What would you do with Peyton Manning?

Syferus · 15-03-2012 04:16AM

spiralism wrote: »

This is such an embarrassing time to be a Broncos fan...

You've got one of the most exciting QBs in the league, one that with some work can be a fantastic player to go with already being a fantastic leader. From the looks of things if Manning isn't going to the Broncos he's not going near that division so the power balance will be almost identical to the one that lead the Broncos to a division title only three months ago. Without Manning you can put all that cap room into the long term development of a truly dominant defence.

Manning's exciting but the Broncos have an opportunity to develop something unique to themselves rather than grafting on another team's legend to their franchise and hoping to score a Bowl. No reason to fret.

themont85 · 15-03-2012 04:55AM

Manning chooses Tennessee!

spiralism · 15-03-2012 12:27PM

themont85 wrote: »

Manning chooses Tennessee!

i hate you lol, and i should have seen that coming

spiralism · 15-03-2012 12:29PM

Syferus wrote: »

You've got one of the most exciting QBs in the league, one that with some work can be a fantastic player to go with already being a fantastic leader. From the looks of things if Manning isn't going to the Broncos he's not going near that division so the power balance will be almost identical to the one that lead the Broncos to a division title only three months ago. Without Manning you can put all that cap room into the long term development of a truly dominant defence.

Manning's exciting but the Broncos have an opportunity to develop something unique to themselves rather than grafting on another team's legend to their franchise and hoping to score a Bowl. No reason to fret.

Nearly every good free agent has signed in the meantime because we're too busy waiting on word from Manning, Chargers lost VJ but improved elsewhere and KC are after getting hillis. Couple that with a pissed off tebow that we'll end up ****ing off one way or another and we just blew up anything good about this team in our faces.

15-03-2012 01:03PM

Syferus wrote: »

You've got one of the most exciting QBs in the league, one that with some work can be a fantastic player to go with already being a fantastic leader. From the looks of things if Manning isn't going to the Broncos he's not going near that division so the power balance will be almost identical to the one that lead the Broncos to a division title only three months ago. Without Manning you can put all that cap room into the long term development of a truly dominant defence.

Manning's exciting but the Broncos have an opportunity to develop something unique to themselves rather than grafting on another team's legend to their franchise and hoping to score a Bowl. No reason to fret.

thats a matter of opinion tebow was helped by an outstanding defense last year i think he's a very average qb and people have been swept away in the hype hes never put up good numbers and fair enough he seems to score in the 4th quarter but he wouldnt have to if he played for the first 3 hes a superb athlete but not a starter yet in my opinion.

peyton on the other had is i think a top 10 qb of all time and what little iv seen of him throw he seems to be getting back up to speed.

if i was elway i would sign peyton and have tim learn off him tim seems like a humble guy and i think he would relish the opportunity but cant see him getting there the way things are at the mo.

Syferus · 15-03-2012 01:49PM

spiralism wrote: »

Nearly every good free agent has signed in the meantime because we're too busy waiting on word from Manning, Chargers lost VJ but improved elsewhere and KC are after getting hillis. Couple that with a pissed off tebow that we'll end up ****ing off one way or another and we just blew up anything good about this team in our faces.

If anyone isn't going to be a prima dona about this sort of situation it's Tebow. There's still a lot to be had in FA, all that's gone are the market setters, the best value is yet to be had, nevermind the draft.

neilster · 15-03-2012 03:29PM

Jolly Red Giant wrote: »

Reports emerging that Manning is planning to visit the Titans before making a decision.

Interesting this - it was expected to be a decision between the Broncos and Cardinals. This would suggest that he has not been completely convinced by either. The Titans had the only winning record of those in contention - but they do have Hasselback and Locker on the roster.

There are also suggestions that he will meet with the Dolphins over the next couple of days and the Chiefs are pushing hard for a visit.

Looks like the saga won't be over for a while.

http://www.tennessean.com/article/20120311/SPORTS01/120311018/Titans-owner-wants-sign-Peyton-Manning?odyssey=nav|head[/QUOTE]

Manning has not been made the right type of financial offer ...simple as that ...he needs more participants ...everyone said money was no issue but no leaks of amounts from anyone ....

