Escaped cop killer goes on the rampage assualts 3 more cops!

lividduck · 17-03-2012 01:06PM #1

http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/0317/mcdermottm.html

This dirtbag is some piece of work, he kills a Garda, gets a light sentence in an open prison, walks out and goes on the rampage in Derry, attacking three police officers and abusing the Judge!

the purple tin · 17-03-2012 01:09PM

Idiot just doesn't know when to quit.

Bad Panda · 17-03-2012 01:12PM

lividduck wrote: »

http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/0317/mcdermottm.html

This dirtbag is some piece of work, he kills a Garda, gets a light sentence in an open prison, walks out and goes on the rampage in Derry, attacking three police officers and abusing the Judge!

Proof that capital punishment is warranted in certain cases.

Waste of life and tax payers money.

Ellis Dee · 17-03-2012 01:14PM

the purple tin wrote: »

Idiot just doesn't know when to quit.

He certainly sounds like his own worst enemy, in addition to being a danger to others. Perhaps open or closed prison is not the best place for him and it might be better to send him to a mental institution for evaluation and possibly appropriate treatment.

Kess73 · 17-03-2012 01:14PM

And to think there is talk of releasing almost two thousand prisoners back into society.

Makes me laugh when I hear that releasing prisoners is the genius solution to overcrowding in some prisons.

Just build more prisons, and make sure people actually serve the sentences they get.

kirving · 17-03-2012 01:17PM

91 previous convictions, never mind the stuff he problably wasn't caught for. A lot of states in the US have an excellent method of dealing with such people.

Mint Sauce · 17-03-2012 01:18PM

I know this is the third thread on this, but just read into todays Irish Times he was transfered to Loughlin house with release in 2015, after time already served and good behaviour.

Stick him in an empty sound proof room with a few PSNI and Gardai for a while, then chuck him in the Joy for the rest of his full sentence.

Obviously has no intention of remorse, or has something wrong with him if he thinks he can escape, run over the boarder, and then mess with the toughest force in the whole of the British Isles.

twowheelsonly · 17-03-2012 01:19PM

Ellis Dee wrote: »

He certainly sounds like his own worst enemy, in addition to being a danger to others. Perhaps open or closed prison is not the best place for him and it might be better to send him to a mental institution for evaluation and possibly appropriate treatment.

Mental Institutions are for people with mental health problems.
Personally I don't consider people with attitude problems who think that laws don't apply to them to be in the same category. And this is a guy with a serious attitude problem.

lividduck · 17-03-2012 01:22PM

Kess73 wrote: »

And to think there is talk of releasing almost two thousand prisoners back into society.

Makes me laugh when I hear that releasing prisoners is the genius solution to overcrowding in some prisons.

Just build more prisons, and make sure people actually serve the sentences they get.

The guy is a scumbag but you cannot allow the actions of one scumbag to determine the whole penal policy of the state.

bbam · 17-03-2012 01:24PM

Ellis Dee wrote: »

He certainly sounds like his own worst enemy, in addition to being a danger to others. Perhaps open or closed prison is not the best place for him and it might be better to send him to a mental institution for evaluation and possibly appropriate treatment.

NO
NO
NO..
We should be spending less money on him not more...
Put him in a small dark room and push the food under the door to him..

Spend the money on schools and hospitals..

This guy and many more like him are "right off's" to society.. We should turn our backs on them and move on..

My name is URL · 17-03-2012 01:30PM

Whoever made the call to send him to an open prison should be sacked tbh. Only 26 years old and almost 100 convictions under his belt.. some people are just beyond any hope of repair.

lividduck · 17-03-2012 01:36PM

My name is URL wrote: »

Whoever made the call to send him to an open prison should be sacked tbh. Only 26 years old and almost 100 convictions under his belt.. some people are just beyond any hope of repair.

Exactly.
Obviously Mammy or Daddy know someone with some clout, there should be a full independent inquirey as to how this dirtbag ended up in an open prison.

Ellis Dee · 17-03-2012 01:48PM

irish-stew wrote: »

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Stick him in an empty sound proof room with a few PSNI and Gardai for a while ...

