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Debt collectors

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,431 ✭✭✭M cebee


    Rabidlamb wrote: »
    Have you cancelled this card.
    They'll keep adding penalties & interest every month if you don't cancel the card.
    They may have cancelled it already themselves but it's worth checking.



    Ok, if it has been passed on to a Debt Collectors (Cabot Financial, Interim Justia) they have no power to repossess anything.
    They use this threat as a scare tactic to shake out the low hanging fruit.
    As you're not living at that address their is a double reason not to worry on that point, only a court appointed sherrif has the power to remove goods.
    Count yourself lucky they don't have an existing number for you or you'd be getting hounded every day.
    They have bought the debt from the existing CC company, probably for a very small amount with a hope of recouping more than they paid for it.
    The letters will go in a cycle & you'll receive threats of court & draft summonses that look authentic with your name & a court date TBC.
    These "solicitors" work full-time for the Debt Collectors changing names & figures on letter templates.
    After time you'll receive an offer from them asking for 50% or less of the amount owed to settle the matter.
    Normally they give up after 3-6 months of being ignored but occasionally you'll get another fishing letter.

    correct mostly:D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 237 ✭✭Old Tom


    Hogzy wrote: »
    It does work the other way around. If you deposit money in the bank you earn interest on it.
    Yes, it does ONLY in case of the money I voluntarily lodge in a bank of my preference.

    In this mater I was forced to bail the banks, where is my interest on this? I won't even see this money back at any stage. My money was forcibly take off me and given to the bankers.

    If I had done that to any bank, I'd rot in prison for years.

    So no, it does not work the other way around.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,157 ✭✭✭keithclancy


    Old Tom wrote: »
    Yes, it does ONLY in case of the money I voluntarily lodge in a bank of my preference.

    In this mater I was forced to bail the banks, where is my interest on this? I won't even see this money back at any stage. My money was forcibly take off me and given to the bankers.

    If I had done that to any bank, I'd rot in prison for years.

    So no, it does not work the other way around.

    I'm a taxpayer in Germany .. does that mean that I'm owed something ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,050 ✭✭✭token101


    Are WE not paying THEIR debts ?

    The OP is in another country, he's not paying FA.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,012 ✭✭✭kincsem


    Old Tom bailed the banks? Thanks for that.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,297 ✭✭✭Jaxxy


    BraziliaNZ wrote: »
    but for all they know i never received any warnings or letters from them. But yeah, looks like I can never go home lol.

    I wouldn't worry about it, they can't prove that you received anything unless it was signed for. Get your stoner former housemates to write "NO LONGER AT THIS ADDRESS" on all of the letters and put them in a postbox.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 237 ✭✭Old Tom


    I'm a taxpayer in Germany .. does that mean that I'm owed something ?

    I thought I was clear that I speak for myself. My money was taken and given to the bankers and hence I'm concerned whether or not I'm gonna see them back. And with what interest?
    token101 wrote: »
    The OP is in another country, he's not paying FA.
    ... and that's why I am offering that the bank takes the money that was taken off me by force, and use this money to cover his debt, as I stated already in post 13
    kincsem wrote: »
    Old Tom bailed the banks? Thanks for that.
    I have indeed, if you pay your taxes in Ireland - you have as well. So have other taxpayers. If you can't see it.. well, get more lubricant. I'm sure it'll come in handy.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,202 ✭✭✭Rabidlamb


    BraziliaNZ wrote: »
    You're a legend. This is music to my ears as I'm about to go out and enjoy a post work beer on a Friday. Have you been through this yourself? I'd thank you a hundred times if I could, have a nice weekend.


    You enjoy those beers, my wife was through it before with a debt that was never owed.
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=74324240&postcount=4

    The important thing is these people have no more right to demand money than I would calling up at your front door.
    They hope that bullying tactics & false threats scare the majority into paying.
    It must work due to the fact they're in business, lot of timid people out there.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 237 ✭✭Old Tom


    This is actually an excellent video to open people's eyes:



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,515 ✭✭✭Firefox11


    why to people get awfully mixed up about private debt and banks and bailouts.:confused:


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,816 ✭✭✭✭galwayrush


    Tell the debt collector to **** off and deal with the bank direct yourself.


  • Hosted Moderators Posts: 7,486 ✭✭✭Red Alert


    I would say deal with the bank directly, and avoid the heavies.

    However, note that you did run up the debt. Why shouldn't you pay every cent you owe back? I've never run up a credit card bill that I couldn't pay - because I had some sensible restraint and was able to avoid getting drunk on cheap credit. People like the OP amaze me.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 237 ✭✭Old Tom


    Firefox11 wrote: »
    why to people get awfully mixed up about private debt and banks and bailouts.:confused:
    And why people don't get that a debt is a debt and money is money - no matter who owes what? Private, commercial - who cares, the same money, the same debt. The bankers get bailout, what the ordinary people or small local businesses get? A finger up the bum.