Tennessee mustnt be understimated ...they have an old coot of an owner that will give someone totally everything and leave them alone ....like Jeff Fishers job security for example ...i know he meddled on Vince Young but Manning in the fold ...no need to meddle

And now people are talking about Manning becoming a GM or a senior person in the Front Office if he joins them ....its Tenn the home college town ....no need to listen to Tebow madness .....Arizona are a little behind the curve and Miami is madness

makes you still think why he objected to the Chiefs ...i can understand Seattle as they are a little like the Cards only in the north

You gotta think there is something about Scott Pioli that Manning doesnt like or the Todd Haley firing (he is a fruitcake but the unnecessary haste in hiring him and firing him) and Romeo Crennal's record as a Headcoach or a mix of these things as the Titans seem similar to the Chiefs in a way

Jolly Red Giant · 15-03-2012 03:42PM

spiralism wrote: »

Nearly every good free agent has signed in the meantime because we're too busy waiting on word from Manning, Chargers lost VJ but improved elsewhere and KC are after getting hillis. Couple that with a pissed off tebow that we'll end up ****ing off one way or another and we just blew up anything good about this team in our faces.

This is nonsense -

EXF consistantly said they want to build through the draft - free agency was for depth.

This year they targetted three positions for FA - DT, S and RB with Soliai, a Safety and Tolbert targetted.

Soliai re-signed with the Dolphins so he was never a possibility - they will now probably look at Sims and bring back Bunkley.

They brought in Merriweather who has issues - then Adams and will probably bring in Nelson if Adams doesn't sign.

Tolbert is still on the radar.

For years Shanahan and then McD ran up huge cap space signing free agent donkeys - it has taken until this year to clear the dead money. EXF will look for value in free agency and use the money to re-sign their own players and for signing draft picks.

Of course the exception to this is the best player EVER to hit free agency - it is a position of need and they were right to go for it whether Manning signs or not.

Finally - it is clear that EXF do not consider Tebow is the answer. The will draft a QB (probably Weeden) and I would be surprised if Tebow is a Bronco come September (unless he is willing to play a role as a situational player and another position).

Next season's roster will be better than what just finished and the team overall will improve.

neilster · 15-03-2012 03:43PM

Jolly Red Giant wrote: »

The Texans are not involved with Manning - GM McNair has emphatically ruled it out.

The Denver Post is carrying an article that Manning now has a shortlist of two with the Broncos being one of the two.

Miami seem to have completely shot themselves in the foot by trading Marshall.

Bud Adams has attempted to fly a private jet to Miami twice to pick up Manning but the flight has been cancelled both times.

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_20166207/peyton-manning-has-broncos-among-top-two-choices

Jay Cutler seems to have personally lobbied for Marshall to join the Bears (the nightclub incident i would say wasnt disclosed to the Bears or with Cutlers enthusiasm , they decided to get him anyway)

Miami's motive was probably ...yet another Marshall & women incident ....Manning had little to do with it

Your Bud Adams point are now passe as it appears they may be moving into pole position

Jolly Red Giant · 15-03-2012 03:52PM

neilster wrote: »

Manning has not been made the right type of financial offer ...simple as that ...he needs more participants ...everyone said money was no issue but no leaks of amounts from anyone ....

I disagree - what will happen is that Manning will decide who he wants to play for and will produce the contract he wants - the 'chosen' team will simply pay what they are asked to do.

neilster wrote: »

Tennessee mustnt be understimated ...they have an old coot of an owner that will give someone totally everything and leave them alone ....like Jeff Fishers job security for example ...i know he meddled on Vince Young but Manning in the fold ...no need to meddle

Adams can't help meddling - he does it all the time. Fisher wasn't sacked - he left because he couldn't deal with Adams interferring anymore.

neilster wrote: »

And now people are talking about Manning becoming a GM or a senior person in the Front Office if he joins them ....its Tenn the home college town ....no need to listen to Tebow madness .....Arizona are a little behind the curve and Miami is madness

I don't think this will be a consideration - Manning has all the smarts, skills and abilities of a top notch coach - he has been running the Colts offence for years. I don't think he wants to be in the front office.

neilster wrote: »

makes you still think why he objected to the Chiefs ...i can understand Seattle as they are a little like the Cards only in the north

He dismissed the Chiefs because Pioli is a tin pot dictator who wouldn't give Manning any freedom and Manning knew this.

neilster wrote: »

the Titans seem similar to the Chiefs in a way

Yes they are - decent rosters and a Front Office that will interfere with what Manning wants to do.

