What would you do with Peyton Manning?

davyjose · 19-03-2012 09:45PM

adrian522 wrote: »

49ers fan here, not hugely disappointed by this decision, little surprised but not disappointed.

I think the money being talked about would be too much for Sf to pay, and if Manning had wanted to play for Sf he would have had to take less than Denver and Tennessee were offering.

Fair play to Manning for making his decision quickly. Word is that Alex smith would prefer to stay in SF than move to Miami and was willing to see how it all played out before making a decision. Based on that I expect SF to make an improved offer to Smith but to still sign him to a 3 year contract.

No doubt the relationship between Harbaugh and Smith has taken a setback but they are both professionals and will get over it.

Come what may, with or without smith there is no way SF are drafting a QB in the first round, that was never going to happen.

Looking forward to the season now, Alex will have some good weapons and despite the tough schedule I think a run deep in the play-offs is a definite possibility.

as for the Broncos, good signing and I hope it works out but I don't think they are automatic contenders based on the manning signing but it will be interesting to see how it plays out.

Oh and assuming Smith returns to Sf, the Dolphins will have tried and failed to get 1. Harbaugh, 2. Fisher, 3. Manning, 4. Flynn, 5. Smith.

I'm disappointed on behalf of Manning. Bit surprised your not disappointed tbh, it was as close to a guaranteed ring as you can get IMO. This would have been the best team Manning had played on by a stretch - best D, best receiver, as good a tight end as Clark IMO, and best O line. I believe Manning will be better than in '10 (when he played through the neck injury). Won't win a ring with Smith though. I'd put my years wages on it.

Agree with JollyRG in saying the hurry-up will be a sight to see in Mile High, but without any receivers he might not have it too easy.

davyjose · 19-03-2012 10:01PM

Presumably Manning will revert to number 16 (his college number)?

poldebruin · 19-03-2012 10:05PM

davyjose wrote: »

Presumably Manning will revert to number 16 (his college number)?

Frank Tripucka has said he would be fine if they unretired his number to give to Manning. Not sure of the league rules on this though. 18 or 16 will look good, especially now that the broncos will be wearing orange home unis again.

themont85 · 19-03-2012 10:19PM

poldebruin wrote: »

Frank Tripucka has said he would be fine if they unretired his number to give to Manning. Not sure of the league rules on this though. 18 or 16 will look good, especially now that the broncos will be wearing orange home unis again.

Heard one of the Insiders (Glazer, Schefter ect can't recall exactly who) saying a good few days ago that he won't be wearing #18

davyjose · 19-03-2012 10:22PM

poldebruin wrote: »

Frank Tripucka has said he would be fine if they unretired his number to give to Manning. Not sure of the league rules on this though. 18 or 16 will look good, especially now that the broncos will be wearing orange home unis again.

I'd be horrified if they did that. Unretiring a number is a massive insult IMO.

UCD AFC · 19-03-2012 10:43PM

I agree. Numbers are retired for a reason and they are not just taking a break until a superstar wants to wear it. Thankfully an above post indicates it won't be a problem for Manning.

spiralism · 19-03-2012 11:12PM

Sick as i am of speaking in rumours with events the previous week or so, rumour has it that Manning doesn't want 18 in Denver anyways, he wants a different number to associate with a different team, 18 is associated with Indy to him. Tripucka has given Manning blessing to wear 18 but he won't have it. 16 or 12 imo.

19-03-2012 11:14PM

i think manning would be disappointed with the organization if they where willing to unretire the number for him

spiralism · 19-03-2012 11:15PM

Mohammed Nutritious Earache wrote: »

i think manning would be disappointed with the organization if they where willing to unretire the number for him

we are willing to i believe. but i think it's on his end that he may take a different number and he's a very classy guy so wouldn't want to take a retired number in all likelihood.

fisgon · 19-03-2012 11:56PM

still can't really grasp why he chose Denver, one of the most mediocre teams from last year with an offensive line that is far from stellar, and no real running game or proven receivers on offence. A bit baffling. Elway must be some salesman.
Indy worked because it was built around Manning. Denver have no time to do this, find it hard to see this working out that well.

mikemac1 · 19-03-2012 11:58PM

I assume an offer will be made to Jeff Saturday too

I don't know much about the Broncos Oline or who the current center is.