    And I have no trouble with my mortgage, any other loans or any other financial worries. I say this because I think it's the right thing to do. We are being fcuked up the "3rd eye" and we think this is the way it should be, just because "it's been like that for years".

    Well, I don't agree with that and I have a constitutional right not to agree with it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,157 ✭✭✭keithclancy


    Old Tom wrote: »
    And why people don't get that a debt is a debt and money is money - no matter who owes what? Private, commercial - who cares, the same money, the same debt. The bankers get bailout, what the ordinary people or small local businesses get? A finger up the bum.

    And I have no trouble with my mortgage, any other loans or any other financial worries. I say this because I think it's the right thing to do. We are being fcuked up the "3rd eye" and we think this is the way it should be, just because "it's been like that for years".

    Well, I don't agree with that and I have a constitutional right not to agree with it.

    THEN DON'T TAKE OUT F*CKING LOANS THEN.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 544 ✭✭✭SBPhoto


    Tell that to the Banks then, they got their money from loans from europe and now we the taxpayers have to fund the repayments.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 237 ✭✭Old Tom


    THEN DON'T TAKE OUT F*CKING LOANS THEN.

    Take it easy with the CAPS there son...

    I dont take loans, but what about the ones who do, and force me to pay for it, huh?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,073 ✭✭✭Pottler


    The law is actually more on your side than theirs OP - there is a SEVERELY low number of times they can contact you before you can register an official complaint against them for undue harassment. Court!? Ha, good luck with that - it's a civil matter and the courts are rammed with bigger fish to fry - idle threat.
    If debt collectors call you, simply tell them that if they call you again you will be taking an action for harrassment against them. The letters are useful for starting the fire in the evening and anybody physically turning up at your door, call the guards and tell them you feel physically intimidated by this person. The collector will run a mile. Offer BOI €50 to clear the debt in FULL. They will pi55 and whinge but will probably take it. Hard neck required here, but you need to turn the tables - don't shout, don't refuse to answer the phone, don't ignore the letters - just smile, offer a crappily small settlement figure - threaten action if they harass you and hard neck your offer till they accept.
    Most importantly for others that owe money, refuse to be intimidated, refuse to have your life made a misery and definitly DO NOT despair or worry yourself sick/into depression. There are men out there who owe millions haveing a steak and a pint tonight without a care in the world - follow their lead and live your life -it's only money.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,157 ✭✭✭keithclancy


    Old Tom wrote: »
    Take it easy with the CAPS there son...

    I dont take loans, but what about the ones who do, and force me to pay for it, huh?

    Mistakingly directed at you, apologies sir


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 15,824 ✭✭✭✭paddy147


    BraziliaNZ wrote: »
    So I owe about 300 euro to Bank of Ireland, as I have been living abroad for ages and although I had a debt of about 5k on a credit card I never completely paid it off, it was 150 or something but they put interest on it etc. Anyway it was registered to one of my friends houses, and they keep getting letters about sheriffs and district courts and all kinds of mullarkey. I don't really care about my credit rating or anything like that, but why are they going through all this hassle for a few hundred euros? I think BOI passed on the debt to some agency, and they are saying they will reposess my stuff etc if I dont pay. But I haven't lived at that address in 7 years and they have no way of knowing where I am. Has anyone had this happen before? What can they do?


    Im sorry but you have both a legal and moral obligation to pay the money back or make a payment plan out with the bank.

    You were able to apply for a credit card and use it alot,so you are liable to pay it back.

    Now,If you cannot afford to pay it off in full,and you can prove that,then make a written offer to the solicitors acting on behalf of BOI and BOI themselves of 2 euro a month on the credit card bill.

    Then you can show a judge in court (if it goes that far) that you tried to make an offer to BOI but they refused you.

    Banks have to be seen to help you out when you make an offer.And banks cannot refuse an offer or whack on extra interest/penalties,if you can prove that you cannot afford to pay it all off in 1 go.

    Go and get advice from Citizins Information or MABS if you are concerned about the matter,which youu seem to be.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 237 ✭✭Old Tom


    paddy147 wrote: »
    Im sorry but you have both a legal and moral obligation to pay the money back or make a payment plan out with the bank.
    Now, this is what I like most.

    OK, he does have "moral" obligation, doesn't he?

    Now...

    There is a bunch of guys (the same bunch I work for) who owe the money, and they have no moral right, moreover - if they feck up - they get money from hard working people of Ireland.