EXF have made it clear that they trust Manning to run the offence and he knows they will give him the freedom to do what he wants. The only issue appears to be that Manning was concerned about the affect of the cold weather on his neck injury - but the reality is that most of the time it is not an issue - and Manning would kill opposing defences running the hurry-up in the rarified air of Mile High.

neilster wrote: »

Your Bud Adams point are now passe as it appears they may be moving into pole position

Things have moved on since I posted that a couple of days ago - the issue about the cancelled planes could well have been because the HC and the GM of the Titans don't want Manning - Adams is the one with the infatuation.

If you were Manning would you join a team with an eccentric owner (and thats a nice way of describing him) and a HC and GM that didn't want you (despite the better roster and the family ties) - or would you join a team where the owner and the entire organisation underneath him (with the exception of Tebow) are 100% behind you and you know you are not going to get interference from a nutjob like Adams?

Coupled with this - the Broncos have twice the cap space that the Titans have (they will use most of theirs signing Manning).

neilster · 15-03-2012 04:28PM

My own opinion is that Weedon is a second rounder but will he grade above Ponder & Locker or Dalton ....he could do

Whilst passers have got more important last year was unusual , the new CBA made Cam Newtons' contract half that of Sam Bradfords and the absence of the cap made it attractive to add a passer last year not this year so teams decided to chase QBs so Ponder in particular ended up drafted a round too high . Some of those reasons are missing this year and Peyton Manning & Matt Flynn are also hanging around but i suspect because some teams are in a bind Weedon wont be around at Denvers 25th pick . Teams may be trade back down but ahead of Denver for him . Tannehill will be gone by 20 also which will add to the pressure . Weedon is pretty ready to start day one , he isnt the finished article and his downfield accuracy suffers a alitttle but

Bud Adams for a guy who frees the bird on tv and all his other traits has had some continuity in him , he signed Jeff Fisher and stuck by him for a decade , he is old and wants to win now ...will promise the stars and probably mean it ....Munchak is a bright Coach and i think they (Manning & Him) can work together...maybe Denver are losing this cos Manning feels more at home

Funny the Titans feel more like a Manning team and i would have said that about Houston also .....they were seemingly his fave team to join (if they wanted him)

Sounding off on the Schaub topic , Schaub was probably too talented and the Texans too near to a SuperBowl with him to jump into the Manning chase.....if they didnt get him & remember one team can only prosper (there were 10 teams at least publicly interested ) , they risked a Jay Cutler result with a trade not long after with a lot of the aforementioned teams chasing Schaub

The town that really makes me headscratch as opposed to the Texans is the 49ers ....

15-03-2012 04:37PM

last year was odd dalton and mallet should have been first rounders couldn't believe how far they slipped at the time i havent seen enough of the qb market this year because all anyones talking about is luck and rg3

neilster · 15-03-2012 05:09PM

Jolly Red Giant wrote: »

I disagree - what will happen is that Manning will decide who he wants to play for and will produce the contract he wants - the 'chosen' team will simply pay what they are asked to do.

have just some questions for you then , if you were right he would make his choices ...visit the teams on a shortlist that was brought down from a larger list , the teams would make high offers with lots of guaranteed money ....and he would make his decision , but he hasnt and he is broadening the search in line with more participants ....and he hasnt thrown for anyone yet....and no-one has figures of any kind ...and now Bud Adams is starting to make some pretty large offers which seemed to be above and beyond what has previously been spoken about ...sounds like trying to snare a larger offer to me

Adams can't help meddling - he does it all the time. Fisher wasn't sacked - he left because he couldn't deal with Adams interferring anymore.

Fisher it seems finally left over a job offer for his son ....he could have left over Vince Young , appalling facilities at times any host of things ...you are missing my point ...Fisher stayed for 10 largely good years and Bud Adams kept him for 10 years ...thats all im saying ...as for meddlesome owners try Jerry Jones , Dan Snyder . I know Manning has counted some people out of this but will Bud Adams meddle with a Peyton Manning . Bud Adams also mostly living away in Houston for most of the year . He wasnt micro-mananging as much as is believed

I don't think this will be a consideration - Manning has all the smarts, skills and abilities of a top notch coach - he has been running the Colts offence for years. I don't think he wants to be in the front office.

