luis suarez over praised, theo walcott slated

citytillidie wrote: »

How many of those have been banned for 5 league games?

I`m not too sure how many of these players were given suspensions / injuries, etc.

I`m assuming that you are saying that Suarez has less goals because he has played less games, this got me thinking of the goals / games ratio for the players in and around Suarez in the goal stakes, below you will find a breakdown ( i`m open to correction on these btw, and they do not include goal today. )


Goals Games Goal Ratio
20 Rafael van der Vaart 8 24 3.0
20 Ivan Klasnic 8 19 2.4
20 Heidar Helguson 8 15 1.9
20 Steve Morison 8 26 3.3
24 Bobby Zamora 7 21 3.0
24 Peter Crouch 7 24 3.4
24 Dimitar Berbatov 7 10 1.4
24 Scott Sinclair 7 29 4.1
24 Danny Welbeck 7 23 3.3
24 Anthony Pilkington 7 25 3.6
24 Stéphane Sessegnon 7 27 3.9
24 Luis Suarez 7 24 3.4
32 Mikel Arteta 6 26 4.3
32 Craig Bellamy 6 21 3.5
32 Nicklas Bendtner 6 23 3.8
32 Theo Walcott 6 28 4.7
32 Shane Long 6 24 4.0
Goals Games Goal Ratio
24 Dimitar Berbatov 7 10 1.4
20 Heidar Helguson 8 15 1.9
20 Ivan Klasnic 8 19 2.4
20 Rafael van der Vaart 8 24 3.0
24 Bobby Zamora 7 21 3.0
20 Steve Morison 8 26 3.3
24 Danny Welbeck 7 23 3.3
24 Peter Crouch 7 24 3.4
24 Luis Suarez 7 24 3.4
32 Craig Bellamy 6 21 3.5
24 Anthony Pilkington 7 25 3.6
32 Nicklas Bendtner 6 23 3.8
24 Stéphane Sessegnon 7 27 3.9
32 Shane Long 6 24 4.0
24 Scott Sinclair 7 29 4.1
32 Mikel Arteta 6 26 4.3
32 Theo Walcott 6 28 4.7


Same list put in order of games played:-
Goals Games Ratio
24 Scott Sinclair 7 29 4.1
32 Theo Walcott 6 28 4.7
24 Stéphane Sessegnon 7 27 3.9
20 Steve Morison 8 26 3.3
32 Mikel Arteta 6 26 4.3
24 Anthony Pilkington 7 25 3.6
20 Rafael van der Vaart 8 24 3.0
24 Peter Crouch 7 24 3.4
24 Luis Suarez 7 24 3.4
32 Shane Long 6 24 4.0
24 Danny Welbeck 7 23 3.3
32 Nicklas Bendtner 6 23 3.8
24 Bobby Zamora 7 21 3.0
32 Craig Bellamy 6 21 3.5
20 Ivan Klasnic 8 19 2.4
20 Heidar Helguson 8 15 1.9
24 Dimitar Berbatov 7 10 1.4

Ganymede Glow wrote: »

Suárez wins Copa America with Uruguay winning player of the tournament and finishing second in the scoring charts.

Theo Walcott cant even get into an arguably worse England team who have no chance of winning...well anything really.

Headless chicken

Using international football as a barometer is pretty stupid

Ganymede Glow wrote: »

Proves he's a better player

Bs it does.

Messi has won nothing with Argentina. Has played generally pretty poor and has only 22 goals in 67 matches

David Villa has won both the world cup and euro's with Spain and has been leading the line in both these tournaments with 51 goals in 82 matches.

Who is the better player?

Insert Torres and what he's won at international level for an even more biased view.... see what i mean???

Ganymede Glow wrote: »

We're not comparing anyone else, we're comparing Suárez/Walcott. It's only obvious you're going to look at what both have done at international level

Im showing you how its retarded to use international football to suggest one player is better than another. Club football is what is played every week and will tell you who is the better player. This is just fact.

Paul Tergat wrote: »

Im showing you how its retarded to use international football to suggest one player is better than another. Club football is what is played every week and will tell you who is the better player. This is just fact.

Fair enough. But if some people are having trouble separating them would you not agree that looking at their international records might separate them?

Ganymede Glow wrote: »

Fair enough. But if some people are having trouble separating them would you not agree that looking at their international records might separate them?

Meh at a push I guess. its not what you said though and now what i responded to....

Put it this way, you cant really choose you international team (in most cases). The fact that Walcott is with a **** English team is not his fault. The fact that Suarez is in a good Uruguay team is partly down to him but a huge part of it is down to having some quality players around him.

cambo2008 wrote: »

No.I can tell that Suarez in a struggling Liverpool team is a better player than Walcott in an Arsenal team that have been playing well.
Why the f**k would you want to bother comparing how his international team is doing.
There's brilliant players in shìt international teams.

Because it shows the extra bit of class in difference

cambo2008 wrote: »

No it doesn't,I'm not even going any further with this,it's a silly point you're putting forward.

Just because you dont agree doesn't make it silly

Ganymede Glow wrote: »

Doesn't say much for him if he cant get in it. Suárez is one of the main men in a better Uruguay team. You have just wrote my whole point in your post.

BTW people are still separating Messi and Maradona over international football

But your point is bollocks.

International football is not what it was so people separating Maradona and Messi on this point are being retarded.

Paul Tergat wrote: »

But your point is bollocks.

International football is not what it was so people separating Maradona and Messi on this point are being retarded.

These are things managers look at whether you think its bollocks or not. Club football both players are worlds apart. Internationally, both players are worlds apart. Great players are remembered for achievements in both.

I simply used international football to separate the gulf in class between both.

cambo2008 wrote: »

Well you seem to be the only one with that view,everyone that posted about your point disagreed with it.

And what? That makes me wrong because a couple of guys on a forum dont agree with me?

What is wrong with using international football to show the difference in two players?

cambo2008 wrote: »

Well you seem to be the only one with that view,everyone that posted about your point disagreed with it.

I agree with him. Suarez is a key player in a very good international team.
Walcott is an average player in an average team.
Would England like to have Luis in Euro 2012?
You betcha!
Walcott for Uruguay? - not today Jose!