The Anti-Social Network-victims of trolling

willmunny1990 · 20-03-2012 03:08AM #1

Just watched this show on BBC3.

It's basically about internet trolls and what drives them to do what they do and the consequences their actions have on people. It gets very serious as people have killed themselves over trolling and cyber bulling.

I have never heard of RIP trolls until after watching this and to be honest i was genuinely shocked. They basically leave nasty comments on deceased peoples facebook accounts, My Space profiles and Twitter etc..

I can't understand this to be honest i mean what could somebody get out of this kind of thing?

I have never been a fan of putting up tributes for dead friends, relatives etc on the internet as i just think it's asking for trouble.

My question is this, how do you feel about tribute profiles for deceased people and the people that troll them?

Have you ever been a victim of this type of trolling or no of anyone who has and how do you feel in general about internet trolls?

Or if you have seen the show just comment your thoughts on it.

massdebater · 20-03-2012 03:10AM

Nice try OP, but I'm not falling for that...

Big Johnson · 20-03-2012 03:10AM

Whats a troll?

Dudess · 20-03-2012 03:12AM

In before "Get over it, it's just the Internet". Personally I think the blame should be directed at the pricks who carry on with this kind of venom.

Millicent · 20-03-2012 03:12AM

As much as I love the net in many ways, there is a nasty side to it that can't be denied.

There are some real asses in the world and sadly the veil of anonymity the internet brings allows those people to show the worst of themselves.

amacachi · 20-03-2012 03:13AM

That kind of stuff isn't trolling, trolling is an art.

Millicent · 20-03-2012 03:13AM

Dudess wrote: »

In before "Get over it, it's just the Internet". Personally I think the blame should be directed at the pricks who carry on with this kind of venom.

Victim blaming on the net? Never! :pac: Anyone who sides with a troll like the ones described in the OP should be ashamed of themselves.

amacachi · 20-03-2012 03:14AM

Millicent wrote: »

Victim blaming on the net? Never! :pac: Anyone who sides with a troll like the ones described in the OP should be ashamed of themselves.

How is telling someone to get over something the same as blaming them?

Millicent · 20-03-2012 03:15AM

amacachi wrote: »

That kind of stuff isn't trolling, trolling is an art.

True. Good trolling is bloody funny. "An hero" and stuff like that is pathetic and seriously lacking in skill or imagination.

Millicent · 20-03-2012 03:17AM

amacachi wrote: »

How is telling someone to get over something the same as blaming them?

People saying "it's only the internet--get over it" when people are genuinely being bullied are victim blaming by trying to imply someone is over-sensitive or too touchy.

Dudess · 20-03-2012 03:17AM

amacachi wrote: »

Millicent wrote: »

Victim blaming on the net? Never! :pac: Anyone who sides with a troll like the ones described in the OP should be ashamed of themselves.

How is telling someone to get over something the same as blaming them?

Well it's shifting responsibility from the actual offenders.

oppenheimer1 · 20-03-2012 03:18AM

willmunny1990 wrote: »

Just watched this show on BBC3.

It's basically about internet trolls and what drives them to do what they do and the consequences their actions have on people. It gets very serious as people have killed themselves over trolling and cyber bulling.

I have never heard of RIP trolls until after watching this and to be honest i was genuinely shocked. They basically leave nasty comments on deceased peoples facebook accounts, My Space profiles and Twitter etc..

I can't understand this to be honest i mean what could somebody get out of this kind of thing?

I have never been a fan of putting up tributes for dead friends, relatives etc on the internet as i just think it's asking for trouble.

My question is this, how do you feel about tribute profiles for deceased people and the people that troll them?

Have you ever been a victim of this type of trolling or no of anyone who has and how do you feel in general about internet trolls?

Or if you have seen the show just comment your thoughts on it.

You've never been here for the celebrity RIP threads. Pretty despicable some of the comments you'll find here.

Problems like this are much closer to home.