Would help the transition anyway and Saturday is a wily old pro

spiralism · 20-03-2012 12:04AM

mikemac1 wrote: »

I assume an offer will be made to Jeff Saturday too

I don't know much about the Broncos Oline or who the current center is.

Would help the transition anyway and Saturday is a wily old pro

Bang on the money, Saturday incoming

Speculation is that Clark and Stokely will follow too, maybe Tamme. Wouldn't rule out us taking a look at Brackett and Bullitt either for that matter. I'd be SO happy to get Stokely again, he's old and has only been a bit part player lately but i ****ing loved him, real fan favourite. He'd still come up with 30 odd catches with Manning anyways too.

Also, our current Oline:
Clady: Top 5 LT, regressed slightly in the last year or two but Tebow's a scrambler and Orton had the pocket presence of a sloth after half an ounce of weed. Perennial pro bowler and will likely return to form with Manning in
Beadles: Good run blocker but a ****ing dire pass blocker, allows way too much pressure.
Walton: ****e, one of the worst centers in the league. Saturday will definitely impeach him there.
Kuper: Badly injured himself in the Steelers playoff match with a nasty break. Excellent Right Guard when fit.
Franklin: Solid if unspectacular RT, would likely make a stellar Guard though. If Ryan Harris returns and is fit, he's a better option at RT and Franklin could take Beadles's spot at LG.

JaMarcus Hustle · 20-03-2012 12:39AM

Clady as a top 5 LT is incredibly optimistic don't you think?

20-03-2012 12:45AM

JaMarcus Hustle wrote: »

Clady as a top 5 LT is incredibly optimistic don't you think?

easily i think hes top 2 to be honest

spiralism · 20-03-2012 12:48AM

JaMarcus Hustle wrote: »

Clady as a top 5 LT is incredibly optimistic don't you think?

Perennial pro bowler, the one time a QB with a quick release (Cutler) was under centre, he didnt give up a sack in an entire season. Orton had no pocket presence. Tebow hadn't a notion what the pocket was.

With Clady at 100% (and i think Manning will bring that out of him) only Jake Long, Michael Roos and Joe Thomas are at Clady's level imo.

JaMarcus Hustle · 20-03-2012 12:49AM

Eh, Jason Peters?? Duane Brown?

spiralism · 20-03-2012 12:59AM

JaMarcus Hustle wrote: »

Eh, Jason Peters?? Duane Brown?

Another two excellent players, could maybe toss Jordan Gross in there too. But Clady is definitely on their level. Stats speak for themselves:

No sack given up until 21 games into his career
All pro as a rookie
2 x All pro
2 x Pro bowl

He did give up a few sacks and a good number of penalties this year, however a scrambling QB going on impromptu runs down your end will lead to holds and a long release time leads to sacks. Top lineman without a doubt and Manning under centre and him hopefully finally shaking off knee issues will bring him back to his best

JaMarcus Hustle · 20-03-2012 01:02AM

Duane Brown didn't give up a sack all year despite three different starting QBs, one being a 5th round rookie.

And Peters is generally considered the best LT in the league, I'm shocked you didn't mention him.

I'm not criticising Clady at all, I would have just thought he was clearly a level below Peters, Thomas, Long, Brown and Roos in that order.

TimThomas · 20-03-2012 01:09AM

Clady is not a Top 10 Left Tackle nevermind a Top 5. I also hate when people use Oh he is a pro bowler, So what that is nothing more than a popularity contest anyways. One of the years he made it he was the alternate and the 2 offensive tackles picked for the Pro Bowl generally are always Left tackles shows you how much of a popularity contest it is. Also look up the word Perennial you are using it wrong.

