Bertie Ahern statement/resignation

steve9859 · 24-03-2012 03:45PM

I love that everyone is pretending to be outraged by this when everyone has known about it for a decade or more and continued to vote these guys in. Fintan sums it up best in the Irish Times today...."would Bertie still be elected today if the Celtic tiger were still roaring along? Given the choice between easy money and hard morality it is not obvious that the people would not, once again, suspend it's disbelief in berties laughable lies"

Of course he'd get elected. They all took the electorate for mugs, and the people were happy to let them do what they wanted as long as 'parish pump poliyics' got them their new road or sports centre

So less of the feigned shock please.....we all effectively sanctioned what they were at!

RobbingBandit · 24-03-2012 03:49PM

Wild Bill wrote: »

Who? mrrepublic or Bertie?

Why not both.

The King of Moo · 24-03-2012 04:09PM

steve9859 wrote: »

I love that everyone is pretending to be outraged by this when everyone has known about it for a decade or more and continued to vote these guys in. Fintan sums it up best in the Irish Times today...."would Bertie still be elected today if the Celtic tiger were still roaring along? Given the choice between easy money and hard morality it is not obvious that the people would not, once again, suspend it's disbelief in berties laughable lies"

Of course he'd get elected. They all took the electorate for mugs, and the people were happy to let them do what they wanted as long as 'parish pump poliyics' got them their new road or sports centre

So less of the feigned shock please.....we all effectively sanctioned what they were at!

I don't think people are acting shocked that the corruption happened: they're shocked that Bertie got away with it, more likely, and that he's still insisting on his innocence.

Also, I never sanctioned Fianna Fáil's corruption because I've never once voted for them, so don't lump us all in together.

Son Of A Vidic · 24-03-2012 04:42PM

steve9859 wrote: »

So less of the feigned shock please.....we all effectively sanctioned what they were at!

Here's more of this 'we' bullshít that if nothing else, certainly provides for entertaining reading. In the 2002 and 2007 General elections, Fianna Fáil won 41.5% and 41.6% share of the overall vote. So please feel free to apply you stupid generalisations at those relevant voters. One can only hope that you can do the simple math and realise that the vast majority of us, didn't sanction those conniving shower of fúckwits.

lividduck · 24-03-2012 05:29PM

mrrepublic wrote: »

F.F. the soldiers of destiny.
Will now regroup, rebuild, return to power and reignite the economy, no other political party on this Island have the ability to lead us out of our current difficulties.
People that vote for the likes of Ming Flanagan etc. are the wasters in our land that will never contribute to the State.
It is so easy to bash and trash those that worked on our behalf. Do you know any better party than F.F. to lead?
F.G./Lab are a joke.
S.F. are mouth pieces with no answers.
Look to the future Look to F.F.

Have you taken your medication today?
FF gave us
P.Flynn
B.Cooper Flynn
Bertie
Cowen the drunken clown
Ray Rambo Burke
It institutionalized corruption, it took existing low level cronyism to new levels.
If i had my way FF would be proscribed.

steve9859 · 24-03-2012 05:36PM

Corvus Maximus wrote: »

steve9859 wrote: »

So less of the feigned shock please.....we all effectively sanctioned what they were at!

Here's more of this 'we' bullshít that if nothing else, certainly provides for entertaining reading. In the 2002 and 2007 General elections, Fianna Fáil won 41.5% and 41.6% share of the overall vote. So please feel free to apply you stupid generalisations at those relevant voters. One can only hope that you can do the simple math and realise that the vast majority of us, didn't sanction those conniving shower of fúckwits.

Christ.....we live in a democracy, right? And 'the people' vote in a particular government who then represent the people, including you. Hence 'the people' sanctioned berties, and various other TD's and councillor's (mostly, but not only FF, by the way) behavior (seeing as everyone knew about it). And are now moaning about it....

up for anything · 24-03-2012 05:47PM

steve9859 wrote: »

Christ.....we live in a democracy, right? And 'the people' vote in a particular government who then represent the people, including you. Hence 'the people' sanctioned berties, and various other TD's and councillor's (mostly, but not only FF, by the way) behavior (seeing as everyone knew about it). And are now moaning about it....

