Bertie Ahern statement/resignation

Sir Oxman · 25-03-2012 12:02AM

Doc Ruby wrote: »

Both himself and the drunk Cowen are costing you the taxpayer over €150,000 a year in pensions:

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2011/1110/1224307311467.html

I'm not sure whether he's still drawing a salary or expenses for any other government positions as well, almost certainly. His garda escort isn't free.

EACH. For life.

What a country. What a joke.

jased10s · 25-03-2012 12:04AM

Doc Ruby wrote: »

Both himself and the drunk Cowen are costing you the taxpayer over €150,000 a year in pensions:

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2011/1110/1224307311467.html

I'm not sure whether he's still drawing a salary or expenses for any other government positions as well, almost certainly. His garda escort isn't free.

Some how i think his garda escort may want a pay rise with all the people that want to kill him.

Also i cant beleive it took 15 years to find out.

Also how many solicitors got minted off this so called inquiry ?

ilovesleep · 25-03-2012 12:05AM

kryogen wrote: »

Ah see now your just making stuff up, no politician would ever advocate people killing themselves, poor show.

Can someone please provide a youtube clip of Bertie recommending suicide for this person please. I do not know how to link a youtube video.

The King of Moo · 25-03-2012 12:05AM

kryogen wrote: »

So you are advocating murdering him?

Great, you must be a sound lad altogether eh

kryogen wrote: »

Ah see now your just making stuff up, no politician would ever advocate people killing themselves, poor show.

Originally posted by Bertie Ahern
Sitting on the sidelines, cribbing and moaning is a lost opportunity. I don't know how people who engage in that don't commit suicide because frankly the only thing that motivates me is being able to actively change something.

Well you know, strictly, he didn't actually say they should kill themselves, so yeah, Bertie is a nice chap.
Great, Bertie-esque logic there

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ilovesleep · 25-03-2012 12:07AM

gambiaman wrote: »

EACH. For life.

What a country. What a joke.

And early pensions too. Most of the FF pension receivers aren't all that old. While they upped the retirement age for us to 68.

kryogen · 25-03-2012 12:08AM

ilovesleep wrote: »

His should take his own advice of suicide.

Which advice?

He made an off the cuff remark regarding people who are constant doomsday sayers, he also apologized, he did not tell them to commit suicide did he? he did not advocate it or say it was the right thing to do.

He questioned how people who see the world so negatively go on living, stupid yes, the point he was trying to make is clear however, and there is a slight difference in advocating killing someone and making a brash statement rejecting some analysts ideas.

The analysts in question were correct, the statements they made were widely available publicly, more so due to his stupid remark, why didnt people heed the advice given?

ilovesleep · 25-03-2012 12:09AM

The King of Moo wrote: »

Well you know, strictly, he didn't actually say they should kill themselves, so yeah, Bertie is a nice chap.
Great, Bertie-esque logic there .

I don't know what your definition of suicide is but suicide is to kill oneself.

kryogen · 25-03-2012 12:11AM

The King of Moo wrote: »

Well you know, strictly, he didn't actually say they should kill themselves, so yeah, Bertie is a nice chap.
Great, Bertie-esque logic there .

You dont really need me to respond to you anymore do you?

You seem to have quite a good grasp of logic there, I'm sure you can fill in both sides of the conversation yourself. Enjoy

kryogen · 25-03-2012 12:12AM

ilovesleep wrote: »

Can someone please provide a youtube clip of Bertie recommending suicide for this person please. I do not know how to link a youtube video.

Em, when did I claim Bertie recommended suicide to someone?

Did I not in fact totally refute that claim?

He never told anybody to commit suicide!

Edit- Ah I see you said, anybody, well I can save you some time, you will not be able to find any clip or statement anywhere that has Bertie recommending suicide to someone.

The King of Moo · 25-03-2012 12:12AM

ilovesleep wrote: »

I don't know what your definition of suicide is but suicide is to kill oneself.

Eh... I know.

I'm saying that he didn't strictly say they should kill themselves, just that he doesn't understand how they don't.