Killer Wench · 20-03-2012 03:18AM

There was a ten year old from my area who committed suicide because her classmates harassed her everyday. When a local news channel ran a story, the posted the video on their website, and I remember co-workers discussing how these bullies were still sending messages after it was reported that she had committed suicide.

http://illinoishomepage.net/fulltext/?nxd_id=310257

amacachi · 20-03-2012 03:18AM

Millicent wrote: »

True. Good trolling is bloody funny. "An hero" and stuff like that is pathetic and seriously lacking in skill or imagination.

Aye, the stuff with surprise fisting or old people orgies is just annoying to have associated with one's IP.

Millicent wrote: »

People saying "it's only the internet--get over it" when people are genuinely being bullied are victim blaming by trying to imply someone is over-sensitive or too touchy.

If one wished to read into like that, yes.

cloptrop · 20-03-2012 03:18AM

I thought trolling was fun untill I encountered these guys, whatever happened to pretending you loved the catholic church or felt Kenny Dalgleish should be sacked for a laugh . These RIP lads are depraved.
Disgrace to trolling.

amacachi · 20-03-2012 03:19AM

Dudess wrote: »

Well it's shifting responsibility from the actual offenders.

No it isn't. It doesn't address responsibility at all.

Millicent · 20-03-2012 03:22AM

amacachi wrote: »

Aye, the stuff with surprise fisting or old people orgies is just annoying to have associated with one's IP.

It reminds me of that one mate everyone has who when everyone is taking the piss and having a laugh has to go that one step too far and wreck the craic for everyone else.

amacachi wrote: »

If one wished to read into like that, yes.

There's no other way to read it really. People like Phoebe Prince or that gay teenager in America who killed himself after being bullied on Facebook don't need to be told to "get over it--it's only the internet". The people doing the bullying need to be told to cop the fuck on instead.

Millicent · 20-03-2012 03:25AM

amacachi wrote: »

No it isn't. It doesn't address responsibility at all.

Have you ever been bullied, amacachi? (Genuine question; not meaning to be dismissive or anything.)

Whatever form bullying takes, being told to get over it implies that it's your fault for being too sensitive and not the fault of the bully who's acting the dick in the first place.

amacachi · 20-03-2012 03:26AM

Millicent wrote: »

There's no other way to read it really. People like Phoebe Prince or that gay teenager in America who killed himself after being bullied on Facebook don't need to be told to "get over it--it's only the internet". The people doing the bullying need to be told to cop the fuck on instead.

Sure go on, I'll bite for the craic. Had she gotten over it would she be dead?

The opposite to "get over it" is "don't get over it". The people being dicks are being dicks, people still have to get over bad stuff that happens to them or there wouldn't be many people reaching their teens.

amacachi · 20-03-2012 03:27AM

Millicent wrote: »

Have you ever been bullied, amacachi? (Genuine question; not meaning to be dismissive or anything.)

Very much so. I didn't take any implication of me being at fault when I was told that I still had to go to school.

Millicent · 20-03-2012 03:31AM

amacachi wrote: »

Sure go on, I'll bite for the craic. Had she gotten over it would she be dead?

The opposite to "get over it" is "don't get over it". The people being dicks are being dicks, people still have to get over bad stuff that happens to them or there wouldn't be many people reaching their teens.

Aye, but you recognise that for some people that's easier said than done? Obviously, in the case of Phoebe Prince, she had other difficulties going on (move abroad, new school etc.) that meant she was in a more fragile state than others might have been. Being told to "get over it" wouldn't have helped her in the slightest but probably have made her feel worse.

amacachi wrote: »

Very much so. I didn't take any implication of me being at fault when I was told that I still had to go to school.

Sorry to hear that. Being told you still have to go to school though is not the same as being told to just get over it.

Dudess · 20-03-2012 03:31AM

amacachi wrote: »

Millicent wrote: »

Have you ever been bullied, amacachi? (Genuine question; not meaning to be dismissive or anything.)

Very much so. I didn't take any implication of me being at fault when I was told that I still had to go to school.