Manning has gone on record multiple times saying he wont coach ...We are hearing reports about Front Office offers from sources who are speaking to Titan people inside the organisation

He dismissed the Chiefs because Pioli is a tin pot dictator who wouldn't give Manning any freedom and Manning knew this.

I also alluded to this in another post ....Todd Haley may be a lot of things like a loon at times but bugging his office ...im not saying it happened but i could see it happening

Yes they are - decent rosters and a Front Office that will interfere with what Manning wants to do.

Can we just say that what we think of Bud Adams doesnt matter if Peyton thinks him a loveable old man the rest will be history

EXF have made it clear that they trust Manning to run the offence and he knows they will give him the freedom to do what he wants. The only issue appears to be that Manning was concerned about the affect of the cold weather on his neck injury - but the reality is that most of the time it is not an issue - and Manning would kill opposing defences running the hurry-up in the rarified air of Mile High.

Again irrelevant if Manning his a comfort factor in Tennessee , this is an area he knows and if he doesnt resent the unknowns ... i think the Tebow factor didnt make him comfortable ...this was downplayed in Denver imo hence the insistance he be traded

If you were Manning would you join a team with an eccentric owner (and thats a nice way of describing him) and a HC and GM that didn't want you (despite the better roster and the family ties) - or would you join a team where the owner and the entire organisation underneath him (with the exception of Tebow) are 100% behind you and you know you are not going to get interference from a nutjob like Adams?

Firstly i dont think you can say both GM and HC didnt want Peyton. Both men were involved in signing Hasselbeck as a FA last summer as the here and now and drafting Locker as the heir apparent with the 8th pick i think . They have a lot invested in Locker but quite frankly Munchak in particular does not have the emotional capital built up in anyway to try and convince Bud Adams of this . He hasnt won a division much less the playoffs

which brings home the point , why is Manning hanging around Tennessee an awful lot ?
Whose to say this wont smoke out another contender but you and i arent Peyton Manning and he seems to be liking Tennessee

Dohnny Jepp · 15-03-2012 05:20PM

neilster wrote: »

Jolly Red Giant wrote: »

I disagree - what will happen is that Manning will decide who he wants to play for and will produce the contract he wants - the 'chosen' team will simply pay what they are asked to do.

have just some questions for you then , if you were right he would make his choices ...visit the teams on a shortlist that was brought down from a larger list , the teams would make high offers with lots of guaranteed money ....and he would make his decision , but he hasnt and he is broadening the search in line with more participants ....and he hasnt thrown for anyone yet....and no-one has figures of any kind ...and now Bud Adams is starting to make some pretty large offers which seemed to above and beyond what has previously been spoken about ...sounds like trying to snare a lerger offer to me

Adams can't help meddling - he does it all the time. Fisher wasn't sacked - he left because he couldn't deal with Adams interferring anymore.

Fisher it seems finally left over a job offer for his son ....he could have left over Vince Young , appalling facilities at times any host of things ...you are missing my point ...Fisher stayed for 10 largely good years and Bud Adams kept him for 10 years ...thats all im saying ...as for meddlesome owners try Jerry Jones , Dan Snyder . I know Manning has counted some people out of this but will Bud Adams meddle with a Peyton Manning . Bud Adams also mostly stayed away in Houston for most of the year . He wasnt micro-mananging as much as is believed

I don't think this will be a consideration - Manning has all the smarts, skills and abilities of a top notch coach - he has been running the Colts offence for years. I don't think he wants to be in the front office.

Manning has gone on record multiple times saying he wont coach ...We are hearing reports about Front Office who are speaking to Titan people inside the organisation

He dismissed the Chiefs because Pioli is a tin pot dictator who wouldn't give Manning any freedom and Manning knew this.

I also alluded to this in another post ....Todd Haley may be a lot of things like a loon at times but bugging his office ...im not saying it happened but i could see it happening

Yes they are - decent rosters and a Front Office that will interfere with what Manning wants to do.

