Arsenal. I'd go as far as to say that he hasnt learned much at all. He's just physically and mentally more mature because he's older but still has very limited intelligence about the game. His game is about attrition and when he loses his pace, he wont adapt a la Giggs, imo. Chamberlain is a much smarter player and as he matures, he'll be the player Wenger hoped Walcott would be. Harsh but true.

Suarez is a player with everything in his locker except clinical finishing. He can do all the hard work, draw 2-3 players out of position, link up midfield to attack etc, at will but he needs a player on hand that will exploit this work. Carroll is not that type of player, Bellamy likes to run at defences too. If Liverpool got Huntelaar, it would be very interesting to see.

I reckon Huntelaar would be available for around €12-14m. Think they'd do damage back together again

Yeah because Schalke would accept such a rubbish bid and Huntelaar wants to not play in the CL.

MD1990 · 24-03-2012 10:08PM

cambo2008 wrote: »

The greatest player ever is only opinion.
Where is it written in stone that any one player is the greatest to have played the game??????
I'm definitely finished with this thread now,it's just getting worse.

yeah its only your opinion
so stop acting so arrogant like everything u say is a fact

eagle eye · 24-03-2012 10:11PM

cambo2008 wrote: »

If he continues the way he's going he will be considered the greatest regardless.
Only an idiot will think otherwise.
For me he's already the best there has ever been.

If you can't seperate an individual talent from a team well then you shouldn't even have an opinion on the matter.

Yeah thats why people say that when he does it with a different team away from the all-star Barcelona side he is currently in that they will rate him best of all time. Fact is he has underperformed for his country which is the only other team we see him playing with.

Radharc na Sleibhte · 24-03-2012 10:21PM

Why would Huntelaar go to Liverpool?

How can you compare suarez and walcott?
Theyre two different types of player playing in two different positions in two different teams. Its like comparing Rooney with Gerrard.

Walcott a good winger. Annoyingly one dimensional.
Suarez a good striker. Annoyingly slimey.

If I was manager of Arsenal, I wouldnt have either in my starting eleven.

Dempsey · 24-03-2012 10:25PM

Radharc na Sleibhte wrote: »

Why would Huntelaar go to Liverpool

Never said he would, just that he's the type of player that would be suited to playing with Suarez.

24-03-2012 11:11PM

I like Walcott, I think his positional play is very good compared to what it used to be and his pace is a huge weapon. Ultimately it's not going to come off everytime down the field and he does score and assist an above average amount of times and gets a bit of unfair flak his way.

Suarez I've always thought was a top player but he has been incredibly disappointing this season. Class is permanent however and I still judge him to be a top player, just not as good a finisher as I thought.

SirDelboy18 · 24-03-2012 11:12PM

Suarez is definetly over-praised. He was effective in Holland but that is no great feat ( Kezman, Afonso Alves etc ). If we take the odd international tournament as a barometer then that doesn't really hold up at all. For the simple reason that the likes of Milan Baros (Euro 2004), El Hadji Diouf (World Cup 2002) have performed well at international tournaments. And lets be honest Suarez wasn't that great at the World Cup, there were many better players including his teammate Forlan.

He doesn't score enough, he doesn't set up enough, he is nothing special.

G.K. · 24-03-2012 11:20PM

If you watch Suarez, you'd see he's much more intelligent than many of his Liverpool teammates - they don't understand what he does - exemplified by Adam not grasping his quick short 1-2.

I don't think Suarez is world class, but at the high end of the '2nd tier' as it were. He's never been the most prolific forward, that Dutch season aside, but he'd have had so many more assists to his name if he was partnered by Bellamy instead of Carroll, with Maxi and Gerrard beside him instead of Downing and Kuyt and Henderson behind him instead of Adam.

amacachi · 25-03-2012 01:41AM

G.K. wrote: »

If you watch Suarez, you'd see he's much more intelligent than many of his Liverpool teammates - they don't understand what he does - exemplified by Adam not grasping his quick short 1-2.

Then he panics. It's an over-simplification obviously but Suarez has one thing in common with Walcott; if he has time to think he'll **** up. If he isn't rolling off someone or tripping them up with the ball he doesn't have a huge amount else.
If people want to compare them on goals then fair enough. Unfortunately most people praise Suarez for his assists and he has less than the "brainless" Walcott.

cathalio11 · 25-03-2012 11:19AM

Luis excels in the Liverpool team? Well done.

Yakubu excels at Blackburn.
Holt excels at Norwich.

That must mean they would both be God at Liverpool...

Come to think of it, every Liverpool player who can pass a ball are God...

eagle eye · 25-03-2012 11:33AM

cathalio11 wrote: »

Luis excels in the Liverpool team? Well done.

Yakubu excels at Blackburn.
Holt excels at Norwich.

That must mean they would both be God at Liverpool...

Come to think of it, every Liverpool player who can pass a ball are God...

Suarez is a far better footballer than either of the two you mention there and I'm a Blackburn fan.

The problem at Liverpool fc at the minute I think is that you have too many players who don't fit together. You have to build around Suarez or Carroll imo, you just can't play the game to suit them both.

As for Walcott, his biggest problem is injury and that has held him back all through his time at Arsenal. I think his game is far too dependent on his pace though.

cathalio11 · 25-03-2012 11:43AM

eagle eye wrote: »

Suarez is a far better footballer than either of the two you mention there and I'm a Blackburn fan.

I didn't even suggest that Yakubu or Holt is better than him.

I was suggesting that this theory of Suarez playing for a weaker team makes him better than most is stupid. That theory is wrong because if it was true, it must mean Yakubu is better.

But as you confirmed, Yakubu isn't better than Suarez (pretty obvious; let's be honest) so you have basically seconded what I said.

luis suarez over praised, theo walcott slated

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