Well nobody remotely suggested something as drastic as not going to school, but "Get over it, you're being too sensitive" is of course shifting blame to the target. And doesn't address the bullies, just let's them carry on their merry way.

Jesus Wept · 20-03-2012 03:33AM

He kept switching from calling them trolls and trolling to trols and trol-ing.
Aside from that, he seemed like an alright dude, Richard Bacon.

Perhaps he was trolling me? Wp sir.

amacachi wrote: »

That kind of stuff isn't trolling, trolling is a art.

FYP

Dudess · 20-03-2012 03:35AM

The opposite to "Get over it" is "Let's tackle the little sh1ts" I'd have thought...

Naomi00 · 20-03-2012 03:36AM

I saw this programme too.

There was another one on BBC Panorama a few weeks ago where a girl was bullied by some of her own friends on formspring on Facebook and committed suicide by jumping in front of a train. Then a total stranger made Facebook pages about her and made memes out of her photos, trolled on her RIP page and stuff. They found out who he was and he went to jail I think.

Millicent · 20-03-2012 03:37AM

Naomi00 wrote: »

I saw this programme too.

There was another one on BBC Panorama a few weeks ago where a girl was bullied by some of her own friends on formspring on Facebook and committed suicide by jumping in front of a train. Then a total stranger made Facebook pages about her and made memes out of her photos, trolled on her RIP page and stuff. They found out who he was and he went to jail I think.

That's seriously fucked up.

amacachi · 20-03-2012 03:37AM

Millicent wrote: »

Aye, but you recognise that for some people that's easier said than done? Obviously, in the case of Phoebe Prince, she had other difficulties going on (move abroad, new school etc.) that meant she was in a more fragile state than others might have been. Being told to "get over it" wouldn't have helped her in the slightest but probably have made her feel worse.

So tell her not to get over it?

Sorry to hear that. Being told you still have to go to school though is not the same as being told to just get over it.

What's the alternative to getting over it?

Dudess wrote: »

Well nobody remotely suggested something as drastic as not going to school, but "Get over it, you're being too sensitive" is of course shifting blame to the target. And doesn't address the bullies, just let's them carry on their merry way.

Again, you're reading into something in a way it's generally not intended.

amacachi · 20-03-2012 03:38AM

Dudess wrote: »

The opposite to "Get over it" is "Let's tackle the little sh1ts" I'd have thought...

In a school setting one still has to face them day in and day out. There's no simple way of tackling it and it keeps going on.

Getting over what someone else does and tackling/punishing them for it aren't mutually exclusive, I'd've said the opposite if anything.

Dudess · 20-03-2012 03:39AM

If someone gets that upset by people on the net (although it should be remembered these bullies can also be known to the victim in real life) perhaps they ARE hypersensitive, but that doesn't mitigate the primary need for the bullies to be reined in.
People are different and have varying degrees of sensitivity. And bullying isn't just an everyday reality of life, as if it's something about which to be complacent - it's something that should be actively prevented, with harsh consequences.

willmunny1990 · 20-03-2012 03:41AM

Naomi00 wrote: »

I saw this programme too.

There was another one on BBC Panorama a few weeks ago where a girl was bullied by some of her own friends on formspring on Facebook and committed suicide by jumping in front of a train. Then a total stranger made Facebook pages about her and made memes out of her photos, trolled on her RIP page and stuff. They found out who he was and he went to jail I think.

I Think the show was more about cyber bulling rather than trolling, however i suppose it's a fine line and the term troll can be used loosely.

Millicent · 20-03-2012 03:43AM

amacachi wrote: »

So tell her not to get over it?

What's the alternative to getting over it?

Again, you're reading into something in a way it's generally not intended.

When you say "get over it", what do you imagine the person is going to do with that? Think to themselves, "Oh. Perhaps I was wrong to get upset over those eejits. I should just stop being bothered by it"? It doesn't work like that for most.

People do need to get over it, that's fair enough, but being told to do so is probably not going to help achieve that aim, don't you think?

Even if it's not intended, it's how it could be perceived by the victim in that situation.

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