Over the last year if you were to rank tackles Clady wouldn't be anywhere near the Top 10. And most of the Top 10 polls would agree with me done by the experts.

Ryan Clady is highly overrated and I would quickly put all these guys ahead of him:

Peters
Long
Roos
Light
Thomas
Ferguson
Svitek
Whitworth
Veldheer
Penn
Staley
Albert

No order and I could easily name a few more.

Also I love the way you are now throwing Tebow under a bus by saying he doesn't know what the pocket was. I am betting you were one of these guys who defended him to no end.

eagle eye · 20-03-2012 01:16AM

TimThomas wrote: »

Clady is not a Top 10 Left Tackle nevermind a Top 5. I also hate when people use Oh he is a pro bowler, So what that is nothing more than a popularity contest anyways. One of the years he made it he was the alternate and the 2 offensive tackles picked for the Pro Bowl generally are always Left tackles shows you how much of a popularity contest it is. Also look up the word Perennial you are using it wrong.

Over the last year if you were to rank tackles Clady wouldn't be anywhere near the Top 10. And most of the Top 10 polls would agree with me done by the experts.

Ryan Clady is highly overrated and I would quickly put all these guys ahead of him:

Peters
Long
Roos
Light
Thomas
Ferguson
Svitek
Whitworth
Veldheer
Penn
Staley
Albert

No order and I could easily name a few more.

Also I love the way you are now throwing Tebow under a bus by saying he doesn't know what the pocket was. I am betting you were one of these guys who defended him to no end.

Over the last year? Why would you be only rating a guy over one year when he has been there a lot longer?

Clady is deffo top 10 imo, maybe not last year but certainly for what he has contributed since he came into the league.

And Donald Penn is no way a top tackle, he is just about average.

mikemac1 · 20-03-2012 01:19AM

Brandon Stokley still around??

He must be ancient by now

I remember him catching a Trent Dilfer pass for a TD in Superbowl XXXV

spiralism · 20-03-2012 01:24AM

TimThomas wrote: »

Clady is not a Top 10 Left Tackle nevermind a Top 5. I also hate when people use Oh he is a pro bowler, So what that is nothing more than a popularity contest anyways. One of the years he made it he was the alternate and the 2 offensive tackles picked for the Pro Bowl generally are always Left tackles shows you how much of a popularity contest it is. Also look up the word Perennial you are using it wrong.

4 seasons, 2 appearances. One he was shafted (rookie year where he had probably the best rookie year by a tackle in NFL history) and the other he was coming off a serious injury and was on a **** team.

Over the last year if you were to rank tackles Clady wouldn't be anywhere near the Top 10. And most of the Top 10 polls would agree with me done by the experts.

Clady has always been regarded as one of the best, hence all pro selections. Hell, in 2009 he was regarded the best by some. Why over the last year anyways? I'd be willing to bet he tears up this year in the Manning offence.

Ryan Clady is highly overrated and I would quickly put all these guys ahead of him:

Peters
Long
Roos
Light
Thomas
Ferguson
Svitek
Whitworth
Veldheer
Penn
Staley
Albert

No order and I could easily name a few more.

No way the bolded are better than Clady, c'mon man. I'd definitely argue it on Light, Ferguson and Staley too. Worst job they're at the same level.

Also I love the way you are now throwing Tebow under a bus by saying he doesn't know what the pocket was. I am betting you were one of these guys who defended him to no end.

Relax dude, Tebow didnt know what a pocket was more or less, he was highly unconventional. I loved it and still have the height of time for him and will defend him to no end but he did hold on to the ball for quite a bit and ran around a lot. I'm not throwing him under the bus, nor will i, it was part of his game.

TimThomas · 20-03-2012 01:27AM

eagle eye wrote: »

Over the last year? Why would you be only rating a guy over one year when he has been there a lot longer?

The over the last year bit meant I was taking in the new tackles and the previous season into account. Not that their whole career didnt matter.