Can we just say that what we think of Bud Adams doesnt matter if Peyton think him a loveable old man the rest will be history

EXF have made it clear that they trust Manning to run the offence and he knows they will give him the freedom to do what he wants. The only issue appears to be that Manning was concerned about the affect of the cold weather on his neck injury - but the reality is that most of the time it is not an issue - and Manning would kill opposing defences running the hurry-up in the rarified air of Mile High.

Again irrelevant if Manning his a comfort factor in Tennessee , this is an area he knows and he doesnt resent the unknowns ... i think the Tebow factor his been downplayed in Denver hence the insistance he be traded

If you were Manning would you join a team with an eccentric owner (and thats a nice way of describing him) and a HC and GM that didn't want you (despite the better roster and the family ties) - or would you join a team where the owner and the entire organisation underneath him (with the exception of Tebow) are 100% behind you and you know you are not going to get interference from a nutjob like Adams?

which brings home the point , why is Manning hanging around Tennessee an awful lot ? Asking for and seemingly getting some pretty big offer items . Whose to say this wont smoke out another contender but you and i arent Peyton Manning and he seems to be liking Tennessee

I cant even work out which bit is quoted and which bit is your post

spiralism · 15-03-2012 07:07PM

Random fact but people are getting really worked up about the manning thing on the broncos boards as opposed to other teams ones:

Titans forums- 5 biggest Manning threads combined: 597 replies

Dolphins forum- Manning Thread: 857 replies

Cardinals forums- Biggest Manning thread: 154 replies

Broncos forum- Manning Thread: 12,224 replies

This is a SERIOUSLY big deal for Broncos fans and we'll be devastated when we don't get him.

He's titans bound, this cements it imo:

http://www.milehighsports.com/?p=9194

THE INSIDE STORY
What’s really happening during Manning Watch 2012
By Brandon Spano

By the time you have read this, I will have spent my seventh straight day trying to find out where Peyton Manning is going and what his intentions are. Whether it was a source in Denver that had to tell me, “I don’t mind helping, but I don’t work for you, Spano!” or my insider in Indianapolis that wasn’t thrilled about getting a call at 11:00 p.m., East Coast time, I have tracked, dug, yanked and pulled as much info out of as many people as I possibly can.

Based on the information that I have collected from people who I trust and some who have a résumé that will take me 30 years to match, I will attempt to walk you through this entire process and let you in on everything that I know up to this point.

We will start on Friday, when John Elway, Brian Xanders and John Fox met up with Peyton Manning in Stillwater, Okla., after flying him there from Miami. They wasted no time bringing him back to Dove Valley, which turned into a six-hour meeting followed by dinner at Cherry Creek Country Club.

Inside that meeting at Dove Valley, Elway and Manning watched film together and apparently Manning enjoyed the process. One source told me, “Elway and Manning had a great connection from the get-go.” Among many things, they talked about tight ends, the passing game and the team’s self-evaluation of their perceived chances to win a championship.

It was real, with no gimmicks and no frills. The Broncos showed Manning that they wanted to win and explained how they would achieve that with him at quarterback. As one source close to Manning told me, “Contrary to what happened in the last press conference, Peyton has a big issue with Jim Irsay. The relationship is not what it once was and it’s kind of funny, but now Elway and Manning, both have an Irsay issue.”

The Hall of Fame quarterback that won Super Bowls in this town in his late 30’s was talking to a future Hall of Fame quarterback that is attempting the same thing, and the meeting couldn’t have gone any better.

After playing catch in a Castle Rock park with good pal Brandon Stokley the following day, it was time for Manning to continue his tour. Speculation and guesswork would run wild in the process.

While the Arizona media was telling anybody who would listen that Manning loved the place, that couldn’t have been further from the truth. The meeting was a dud. Owner Bill Bidwill showing up to the meeting a few hours late isn’t exactly a sure fire way to get Manning signed. A source very close to the situation explained how Larry Fitzgerald was uninspiring and it almost seemed as if he didn’t really care if Manning came or not. He said, “They rolled out the red carpet and created a dog and pony show that Peyton definitely was not looking for.”

Remember the Broncos meeting? Real with no frills. This was the exact opposite. Manning flew out of Arizona and they haven’t been in consideration ever since. Just don’t tell Michelle Beisner of the NFL Network that; I think she is still there, right now.

The national media tried to pretend that the Houston Texans were in contention, but they were never interested. The Manning camp are actually the ones that made the inquiry, but the Texans just didn’t have the cheddar and they also believe that Matt Schaub can get them to the Super Bowl.