    What point is this fair at now sir?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,073 ✭✭✭Pottler


    ahh the old story-borrow 10k and don't pay it back, you have a problem. Borrow 10 million and dont pay it back, bank has a problem. Anyway, spout away all the "moral virtue" crowd, my kid ran a debt collection agency for a good few years and did well. She gave it up and closed shop last year-too many decent people down on their luck with absolutely no means to pay to be able to keep harassing them and still sleep at night with a clear conscience. Blood from stones and all that.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,671 ✭✭✭BraziliaNZ


    paddy147 wrote: »
    Im sorry but you have both a legal and moral obligation to pay the money back or make a payment plan out with the bank.

    Moral obligation, lol, get a life man, do you think banks are moral leaders or something? If morals came into this, my bill was only about 180 euros or something, down from 6000 when I got caught up in the credit culture scam (at least I didnt' get a mortgage) which I struggled to pay off. I moved abroad and never paid that last few quid. If they had any morals they'd say he was a good customer and we made a load of cash off him so we'll write off those last few quid and close his accounts. But no they are cut throat business people. If I move home in 2 years time or whatever and this crap is still going on then I may offer them something. BOI sold the debt so it's in the hands of these moron debt collectors now. I'm pretty sure I'll be in the clear legally as I couldn't see my bill online, and I never signed for anything or got any letters to my real address. If they're going to bring me to court or jail me for a few hundred quid owed to a scumbag bank/debt collectors, well I'll denounce my citizenship and take a British passport, I'll be entitled to one sooner or later.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,137 ✭✭✭44leto


    Borrow from a credit union and pay it off and rip up your CC, you will need credit sometime in your life.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19 aFineDayToExit


    Just got 2 juicey letters from BOI today, one giving me 21 days to close my current account, the other requesting I pay back a personal loan in full within 21 days, I missed 3 standing order payments due to lack of sufficient funds in my current account ( of which one missed payment was their fault for not notifying me of interest charges, but I still payed manually, in their eyes it was still a missed payment even though they got the monies) Requesting I close my current account due to "unsatisfactory operation of your account" is a bit much I would have thought, considering any time I have being in difficulty I have always gone into the bank personally to explain my situation. What the **** I'm gonna do without a bank account is beyond me, no other bank will want to sign me up so to speak I doubt...... Really looking forward going back into them tomorrow to try and sort out this cluster of a f**k, ya'd swear I owed them millions the way the harrass me, at least I'm bloody trying and they know my situation. i.e. unemployed thanks to the banks ruining this country


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 37,214 ✭✭✭✭Dudess


    Companies who send reminders to people to pay the money they owe for a service they knowingly use - what bastards! Services should be free!

    The sense of entitlement some people have when it's services for which they don't have to pay immediately is just a joke - they pay in the supermarket upfront, why the taking issue with bills for which they get longer to pay? I honestly think it's because they "don't want to" and nothing more.

    I totally sympathise with people who are struggling, but people who just let things build up because they can't be arsed paying, and then get uppity when it's noted: hard to have sympathy for them most of the time.

    It doesn't matter if you don't owe millions - you owe them money, simple as.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23,315 ✭✭✭✭amacachi


    Dudess wrote: »
    Companies who send reminders to people to pay the money they owe for a service they knowingly use - what bastards! Services should be free!

    Don't you realise that them sending reminders is bullying and threatening?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 37,214 ✭✭✭✭Dudess


    Same people would be bitching and moaning then if they DIDN'T get reminders...

    I also love the "I refuse to pay on principle, but it's grand that most other people pay" gem.

    Not referring to the household charge btw, to which I'm opposed. Referring more to commercial services.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23,315 ✭✭✭✭amacachi


    Then again if the recipient feels that it's threatening or bullying then it must be, right? :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,062 ✭✭✭Fighting Irish


    I'd be careful there man, you've left it get to a stage where its gone to court, they may make a judgement in your absence and a warrant will eventually be issued for your arrest.

    http://www.herald.ie/news/courts/credit-card-debt-mum-wont-be-jailed-1748305.html

    Its not a case anymore of whether you owe the money to BOI or not, its a case of whether your going to jail or not the next time your back in Ireland.


    lol

    hope this happens


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,062 ✭✭✭Fighting Irish


    MrStuffins wrote: »
    You ran up debt on your credit Card, it's your own fault, it's not as if they are stealing from you. You spent their money on goods and services and now you don't want to pay them back.

    As for interest etc, that's what you agreed to. You know what you were doing and now making excuses not to pay them back.

    Just pay what yo owe!


    but but but Bertie.....


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