It's still a despicable and stupid thing to say, but I think kryogen is arguing that that distinction is important, and that despite the remark and all evidence to the contrary, Bertie is "a nice chap."

DEFTLEFTHAND · 25-03-2012 12:13AM

Oh we're so Pretty oh so Pretty, fill in the gap......

Doc Ruby · 25-03-2012 12:15AM

jased10s wrote: »

Also how many solicitors got minted off this so called inquiry ?

If there were 300 solicitors involved, which I doubt, they made a million apiece. Write the laws then get the taxpayers to pay off the legal profession to ignore the hypocrisy, good man Bertie.

kryogen · 25-03-2012 12:16AM

The King of Moo wrote: »

Eh... I know.

I'm saying that he didn't strictly say they should kill themselves, just that he doesn't understand how they don't.

It's still a despicable and stupid thing to say, but I think kryogen is arguing that that distinction is important, and that despite the remark and all evidence to the contrary, Bertie is "a nice chap."

Didnt I say it was a stupid remark?

What I find funny here in the centre of morality is how I appear to be the only one capable of not holding an extreme view of the situation.

Thought with the great logic on display here that people would be able to debate rationally, to converse without trying to be smart arses and score points to get a few thanks' added to their account?

Ah no wait, this is AH!

Still though, internet is serious business

Doc Ruby · 25-03-2012 12:17AM

kryogen wrote: »

Em, when did I claim Bertie recommended suicide to someone?

Did I not in fact totally refute that claim?

He never told anybody to commit suicide!

Edit- Ah I see you said, anybody, well I can save you some time, you will not be able to find any clip or statement anywhere that has Bertie recommending suicide to someone.

So him apologising for telling people to commit suicide was a figment of our collective imagination was it?

http://www.rte.ie/news/2007/0704/economy.html

I sincerely hope you're just trolling and get banned for it, because there's no hope for you otherwise.

kryogen · 25-03-2012 12:20AM

Doc Ruby wrote: »

If there were 300 solicitors involved, which I doubt, they made a million apiece. Write the laws then get the taxpayers to pay off the legal profession to ignore the hypocrisy, good man Bertie.

Bertie ordered this Tribunal! Jesus Christ! I never knew that! Why did he want them to investigate himself then? Seems an odd choice.

Also, the Tribunal has found plenty of evidence on many others yet Ahern is being singled out though they were unable to actually show that he did take corrupt payments, its all quite hilarious! Should a small bit of anger be directed to the lesser names in the case?

Was the Tribunal not set up to investigate something a little bit more then Bertie Ahern?

The pensions, Reynolds gets his pension, has done for 18 years now hasnt he? roughly 150k a year too? is that not a disgrace? why is that not causing such outrage?

did shady politics begin and end with Ahern?

People in general are very very stupid.

The King of Moo · 25-03-2012 12:21AM

kryogen wrote: »

Didnt I say it was a stupid remark?

What I find funny here in the centre of morality is how I appear to be the only one capable of not holding an extreme view of the situation.

Thought with the great logic on display here that people would be able to debate rationally, to converse without trying to be smart arses and score points to get a few thanks' added to their account?

Ah no wait, this is AH!

Still though, internet is serious business

You said earlier that Bertie is a nice chap. You even thanked him.

I don't think anyone is necessarily being irrational or thanks-seeking to express shock at such statements, given Ahern's weaselly nature and the complete disrespect he's shown for the law, the integrity of the office of Taoiseach, and the people of this country.

Just given his statements in the last few days, I don't see how even his most die-hard supporters would want to praise him.

Doc Ruby · 25-03-2012 12:24AM

kryogen wrote: »

Bertie ordered this Tribunal! Jesus Christ! I never knew that! Why did he want them to investigate himself then? Seems an odd choice.

Also, the Tribunal has found plenty of evidence on many others yet Ahern is being singled out though they were unable to actually show that he did take corrupt payments, its all quite hilarious! Should a small bit of anger be directed to the lesser names in the case?

