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Bottle of wine binge drinking?

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  • #32
    Beefy78
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,166 ✭✭✭Beefy78


    Mr. Loverman wrote: »
    I don't scare easily, I just understand thinking alcohol is only good for binge drinking means you do not have a healthy relationship with alcohol. I am sorry I have to say that to you.

    I have a very healthy relationship with alcohol, thank you. I drink once or twice a month and rarely get drunk. Didn't touch a drop on Paddys Day, for example. I know loads of people who drink a glass or two most evenings. I don't think that that is good for them but it's their life and if it works for them then it's no one else's business, really. Unlike you, I don't feel the need or right to enforce my values onto other people.


  • #33
    Princess Peach
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,698 ✭✭✭✭Princess Peach


    Beefy78 wrote: »
    I have a very healthy relationship with alcohol, thank you. I drink once or twice a month and rarely get drunk. Didn't touch a drop on Paddys Day, for example. I know loads of people who drink a glass or two most evenings. I don't think that that is good for them but it's their life and if it works for them then it's no one else's business, really. Unlike you, I don't feel the need or right to enforce my values onto other people.

    If you are rarely getting drunk you're not bingeing right then :pac:


  • #34
    Beefy78
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,166 ✭✭✭Beefy78


    Princess Peach wrote: »
    If you are rarely getting drunk you're not bingeing right then :pac:

    I'm cursed with an inability to get absolutely smashed. It's annoying. I drink and drink and drink but I'm still standing at the end. It would be much cheaper if I passed out in the corner after a couple like some of my friends do :)


  • #35
    Mr. Loverman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,001 ✭✭✭Mr. Loverman


    Beefy78 wrote: »
    I have a very healthy relationship with alcohol, thank you. I drink once or twice a month and rarely get drunk. Didn't touch a drop on Paddys Day, for example. I know loads of people who drink a glass or two most evenings. I don't think that that is good for them but it's their life and if it works for them then it's no one else's business, really. Unlike you, I don't feel the need or right to enforce my values onto other people.

    Hang on... you previously said alcohol is only good for binge drinking.

    And I'm not forcing my values onto other people. What a strange thing to say.


  • #36
    Mr. Loverman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,001 ✭✭✭Mr. Loverman


    Beefy78 wrote: »
    I don't see the point in drinking unless it's a binge.
    Beefy78 wrote: »
    I have a very healthy relationship with alcohol
    Beefy78 wrote: »
    I drink and drink and drink but I'm still standing at the end.

    Please look at what you're saying.


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  • #37
    gbee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,384 ✭✭✭gbee


    Red Wine is good. The rate of consumption is one glass a day. With six glasses officially in a bottle, then a bottle should last the week.

    RED Wine is good in some respects, but it has more overall harmful effects pro rata consumption visavis beer and less visavis spirits.

    Red Wine is not as bad as white wine [read Best's Story] and wine is strong. Manufactures are making more and more fortified wines with higher alcohol rates.

    There seems to be a general misconception among the public that wine is like a shandy and low %.


  • #38
    minidazzler
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,650 ✭✭✭✭minidazzler


    Teyla Emmagan wrote: »
    Bottle of red wine can have 14 units in it, which is woman's weekly limit. Nearly 3/4s of a man's. And if it get's you drunk it's technically binge drinking.

    Interesting question for 7.30 in the morning though OP.

    Weekly limits which were completely pulled out of the air.

    Except for the fact that wine is not for me, 1 bottle may be binge drinking by other peoples standards but it doesn't seem all that much to me. I don't consider it a binge until I'm at least 7 pints in, and once I'm that far along it's turning into a bender anyway.


  • #39
    Beefy78
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,166 ✭✭✭Beefy78


    Mr. Loverman wrote: »
    Please look at what you're saying.

    I am reading what I'm saying. I drink probably three times every two months. On these three occasions I'll binge. Personally I think that that is better than drinking a small amount four or five times a week. But that's just my opinion.

    I'd rather go out with my friends and have a few drinks than have a glass of red with my dinner. That is what soft drinks are for.

    I can happily go two or three months without a drop of alcohol without second thought. I think that is a healthy relationship with alcohol. On the other hand I'm going away for a weekend next month with some friends and can't wait to hit a pub and do some proper binge drinking.