If I understand that correctly, you are advocating that a prisoner be placed in a soundproof room and then, presumably, beaten up by police officers.

I suppose you are aware that a police officer who assaults a defenceless prisoner, whatever that prisoner might have done or is capable of doing, is committing a serious criminal offence. It is also, of course, an act of craven cowardice and, in the case of a PSNI officer, would be a violation of the oath that all PSNI officers swear to uphold human rights.

I would challenge your apparent assumption that Gardai and PSNI officers in general would be prepared to commit such cowardly and criminal acts. Regrettably, some might, but I still believe they are just a minority of bad apples.

Ireland is, voluntarily, a party to the Convention against Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment

http://www2.ohchr.org/english/law/cat.htm

In any civilised country, it is only courts of law that, following due process, can determine punishments.

Be careful what you wish for, because you might not be so happy if you ever get it.:cool:

Ellis Dee · 17-03-2012 01:52PM

twowheelsonly wrote: »

Mental Institutions are for people with mental health problems.
Personally I don't consider people with attitude problems who think that laws don't apply to them to be in the same category. And this is a guy with a serious attitude problem.

I suggested sending him to a mental institution for evaluation. What that means is that experts would decide whether or not he needs treatment or just has an attitude problem. It seems your expertise outweighs that of the experts, however. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

slavetothegrind · 17-03-2012 02:01PM

well done to the judges who on each and every one of those previous 91 convictions saw fit to release him back into society.

He obviously, like many others of his ilk, learned that there are no serious consequences in this state, even on conviction of a capital crime.

Then you have elements of the religous coming out with idiotic statements about halving the number of prisoners with no plan as to how to deal with them whatsoever.

Outkast_IRE · 17-03-2012 02:06PM

For repeat violent offenders capital punishment should be allowed, how any could defend someone like that is beyond me.

Sunnyisland · 17-03-2012 02:09PM

Outkast_IRE wrote: »

For repeat violent offenders capital punishment should be allowed, how any could defend someone like that is beyond me.

Yep that's worked quite well in the US,CHINA & elsewhere, No more violent crime there :rolleyes:

M cebee · 17-03-2012 02:09PM

repeat offenders should be off the streets
permanently

lividduck · 17-03-2012 02:10PM

realies wrote: »

Yep that's worked quite well in the US,CHINA & elsewhere, No more violent crime there :rolleyes:

Well the ones they executed never committed another crime:rolleyes:

twowheelsonly · 17-03-2012 02:11PM

Ellis Dee wrote: »

I suggested sending him to a mental institution for evaluation. What that means is that experts would decide whether or not he needs treatment or just has an attitude problem. It seems your expertise outweighs that of the experts, however. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Or maybe ask people that have ongoing experience of dealing with these guys on a daily basis rather than put them under the scrutiny of an expert for a half an hour a couple of times.
And yes, I have no problem in saying that my experience, and that of my colleagues, should be listened to and taken into account by some of the so called experts.
A proper expert will take account of an experienced person every time by the way. Unfortunately they're few and far between. Reading the book is fine but you won't fix the the car without getting your hands dirty.

tfitzgerald · 17-03-2012 02:13PM

bbam wrote: »

NO
NO
NO..
We should be spending less money on him not more...
Put him in a small dark room and push the food under the door to him..

Spend the money on schools and hospitals..

This guy and many more like him are "right off's" to society.. We should turn our backs on them and move on..

I agree 100%

Monty Burnz · 17-03-2012 02:14PM

Bad Panda wrote: »

Proof that capital punishment is warranted in certain cases.

Waste of life and tax payers money.

I don't like the idea of capital punishment but it's 99% certain this scumbag will spend the rest of his life harming and blighting the lives of others.

There should be some sort of prison island where these pricks are dumped and left to create their own society. Drop enough food on the island for all the prisoners every week from the air.

Cost of housing them > tiny
Incentive to stay within the law > high

Sunnyisland · 17-03-2012 02:20PM

lividduck wrote: »

Well the ones they executed never committed another crime:rolleyes:

That's true,But would executing people be more about revenge than punishment.Anyway,There is noway that bloke should have been in an open prison,down to portlaoise maximum security is where he belongs and I don't agree with the sentence but that is what our courts decided after taking in all relevant facts about the case.what ever they where.