The Seahawks foiled their opportunity with what was described as “aggressive money talk” before Manning had ever even visited the place. They were casted out as fast as they entered.

Remember, these original visits were just team evaluations. Manning wanted to see what kind of opportunity that he had. Some insiders think that Tom Condon was also using these sessions to drive up the price, which would explain why the two teams that wanted to talk money right away, the Chiefs and the Seahawks, didn’t get anywhere. Yes, I mentioned the Chiefs. As I reported on Thursday, March 8, the Chiefs did offer a contract to Manning’s people. I stand behind that claim 100 percent. I’m told the conference call lasted anywhere from four to eight hours, but that’s as far as it went.

The Chiefs were out, the Seahawks were out and the Cardinals were out. The 49ers were never in and the Dolphins were about to be out, as well. That only left the Broncos and a new contender that came out of leftfield, the Titans.

I was sure that the Broncos would land Manning at this point and felt even better about it when a lock solid, stone cold, source told me that Manning was not going to turn down a visit with the Titans out of respect for head coach Mike Munchak, who played with Archie Manning in the early ‘80s. I assumed that this was a formality that had to be overcome before Manning could sign with Denver.

On Tuesday, I was told that Manning had decided to join the Denver Broncos. I was informed that the Titans would fly to North Carolina to meet with him, but the decision was already made. I believed it. But I also knew that there was no way we could send a story of this magnitude to the masses before Manning was even done visiting the Titans. I wrote the story and emailed it. We were locked and loaded, just waiting for the right time to drop it.

Early that afternoon, I received a call from one of my most influential sources throughout the past week and he immediately told me in a very calm tone, “The meeting has been canceled Brandon, Manning is ready to get this deal done. He’s gonna be a Bronco.”

I immediately started to make calls and scan the Internet to clarify. What I found was a Bud Adams flight from Nashville, Tenn., to Raleigh, N.C., that had been canceled.

There was no way that this was a coincidence. This guy hadn’t been wrong yet. I immediately tweeted it and within 30 minutes started seeing nonchalant national reporters eating out of the hands of another PR staff. The national reports went something like this, “The Titans haven’t canceled the meeting; it has been rescheduled for tomorrow.” Some even went out of their way to say that the Titans always planned on meeting Wednesday.

I knew it was wrong. What was going on? Something must have happened, but all I could do was play the waiting game. By Wednesday morning, my sources and many others were freaking out. The buzz was thick. Nobody knew what Adams did or said, but something happened. It was also revealed by NFL insider Shawn Zobel, who has been on my radio show, that there was actually a second meeting planned by the Titans and then canceled by Manning.

All we knew was that Adams said something and it changed EVERYTHING. The same guy who told me that the sky would fall before the Titans signed Manning, sent me a text that said, “I think the sky is falling. Lol.” One problem though, I wasn’t laughing out loud.

Manning met with the Titans for eight hours. I was told and then reported that Adams had the governor of Tennessee call Manning and invite him to the Titans. That has now been confirmed by news outlets in Nashville. It has yet to be confirmed if Bud Adams is offering Peyton and his father Archie a minority ownership role with the Titans, but that is another rumor that many believe to be true.

Based on the report from KHOU-11 Sports in Houston, Adams has offered Peyton Manning a lifetime contract. Maybe that’s what caught Manning’s attention. Or was it the governor? Or the ownership? We might never know.

What we do know is that Bud Adams will do whatever it takes, just like he said. I don’t know about the rules involving players, families and ownership, and I’m not sure what Adams is thinking by offering a lifelong contract, which isn’t possible under NFL rules, if we are thinking of it in that simple notion.

The bottom line? At the moment that I am writing this, it’s 2:00 a.m. in Denver and as far as I know, no contract has been signed. I know for a fact that Peyton Manning was committed to being a Bronco on Tuesday. I also know that the Manning camp was not fully committed to the Titans on Wednesday because they were still trying to get number right with the Broncos.