Was the Tribunal not set up to investigate something a little bit more then Bertie Ahern?

The pensions, Reynolds gets his pension, has done for 18 years now hasnt he? roughly 150k a year too? is that not a disgrace? why is that not causing such outrage?

did shady politics begin and end with Ahern?

People in general are very very stupid.

You're starting to irritate me laddie.

kryogen · 25-03-2012 12:24AM

Doc Ruby wrote: »

So him apologising for telling people to commit suicide was a figment of our collective imagination was it?

http://www.rte.ie/news/2007/0704/economy.html

I sincerely hope you're just trolling and get banned for it, because there's no hope for you otherwise.

Didnt tell people to commit suicide, this is basic comprehension stuff.

If you bothered to read my posts you would see that I have already mentioned the comment, the stupidity of it, and the apology that followed, but hey, this post may get you a few thanks eh?

you have a problem with my posts report them, apologies for not conforming to what you believe to be right.

kryogen · 25-03-2012 12:27AM

The King of Moo wrote: »

You said earlier that Bertie is a nice chap. You even thanked him.

I don't think anyone is necessarily being irrational or thanks-seeking to express shock at such statements, given Ahern's weaselly nature and the complete disrespect he's shown for the law, the integrity of the office of Taoiseach, and the people of this country.

Just given his statements in the last few days, I don't see how even his most die-hard supporters would want to praise him.

Theres the rub, I'm not actually a Bertie supporter, or a FF supporter, have never voted FF in my life and dont see myself doing so in the near future.

I am giving my opinion, because of that I am being attacked.

I have no problem with anyone thinking Bertie is a corrupt weasel, none whatsoever, I have never said he is squeeky clean.

Id say Ill leave ye to it tbh, film starting that I want to watch and there really is no point in this.

Edit: your selective paraphrasing of me is just stupid, why did I thank him?

You stating simply that I even thanked him implies more then it should, I thanked him for his work in the North. That was it.

Like arguing with 4 year olds.

ilovesleep · 25-03-2012 12:27AM

kryogen wrote: »

Which advice?

He made an off the cuff remark regarding people who are constant doomsday sayers, he also apologized, he did not tell them to commit suicide did he? he did not advocate it or say it was the right thing to do.

He questioned how people who see the world so negatively go on living, stupid yes, the point he was trying to make is clear however, and there is a slight difference in advocating killing someone and making a brash statement rejecting some analysts ideas.

The analysts in question were correct, the statements they made were widely available publicly, more so due to his stupid remark, why didnt people heed the advice given?

You wrote previously that Bertie didn't recommend suicide:

kryogen wrote: »

Ah see now your just making stuff up, no politician would ever advocate people killing themselves, poor show.

Now you are acknowledging he did say to commit suicide.

He issued that to an econmist known as Morgan Kelly. Morgan Kelly did some research and discovered that we were going through a property boom similiar to what Finland had in the early 90s. Eventually with such a boom things go downhill within an economy. I believe this was back in 2006. Berties response to this advice to cool the economy and put a lid on property buying was suicide.

If Bertie was truly sorry for uttering such words he would have/should have introduced measures to cool the property buying and ring fence the spending. Instead for example in budget dec 06 dole was increased. There was nothing done with the help that help that Morgan Kelly tried to provide.

kryogen · 25-03-2012 12:29AM

Doc Ruby wrote: »

You're starting to irritate me laddie.

So?

kryogen · 25-03-2012 12:31AM

ilovesleep wrote: »

You wrote previously that Bertie didn't recommend suicide:

Now you are acknowledging he did say to commit suicide.

He issued that to an econmist known as Morgan Kelly. Morgan Kelly did some research and discovered that we were going through a property boom similiar to what Finland had in the early 90s. Eventually with such a boom things go downhill within an economy. I believe this was back in 2006. Berties response to this advice to cool the economy and put a lid on property buying was suicide.

If Bertie was truly sorry for uttering such words he would have/should have introduced measures to cool the property buying and ring fence the spending. Instead for example in budget dec 06 dole was increased. There was nothing done with the help that help that Morgan Kelly tried to provide.