Logical Fallacy · 17-03-2012 02:33PM

Kess73 wrote: »

And to think there is talk of releasing almost two thousand prisoners back into society.

Makes me laugh when I hear that releasing prisoners is the genius solution to overcrowding in some prisons.

Just build more prisons, and make sure people actually serve the sentences they get.

We could just important one of Holland's many empty prisons.

DB21 · 17-03-2012 02:36PM

Ellis Dee wrote: »

If I understand that correctly, you are advocating that a prisoner be placed in a soundproof room and then, presumably, beaten up by police officers.

I suppose you are aware that a police officer who assaults a defenceless prisoner, whatever that prisoner might have done or is capable of doing, is committing a serious criminal offence. It is also, of course, an act of craven cowardice and, in the case of a PSNI officer, would be a violation of the oath that all PSNI officers swear to uphold human rights.

I would challenge your apparent assumption that Gardai and PSMI officers in general would be prepared to commit such cowardly and criminal acts. Regrettably, some might, but I still believe they are just a minority of bad apples.

Ireland is, voluntarily, a party to the Convention against Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment

http://www2.ohchr.org/english/law/cat.htm

In any civilised country, it is only courts of law that, following due process, can determine punishments.

Be careful what you wish for, because you might not be so happy if you ever get it.:cool:

Because the "person" in question has so dutifully lived up to his responsibilities as a member of this state, and has clearly earned his rights.

Be real, some people enjoy f**king with the law. This lad is a prime example of it. He should be locked in a room with the colleagues of the Garda he killed and a few PSNI officers. He might learn something the hard way.

Joko · 17-03-2012 02:37PM

They should ship him off to this hellhole:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbfjuYtkJRE

Sunnyisland · 17-03-2012 02:46PM

DB21 wrote: »

Because the "person" in question has so dutifully lived up to his responsibilities as a member of this state, and has clearly earned his rights.

Be real, some people enjoy f**king with the law. This lad is a prime example of it. He should be locked in a room with the colleagues of the Garda he killed and a few PSNI officers. He might learn something the hard way.

What exactly would he be learning ? That you don't escape from open prison or you will get battered by a gang of policemen, it never worked before in Ireland when it was happening.I am old enough to remember the heavy gang.,I think some people here need to get real if they think by allowing policemen get revenge on someone for killing a college is ok,Where will that kind of justice end ?Policemen are there to uphold our law not implement a punishment.

And that was my 4000th post here so there.

wexie · 17-03-2012 02:49PM

Monty Burnz wrote: »

I don't like the idea of capital punishment but it's 99% certain this scumbag will spend the rest of his life harming and blighting the lives of others.

There should be some sort of prison island where these pricks are dumped and left to create their own society. Drop enough food on the island for all the prisoners every week from the air.

Cost of housing them > tiny
Incentive to stay within the law > high

I've been saying it all along, we could put a minefield around the beaches to make sure they stay on the island. Then put up webcam's for the monthly food drop (pay-per-view) and make the whole affair a self financing organisation.

On a more serious note guys like these are very unlikely to ever be a useful part of society and while I agree that there's obviously something wrong with him, do we really need to spend a small fortune on 'experts' only to be told that he's had a hard childhood and we should really all feel sorry for him?

With 90 odd previous convictions I'd say he's used up his chances well and truely and at this stage should be taken out of society permanently one way or the other.

Kess73 · 17-03-2012 02:49PM

lividduck wrote: »

The guy is a scumbag but you cannot allow the actions of one scumbag to determine the whole penal policy of the state.

I said nothing about the actions of this one scumbag determining the penal policy of the state.

I said that a possible answer to overcrowding in prisons would be to build new prisons, and that those who commit crimes should actually serve the sentence they are given.

arybvtcw0eolkf · 17-03-2012 03:02PM

Thanks Joko, I was just a little disappointed there were no beatings in it.

Sunnyisland · 17-03-2012 03:07PM

Malaysia Tall Kettle wrote: »

Thanks Joko, I was just a little disappointed there were no beatings in it.

They be done of camera .

Escaped cop killer goes on the rampage assualts 3 more cops!

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