    If people are getting smashed four times a week then of course that isn't good. But if people are living their lives, causing no harm to anyone other than maybe themselves, maybe getting drunk once a month or maybe, God forbid, having a bottle of wine to themselves one evening then what right do you or anyone else have to criticise them?


  • #40
    Teyla Emmagan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,638 ✭✭✭Teyla Emmagan


    minidazzler wrote: »
    Weekly limits which were completely pulled out of the air.

    Except for the fact that wine is not for me, 1 bottle may be binge drinking by other peoples standards but it doesn't seem all that much to me. I don't consider it a binge until I'm at least 7 pints in, and once I'm that far along it's turning into a bender anyway.

    But it's not about whether you consider it a binge or not, it's about whether the medical profession do. It's about the number of units you've consumed, not if they've had any effect on you or not. Just sayin', like.

    I think wine can be pretty lethal actually. Have read too many articles (ok, probably the Daily Mail again) about people in their 50s who need a liver transplant. Never 'drank heavily', just 'had a glass or two of wine every night'. Too may people don't seem to respect that wine is actually pretty strong alcohol I think.

    And I'm a whole way away from perfect myself, but I also don't fool myself that what I'm doing is okay when I'm cracking open that third bottle of Chateauneauf du Pape on a Monday evening.


  • #41
    keith_d99
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    Teyla Emmagan wrote: »
    Bottle of red wine can have 14 units in it, which is woman's weekly limit. Nearly 3/4s of a man's. And if it get's you drunk it's technically binge drinking.

    Interesting question for 7.30 in the morning though OP.

    14 units??!? At most 8 according to drinkaware .....

    For example, a bottle of wine (750ml) with an ABV of 12% contains 7 standard drinks, while a bottle of wine (750ml) with an ABV of 13.5% contains 8 standard drinks.

    1 bottle wine is the equivalent of 4 pints


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  • #42
    Mr. Loverman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,001 ✭✭✭Mr. Loverman


    Teyla Emmagan wrote: »
    But it's not about whether you consider it a binge or not, it's about whether the medical profession do. It's about the number of units you've consumed, not if they've had any effect on you or not. Just sayin', like.

    I think wine can be pretty lethal actually. Have read too many articles (ok, probably the Daily Mail again) about people in their 50s who need a liver transplant. Never 'drank heavily', just 'had a glass or two of wine every night'. Too may people don't seem to respect that wine is actually pretty strong alcohol I think.

    And I'm a whole way away from perfect myself, but I also don't fool myself that what I'm doing is okay when I'm cracking open that third bottle of Chateauneauf du Pape on a Monday evening.

    Everyone has heard what the medical profession have to say, so really at this stage I think it is plain denial.


  • #43
    Beefy78
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,166 ✭✭✭Beefy78


    Teyla Emmagan wrote: »
    I think wine can be pretty lethal actually. Have read too many articles (ok, probably the Daily Mail again) about people in their 50s who need a liver transplant. Never 'drank heavily', just 'had a glass or two of wine every night'. Too may people don't seem to respect that wine is actually pretty strong alcohol I think.

    Sounds like these people would have been better off not having a glass or two a night and just drinking when the objective of the evening was to get drunk.

    If God had intended us to drink five times a week he wouldn't have invented Robinson's Fruit & Barley.


  • #44
    Mr. Loverman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,001 ✭✭✭Mr. Loverman


    Beefy78 wrote: »
    If God had intended us to drink five times a week he wouldn't have invented Robinson's Fruit & Barley.

    I'm an atheist but... if god had intended us to binge drink he wouldn't have created hangovers...

    I agree though that drinking heavily or sort of heavily every day is obviously bad.


  • #45
    Teyla Emmagan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,638 ✭✭✭Teyla Emmagan


    keith_d99 wrote: »
    14 units??!? At most 8 according to drinkaware .....

    For example, a bottle of wine (750ml) with an ABV of 12% contains 7 standard drinks, while a bottle of wine (750ml) with an ABV of 13.5% contains 8 standard drinks.