Ah bollix to that! Some of us, including myself, abstained from voting. In fact when the election was under way I was busy in the cellar with gunpowder, treason and plot but then Gerry, Bertie and Enda got called away and I was left hanging....

dirtyden · 24-03-2012 06:10PM

lividduck wrote: »

Have you taken your medication today?
FF gave us
P.Flynn
B.Cooper Flynn
Bertie
Cowen the drunken clown
Ray Rambo Burke
It institutionalized corruption, it took existing low level cronyism to new levels.
If i had my way FF would be proscribed.

You have forgotten quite a few....CJH for one

BroomBurner · 24-03-2012 06:31PM

Fighting Irish wrote: »

Nobody gave a fook back when they thought they were rich

ps obviously not EVERYONE

Thanks for the PS there. I went to one or two of those hearings, they were shameful.

Son Of A Vidic · 24-03-2012 06:43PM

steve9859 wrote: »

Christ.....we live in a democracy, right? And 'the people' vote in a particular government who then represent the people, including you. Hence 'the people' sanctioned berties, and various other TD's and councillor's (mostly, but not only FF, by the way) behavior (seeing as everyone knew about it). And are now moaning about it....

So now you are actually suggesting that people who voted against FF and Bertie were somehow endorsing him. Does it get any better?

Biggins · 24-03-2012 06:57PM

steve9859 wrote: »

Christ.....we live in a democracy, right? And 'the people' vote in a particular government who then represent the people, including you. Hence 'the people' sanctioned berties, and various other TD's and councillor's (mostly, but not only FF, by the way) behavior (seeing as everyone knew about it). And are now moaning about it....

That just far too easy simplistic thinking! Its a kop-out!

For simple example if we applied your reasoning in regards how you see democracy to the North (and I use the North ONLY to illistrate how stupid the above thinking is):
Those that DIDN'T support Sinn Fein at the height of the violence up north, were subsequently also supported them just because someone else voted for them!
So by applying your then later methodology of how democracy works 'after the fact' - those same people that DIDN'T vote for them, are then also support violence?

South example version:
IRA bank robbers goes into a bank, comes out with cash, kills two cops, etc...
The organisation that might have known details of the above, was voted into seats of power by certain people - so as they too represent the people supposedly, we (including those that didn't vote for the public face of the org') are all guilty of not coming forth, telling the proper authorities of the culprits and/or we support them too?

"Aaa... sure they were elected, don't they represent us all!"

Utter stupidity

lividduck · 24-03-2012 07:24PM

dirtyden wrote: »

You have forgotten quite a few....CJH for one

And Liam Lawlor of course.
in fact too many to name!

gimmebroadband · 24-03-2012 08:18PM

NakedNNettles wrote: »

Nice to see a bit of honesty, I applaud you for that.

In the end it wasn't Bertie who destroyed the country, it was the people.

We all knew about these scams he was pulling long before the 2007 election yet like a bunch of lemmings, off to the polling a whole bunch of you went and placed a tick in the FF box.

A few of you would want to get off that high horse.

Would that be the same horse that 'oul bertie' won the few quid on? :P

goat2 · 24-03-2012 08:37PM

i beleive bertie says that the findings are not right, that he did nothing wrong, could he have been misunderstood

tayto lover · 24-03-2012 09:11PM

goat2 wrote: »

i beleive bertie says that the findings are not right, that he did nothing wrong, could he have been misunderstood

Maybe. Like when he told Celia Larkin to put the bag of dollars in her bunk and she went to her bank with it.

steddyeddy · 24-03-2012 09:38PM

I wait with baited breath to see wheter Bertie will be brought into a gaurda station for questioning over this.

dirtyden · 24-03-2012 09:43PM

lividduck wrote: »

And Liam Lawlor of course.
in fact too many to name!