Clady is deffo top 10 imo, maybe not last year but certainly for what he has contributed since he came into the league.

And my opinion he isn't

And Donald Penn is no way a top tackle, he is just about average.

Firstly I think you will find we are talking about Left Tackles. There are 32Left tackles in the League and I put Penn before Clady, not that much before him But I would put him Top 15 with Clady. If we were to talk about all of the tackles the two of them would drop.

20-03-2012 01:32AM

im an eagles fan and peters is a good tackle but last year he was helped by howard muds system i didn't realise how much of a genius this guy was till he came to Philly.peters can be abused by some pass rushers and he before this year he jumped a lot.
i would say clady, long, thomas, roos and light are the elites and everyone else falls behind.

TimThomas · 20-03-2012 01:35AM

spiralism wrote: »

Relax dude, Tebow didnt know what a pocket was more or less, he was highly unconventional. I loved it and still have the height of time for him and will defend him to no end but he did hold on to the ball for quite a bit and ran around a lot. I'm not throwing him under the bus, nor will i, it was part of his game.

Relax? Ok don't know why you felt the need to tell me to relax but ok.

As for the other bits its all a matter of opinion and I dont think Clady has done enough over the last seasons to warrant Top 10. He started off fantastically and has gone downhill performance wise. Now you can blame the QBs all you want but he still has to stop the man in front of him.

He isnt the same Clady he was a few seasons ago. He will pass protect for you all day but ask him to move and block and he cant do it. Hence all the holding calls over the last few years. Now most will cry that oh Left tackles are made for keeping the QB upright but that is part of their responsibility. He will become one of those tackles who will continue to keep guys off your QB for the most part but dont run or roll out to his side.

TimThomas · 20-03-2012 01:38AM

eagle eye wrote: »

Give us a breakdown of why you think he isn't then.

Why should I justify my opinion to you? Why don't you give me a complete breakdown as to why you think he is? Seems like an odd thing to ask someone when you haven't even justified your own opinion. And why don't you tell me why Penn isn't. See how that works?

eagle eye · 20-03-2012 01:42AM

TimThomas wrote: »

Why should I justify my opinion to you? Why don't you give me a complete breakdown as to why you think he is? Seems like an odd thing to ask someone when you haven't even justified your own opinion. And why don't you tell me why Penn isn't. See how that works?

Well you came out and said he wasn't top 10 so I'd like to hear why. I'll come back then and tell you why Penn isn't.

TimThomas · 20-03-2012 01:44AM

eagle eye wrote: »

Well you came out and said he wasn't top 10 so I'd like to hear why. I'll come back then and tell you why Penn isn't.

Oh I see so the majority in here say he is Top 10 and that is enough of a justification for you so you don't feel the need to justify your own opinion because everyone else says he is top 10 and you agree right? So because I go against the grain and all of sudden you want me to justify my opinion. Ok I get you.

I will play your little game here.

He is a great pass blocker with a solid base and technique but he isnt as strong as most Left tackles and he cant run block for sh1t hence all of the holding calls on him. As the more modern Ends get bigger and faster Clady's technique wont be enough to help him anymore.

20-03-2012 01:47AM

the reason he gave up more sacks with tebow there was because tebow has the slowest release ever you can only give a qb so much time in the pocket with orton,cutler he has had incredible pass protection his run protection is not as good but pass is more important and if your taking away for run protection mat light is not top notch either but hes an exceptional pass blocker

TimThomas · 20-03-2012 01:50AM

Mohammed Nutritious Earache wrote: »

the reason he gave up more sacks with tebow there was because tebow has the slowest release ever you can only give a qb so much time in the pocket with orton,cutler he has had incredible pass protection his run protection is not as good but pass is more important and if your taking away for run protection mat light is not top notch either but hes an exceptional pass blocker

I would take light over him any day because Light is more balanced than Clady and stronger and that doesn't say a lot for Clady's run blocking as Light aint great at it either but he is better than Clady. So a more balanced LT.

What would you do with Peyton Manning?

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