Nobody knows what will happen next. Bud Adams has made this extremely challenging and it looks like it’s back to the waiting game. Will the Broncos be outplayed by an 89-year-old multi-billionaire? Only time will tell.

poldebruin · 15-03-2012 07:28PM

Hmmm - I don't think this is a price that Denver will (or want to) match.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/15/contract-for-life-would-require-two-contracts-league-approval/

Jolly Red Giant · 15-03-2012 07:38PM

spiralism wrote: »

Random fact but people are getting really worked up about the manning thing on the broncos boards as opposed to other teams ones:

Titans forums- 5 biggest Manning threads combined: 597 replies

Dolphins forum- Manning Thread: 857 replies

Cardinals forums- Biggest Manning thread: 154 replies

Broncos forum- Manning Thread: 12,224 replies

This is a SERIOUSLY big deal for Broncos fans and we'll be devastated when we don't get him.

Of course it is a big deal - Manning is the best player to play the game since Elway retired. You don't turn down that opportunity.

The Cardinals were never really at the races because of cap numbers.

If Miami weren't going to get Manning they were going to go the draft route (Philbin doesn't appear to be interested in Flynn which raises big questions about Flynn)

Denver have been and are working to a plan - getting Manning would allow the plan to skip a few steps. Not getting him means its back to plan A - and that includes dealing with Tebowmania and dealing with the fact he won't be the 'guy'.

I am sure some Broncos fans will be devastated - those of us who have been around the block a few times (I've been a Broncos fan for more than 30 years) are far more realistic in our expectations.

Going for Manning was absolutely the right thing to do - not getting him simply means the Broncos are exactly where they were two weeks ago. The team that is really embarrassed by the whole episode is Arizona - they now have to pay a QB $7million bonus and he has zero incentive to do anything on the pitch.

spiralism wrote: »

He's titans bound, this cements it imo:

http://www.milehighsports.com/?p=9194

If this decision comes down to what team offers Manning the best chance to win the SB then Denver wins hands down. If Manning has shifted his priorities to what he will do after he retires then the Titans have something to offer. Most commentators are still saying its 50-50 - but to be honest if Manning is going to the Titans because of what Adams is offering after he retires then I don't want him in a Broncos uniform - he will have decided that his priority is not winning a SB - and if its not his priority he will not win it. If he joins Denver after rejecting Bud's offer then he will do absolutely everything to win the big one and I want him on my team.

davyjose · 15-03-2012 07:55PM

Agree 100% JRG. I'd be astounded if Manning isn't basing his decision 100% on what team offers him the best chance of getting a ring. I honestly think if he were guaranteed a ring, he'd actually play for free.

Syferus · 15-03-2012 08:01PM

The Titans have better running backs - in fact probably the most talented RB in the league - and better receivers than the Broncos, with a TE with alot of potential in Jared Cook. The Broncos have no one who is as good as Britt, Cook or Johnson. Their defence, even without Finnegan, is and has been one of the best in the league for years and even then it's been hampered by bad and average QB play. Manning gives the Titans a real shot at a Bowl.

Just because you're upset Manning might like the Titans more on alot of levels isn't a good enough reason to throw one of the greatest players in the history of the league under the bus as not truly wanting another ring.

matthew8 · 15-03-2012 08:02PM

I thought it would be ridiculous, but not this ridiculous. Every time he visits a team it's treated as a sure thing that he goes there. Anyone know if he's scheduled to meet with the Chiefs?

Paully D · 15-03-2012 08:23PM

spiralism wrote: »

He's titans bound, this cements it imo:

http://www.milehighsports.com/?p=9194

Really enjoyed reading that, thanks for posting it.

Amazing to think the Cardinals owner showed up hours later for the meeting, madness.

Jolly Red Giant · 15-03-2012 08:28PM

Syferus wrote: »

The Titans have better running backs - in fact probably the most talented RB in the league - and better receivers than the Broncos, with a TE with alot of potential in Jared Cook. The Broncos have no one who is as good as Britt, Cook or Johnson. Their defence, even without Finnegan, is and has been one of the best in the league for years and even then it's been hampered by bad and average QB play. Manning gives the Titans a real shot at a Bowl.

I would happily debate which team has the better players - but that isn't the issue. The Broncos have a far better FO and coaching staff. Adams is a loose canon who orders the coaching staff to do things against their better judgement.

Syferus wrote: »

Just because you're upset Manning might like the Titans more on alot of levels isn't a good enough reason to throw one of the greatest players in the history of the league under the bus as not truly wanting another ring.