    I dunno about that, (from Wikipedia) "A 750 ml bottle of 14.5% ABV wine contains 10.88 units." 11 units and a woman's weekly allowance of 14 aren't that far apart.

    I will admit I may have been working on the dramatic effect principle, but all I'm saying is that a bottle of wine can actually have a lot more units in it than most people realise. And increasingly we are drinking stronger and stronger proof (if that's the word) wines, without even knowing it. You think you're having 7 units, but you could actually be drinking nearly twice that.


  • #46
    OldNotWIse
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    Mr. Loverman wrote: »
    I can't believe this question is being asked.

    Of course (!!!!) drinking a bottle of wine by yourself is binge drinking.

    And if you really mean by yourself as in you're sitting at home alone getting drunk on a bottle of wine... that is not good.


    Why is "sitting at home alone" getting drunk different to going out getting drunk? Are the units not the same? I have an alcoholic brother who does not drink at home alone (in fact he can go for weeks or months without drink) but when he does go out and drink he completely loses it, does not know when to stop and is a danger to himself and probably others.


  • #47
    Teyla Emmagan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,638 ✭✭✭Teyla Emmagan


    Beefy78 wrote: »
    Sounds like these people would have been better off not having a glass or two a night and just drinking when the objective of the evening was to get drunk.

    Apparently binge drinking as you suggest is way worse for your liver than just having one or two a night.

    Okay, I must actually go and do some work...


  • #48
    OldNotWIse
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    Beefy78 wrote: »
    Why is it not good? I don't drink at home at all but drinking a bottle to yourself on a Saturday evening whilst watching a couple of films and Match of the Day doesn't seem like a problem to me.

    Binge drinking gets a bad press. Personally, I don't see the point in drinking unless it's a binge.

    Seems to me it's more frowned upon to drink a bottle to yourself at home, relaxing than it is to get sh1t faced and be falling around the city centre at 4 in the morning...


  • #49
    Mr. Loverman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,001 ✭✭✭Mr. Loverman


    OldNotWIse wrote: »
    Why is "sitting at home alone" getting drunk different to going out getting drunk?

    Drinking on your own is one of the signs of alcoholism / having a drink problem.

    Of course I don't think everyone who drinks on their own is an alcoholic, but really it is common sense that people who get drunk at home on their own (regularly or semi-regularly) probably have an unhealthy relationship with alcohol. For example, they use alcohol to cope with their loneliness or to avoid dealing with problems in their life.

    For the record I sometimes drink on my own but I don't see any reason to be in denial about the reality of alcohol.


  • #50
    OldNotWIse
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    Mr. Loverman wrote: »
    I am pretty sure a doctor would say drinking a full bottle of wine in one sitting is bad for you hence why I have a problem with it.

    The part of your quote in bold is a bit scary.

    PS I myself have drank a full bottle of wine myself in one sitting more than once or twice, but I guess the difference is I know and accept this is bad for me!
    PPS I have travelled a lot and one thing I noticed very quickly was we Irish people really do have a problem with alcohol.

    I am Irish. I agree we have a problem with drink as a nation. I agree that I have a problem with drink (particularly when it runs out, I hate that part!). I think some people here (myself included) know that we are going over the limits, and accept that it is bad...and think so the hell what? We all do things that are bad for us. I know wine is bad for me (especially coupled with a zanax) but I enjoy it and am not willing to give it up.


  • #51
    OldNotWIse
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    Mr. Loverman wrote: »
    Drinking on your own is one of the signs of alcoholism / having a drink problem.

    Of course I don't think everyone who drinks on their own is an alcoholic, but really it is common sense that people who get drunk at home on their own (regularly or semi-regularly) probably have an unhealthy relationship with alcohol. For example, they use alcohol to cope with their loneliness or to avoid dealing with problems in their life.

    For the record I sometimes drink on my own but I don't see any reason to be in denial about the reality of alcohol.

    Who is in denial about the reality of alcohol? I drink on my own, and I would consider myself to be an alcoholic (not because I drink on my own but because I know my reasons for drinking - shutting out, relaxing, escape etc) I just wanted to be sure that people are not saying everyone who drinks alone is an alcoholic. It is a fairly common misconception.