Ah sure one has only so much time to compose a post.

Wild Bill · 24-03-2012 09:57PM

tayto lover wrote: »

Maybe. Like when he told Celia Larkin to put the bag of dollars in her bunk and she went to her bank with it.

Did they bonk in her bunk, drunk, before she went to the bank :rolleyes:

steddyeddy · 24-03-2012 09:59PM

Sorry to say again but I really hope we will get a gaurda statement regarding a criminal investigation into this.

Wild Bill · 24-03-2012 10:13PM

steddyeddy wrote: »

Sorry to say again but I really hope we will get a gaurda statement regarding a criminal investigation into this.

I wouldn't be the least bit sorry!

hondasam · 24-03-2012 10:20PM

''Former Taoiseach Bertie Ahern has announced that he is resigning from Fianna Fáil - just days before the party's National Executive meets to consider expelling him.''

http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/0324/mahon.html

Good riddance.

steddyeddy · 24-03-2012 10:26PM

hondasam wrote: »

''Former Taoiseach Bertie Ahern has announced that he is resigning from Fianna Fáil - just days before the party's National Executive meets to consider expelling him.''

http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/0324/mahon.html

Good riddance.

Indeed but I mean If I commit massive tax evasion and am massivley corrupt I cant just resign from my job and expect everything to be ok. Is the law in this country a bit slow?

hondasam · 24-03-2012 10:28PM

steddyeddy wrote: »

Indeed but I mean If I commit massive tax evasion and am massivley corrupt I cant just resign from my job and expect everything to be ok. Is the law in this country a bit slow?

I wonder if they can take his pension of him. He should not get away with everything and I don't think he will.

goat2 · 24-03-2012 10:29PM

bet he will be back, next election, his hometown will support him

steddyeddy · 24-03-2012 10:30PM

hondasam wrote: »

I wonder if they can take his pension of him. He should not get away with everything and I don't think he will.

Sorry I wasnt getting at you with that post. I apologise if it came across that way. Yes I agree but theres enough reason to launch a criminal investigation against him.

hondasam · 24-03-2012 10:32PM

steddyeddy wrote: »

Sorry I wasnt getting at you with that post. I apologise if it came across that way. Yes I agree but theres enough reason to launch a criminal investigation against him.

It's ok did not think you were

There is but it would actually make me more than a little happy to see his pension taken from him, sad I know but he is so smug.

ilovesleep · 24-03-2012 10:38PM

hondasam wrote: »

''Former Taoiseach Bertie Ahern has announced that he is resigning from Fianna Fáil - just days before the party's National Executive meets to consider expelling him.''

http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/0324/mahon.html

Good riddance.

What a god damn fcuking pri(k. He won't give us a small bit of satisfaction of seeing him ousted from his party. Not that it will mean much now after the damage he did to this country and not that it's enough justice.

All of FF should resign from politics, not just this ******.

hondasam · 24-03-2012 10:46PM

ilovesleep wrote: »

What a god damn fcuking pri(k. He won't give us a small bit of satisfaction of seeing him ousted from his party. Not that it will mean much now after the damage he did to this country and not that it's enough justice.

All of FF should resign from politics, not just this ******.

It's typical of Bertie to jump before he is pushed. I know the pension is a small thing but I don't think he should still get it. I agree there are plenty more like him in FF and FG.

patwicklow · 24-03-2012 10:46PM

Hes just jumped again so sly..

charlemont · 24-03-2012 10:48PM

steddyeddy wrote: »

I wait with baited breath to see wheter Bertie will be brought into a gaurda station for questioning over this.

It won't happen, I'd be almost full sure that Bertie would have lots of dirt on the Gardaí. So they won't touch him.

Bertie Ahern statement/resignation

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