Not upset - disappointed yes - Manning would instantly lift the Broncos close to being in a position for a championship. But I will be emphatic about this - if Manning joins the Titans he will not win a SB. The owner, FO and coaches that the Titans have will not be able to build what is needed for him to succeed in doing it - and I think he will also lose motivation.

matthew8 wrote: »

Anyone know if he's scheduled to meet with the Chiefs?

Manning dismissed the Chiefs on day one - didn't want the hassle of working woth Pioli.

Paully D · 15-03-2012 08:29PM

poldebruin wrote: »

Hmmm - I don't think this is a price that Denver will (or want to) match.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/15/contract-for-life-would-require-two-contracts-league-approval/

Before getting to that point, the transaction would have to be approved by a vote of the 32 owners.

I wonder if the other owners might tell them where to go? :pac:

spiralism · 15-03-2012 08:44PM

Paully D wrote: »

I wonder if the other owners might tell them where to go? :pac:

I think Us, Miami, Arizona, Houston, Jacksonville and Indy would tell them where to go with such a deal... palpably unfair if you ask me.

Tenn radio saying it's a done deal. I thought Peyton was better than selling out to work with the closest thing alive to Al Davis but there you go..

Syferus · 15-03-2012 09:36PM

Oh c'mon. The Titans aren't half as badly as run as is being put forth here and, in all reality, Bud Adams is nearing his nineties and he isn't putting everything on the line to get Manning just to tamper with the team once he arrives.

spiralism · 16-03-2012 12:55AM

Syferus wrote: »

Oh c'mon. The Titans aren't half as badly as run as is being put forth here and, in all reality, Bud Adams is nearing his nineties and he isn't putting everything on the line to get Manning just to tamper with the team once he arrives.

He is an interfering enough ****er though, fisher left because he was sick of his ****e. Only for that fact Manning would be holding up their jersey at a press conference right now. It's the only thing that's made him give it a thought with the Titans as opposed to signing the minute he got offered that deal yesterday.

fwiw:

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BTW- Nobody has ANYTHING today around the nation. I have made all the calls, texts, emails. There is nothing. Manning's on lock down.

Dohnny Jepp · 16-03-2012 02:11AM

If Manning signs for us (titans), It will really make my year. I like our team even without Manning, but with him we stand a very very good chance at making the SB.

Good LT, and Hutchinson added to make the oline stronger. With johnson having a full preseason I expect him to be back to the form of the season before last. Britt is a very very talented reciever if he can avoid injury. two solid tight ends.

Defensively not looking so good. Getting a good pass rusher in the draft might help things.

But anyway I'm buzzing at the prospect!!

helimachoptor · 16-03-2012 10:03AM

If we get Manning we'll win the AFC south.
However it'll be quite a battle with the Texans I think.
The Colts will do ok with Luck.

However once winning the division anything can happen tbh.

So if Manning does go to the Titans, I predict the following...
Win the AFC south, win the Wildcard (dont think the record will be good for an automatic spot).
Lose narrowly in the play offs :mad:

poldebruin · 16-03-2012 10:39AM

It does look like it's tipped into Tennessee's favour now.
With all his ties to the area, it must be a pretty appealling offer to be placed on the table - one that will test his willingness to make this a football-playing decision only.

That said, the Titans have a pretty good roster along with a coach he will have a lot of respect for. I wonder if the "playing Indianapolis" thing works for or against the Titans. It's not excatly a Favre situation with Green Bay, and I'm not sure Manning would want to play the Colts twice a year as he is so well liked int he city.

spiralism · 16-03-2012 11:03AM

poldebruin wrote: »

It does look like it's tipped into Tennessee's favour now.
With all his ties to the area, it must be a pretty appealling offer to be placed on the table - one that will test his willingness to make this a football-playing decision only.

That said, the Titans have a pretty good roster along with a coach he will have a lot of respect for. I wonder if the "playing Indianapolis" thing works for or against the Titans. It's not excatly a Favre situation with Green Bay, and I'm not sure Manning would want to play the Colts twice a year as he is so well liked int he city.

he's classy, i'd be willing to say it's a minus for him, not a plus. He'd be horrified at the though of coming out at lucas oil field to a shower of boos.

What would you do with Peyton Manning?

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