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  • #52
    Mr. Loverman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,001 ✭✭✭Mr. Loverman


    OldNotWIse wrote: »
    I am Irish. I agree we have a problem with drink as a nation. I agree that I have a problem with drink (particularly when it runs out, I hate that part!). I think some people here (myself included) know that we are going over the limits, and accept that it is bad...and think so the hell what? We all do things that are bad for us. I know wine is bad for me (especially coupled with a zanax) but I enjoy it and am not willing to give it up.

    I get the feeling some people don't think it is bad...


  • #53
    Mr. Loverman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,001 ✭✭✭Mr. Loverman


    OldNotWIse wrote: »
    Who is in denial about the reality of alcohol?

    Read the full thread. I accept you are not in denial about your problem with alcohol.

    Btw no one has said everyone who drinks alone is an alcoholic. Read the full thread. :)


  • #54
    OldNotWIse
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    Mr. Loverman wrote: »
    Read the full thread. I accept you are not in denial about your problem with alcohol.

    Btw no one has said everyone who drinks alone is an alcoholic. Read the full thread. :)

    I get the feeling you want me to read the full thread :D Sorry dont have that much spare time but II have been following. You said, "don't see any reason to be in denial about the reality of alcohol". With respect, why did you bother saying this if no one in the thread is in said denial?
    Sorry about that, didn't read your post properly :(


  • #55
    OldNotWIse
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    Or maybe some people are in denial :rolleyes: I think being in town on Paddys Day really showed what a nation of dipsos we really are :D


  • #56
    minidazzler
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,650 ✭✭✭✭minidazzler


    Mr. Loverman wrote: »
    I get the feeling some people don't think it is bad...

    I know it's not technically good for my physical health, but it is VERY good for my emotional well-being, which overall makes my physical health better because when I feel better I work out more and I feel a lot better when I've had a decent session.

    That said, I really don't care if it's bad for my health, I like beer and cocktails, I like how they taste, how they smell and the feeling I get when I've had a fair amount. Something being bad for your health does not make it inherently bad for you overall. For me the positives of getting pissed far out weigh the negatives.


  • #57
    suicide_circus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,801 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    My wine preference is for a rose no more than 12% or a riesling of about 9% if I can get it. Much rather a light wine


  • #58
    sunflower27
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    Before I got a tenant in I often enjoyed a few glasses of wine at home on my own. I probably should have got the neighbour to come in so that it wasn't a problem :D

    I gave up drink almost three months ago now and haven't looked back. Was going through a rough patch last year and saw my drinking starting to escalate and that started to worry me. It is all too easy to unwind with a nice glass or two of wine... but that was creeping up and it was affecting my mood as well.

    I do have to say that drinking wine in the evenings at home is becoming far more commonplace around my female circle of friends and some have admitted to me how easy it is to get out of hand.

    I was discussing this with a few friends over the weekend and they both admitted that they are drinking more than they did a few years ago.

    Oh, and no I don't miss it. Am saving a fortune :p


  • #59
    Paddy Samurai
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,015 ✭✭✭Paddy Samurai


    BraziliaNZ wrote: »
    I think it's considered too much in one sitting by the kranks who release these "guidelines". But for me if I have to work the next morning and I have a full bottle of red, I don't feel so good or the whole day, pretty rotten actually, but not enough to be rendered incapable.


    Depends on the wine your drinking ,and the amount/type of additives.Try finding a different wine that suits you better.It worked for me.:D

    Its only the cider that kills me now :(


  • #60
    BraziliaNZ
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,671 ✭✭✭BraziliaNZ


    Paddy Samurai wrote: »
    Depends on the wine your drinking ,and the amount/type of additives.Try finding a different wine that suits you better.It worked for me.:D

    Its only the cider that kills me now :(

    I don't know, they all seem to mess me up - unfortunately I wont live long enough to try all the wines in the world to see which one suits me the best!


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  • #61
    Beefy78
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,166 ✭✭✭Beefy78


    I'm building up an extensive wine collection. Any time I have someone round they bring a bottle but, as I said, I don't drink at home so they never get drunk. I think I'm going to need an almighty binging session soon just to clear some room in my flat ;)


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