Sweet mother of jesus, I am definitely out of here.

No I did not acknowledge what you are claiming, just no.

Good luck to you now.

Doc Ruby · 25-03-2012 12:32AM

kryogen wrote: »

Didnt tell people to commit suicide, this is basic comprehension stuff.

Basic comprehension, alright so lets talk about basic comprehension for a while. This means the understanding of very simple things, that only a complete simpleton would be unable to understand.

Now while there is no doubt that you're a person of tremendous intelligence and discretion, with a high level of skill at piercing complex layers of meaning with a single glance, and in no way a simpleton, it takes a bit of work to misinterpret what Bertie Ahern said when he commented that he didn't know why people didn't commit suicide.

Indeed it takes a fairly special level of interpretation to see that any other way, especially after he admitted publicly that he was wrong to make that comment.

I note you have a football personage in your sig there, and I also note that Bertie was an ardent fan of football, wasting over a hundred million euros of taxpayer money that could have paid for a hospital on his Bertie bowl that was never built.

Now while a thoroughgoing moron would put a football obsession over a hospital, there is no question in my mind for one that you could ever be described as such an individual, all things considered.

I respect your opinions and that they are as valid as the next man's.

kryogen wrote: »

you have a problem with my posts report them, apologies for not conforming to what you believe to be right.

Apology accepted and posts reported.

ilovesleep · 25-03-2012 12:44AM

kryogen wrote: »

Em, when did I claim Bertie recommended suicide to someone?

Did I not in fact totally refute that claim?

He never told anybody to commit suicide!

Edit- Ah I see you said, anybody, well I can save you some time, you will not be able to find any clip or statement anywhere that has Bertie recommending suicide to someone.

Here we go:
http://m.youtube.com//v=hfjGSfuSQpA

KeithM89_old · 25-03-2012 12:48AM

Mod

Anymore flaming/baiting and youre gone.
You know who you are.

The King of Moo · 25-03-2012 12:54AM

kryogen wrote: »

Theres the rub, I'm not actually a Bertie supporter, or a FF supporter, have never voted FF in my life and dont see myself doing so in the near future.

I am giving my opinion, because of that I am being attacked.

I have no problem with anyone thinking Bertie is a corrupt weasel, none whatsoever, I have never said he is squeeky clean.

Id say Ill leave ye to it tbh, film starting that I want to watch and there really is no point in this.

Edit: your selective paraphrasing of me is just stupid, why did I thank him?

You stating simply that I even thanked him implies more then it should, I thanked him for his work in the North. That was it.

Like arguing with 4 year olds.

There's a time and place for everything. Why thank him now, when there's so much justified anger against him, in a thread dealing with his corruption, and not his (exaggerated) work in the North?
Mention it a few years down the line, but to do so now just seems like trolling, even if that's not your intention.

I won't even bother with your remarks about stupidity.

cloptrop · 25-03-2012 01:11AM

If anyone thinks somebody would study to get a degree spend their life making connections in the political world then be a td for the good of the people they are pooping out their cake vessels. The people you think would do this and be honest dont exist. Id say every td out there is on the take in some shape or form , if he wasnt nobody in the elite would trust him therefore he wouldnt get in power.
THE PARTY PICK THE LEADERS

Biggins · 25-03-2012 01:43AM

hondasam wrote: »

It's typical of Bertie to jump before he is pushed. I know the pension is a small thing but I don't think he should still get it. I agree there are plenty more like him in FF and FG.

He's making a habit of jumping isn't he?
Jumping from government, jumping from closets, jumping from a party?
I wish he would just go jump off the end of a pier and save us a state funeral cost!

AvarusAnimus · 25-03-2012 01:57AM

Miserable scumbag...

i57dwun4yb1pt8 · 25-03-2012 02:32AM

id give me savings to see a picture of this fat turd and p flynn
hanging from lamposts by the neck , being eaten by crows

... hey but thats just me

Bertie Ahern statement/resignation

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