Iran concerned over human rights in Ireland.....

KeithAFC · 15-03-2012 07:02PM

prinz wrote: »

They don't? Someone should let them know.

It's not a counter argument to allegations of racism which indeed exists here. It is however a counter argument to the utter hypocrisy of the Iranian regime having the balls to attempt to take the moral high ground when they are a bunch of ****wits who prefer to get busy punishing rape victims worse than their rapists.

This is true. We all know that. But I think some one pointing this out from Iran who is right in what he is saying. Some have said as such in this thread.

CrazyRabbit · 15-03-2012 07:03PM

My best mate is Muslin, and I've told him directly....Muslims would be more welcomed everywhere if they didn't keep trying to enforce their culture and moral beliefs on everyone else. Oddly enough, they are no better than the Americans, who do the exact same...and we know how welcome American's are in muslim countries.

My mate insists that 'true' muslims are respectful of other religions and cultures. But you just have to look at the Muslims in France blocking entire streets at prayer time to see that is not true. No respect for others. Even my mate wants Irelands 'secular' law replaced with 'proper' Sharia law as it would be morally better for us.

I don't care what religion someone believes in. They are welcome to practice it. But I don't welcome anyone who wants to impose their cultural or religious beliefs upon me and my society.

So yes...there may be some xenophobia, but it is based on genuine fear.

Sunnyisland · 15-03-2012 07:03PM

Duggys Housemate wrote: »

No, he is an Iranian representative to the UN, not a member of it.

The point I am making is he is not speaking on behalf of the Iranian government.

Duggys Housemate · 15-03-2012 07:05PM

realies wrote: »

The point I am making is he is not speaking on behalf of the Iranian government.

The point I am making is that he is.

Duggys Housemate · 15-03-2012 07:07PM

KeithAFC wrote: »

This is true. We all know that. But I think some one pointing this out from Iran who is right in what he is saying. Some have said as such in this thread.

Ireland, the Republic, is for all its flaws a million times better than either Iran or the sectarian statelet in the North east.

Run_to_da_hills · 15-03-2012 07:10PM

Iran is also very concerned about out transport system.

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KeithAFC · 15-03-2012 07:12PM

CrazyRabbit wrote: »

My best mate is Muslin, and I've told him directly....Muslims would be more welcomed everywhere if they didn't keep trying to enforce their culture and moral beliefs on everyone else. Oddly enough, they are no better than the Americans, who do the exact same...and we know how welcome American's are in muslim countries.

My mate insists that 'true' muslims are respectful of other religions and cultures. But you just have to look at the Muslims in France blocking entire streets at prayer time to see that is not true. No respect for others. Even my mate wants Irelands 'secular' law replaced with 'proper' Sharia law as it would be morally better for us.

I don't care what religion someone believes in. They are welcome to practice it. But I don't welcome anyone who wants to impose their cultural or religious beliefs upon me and my society.

So yes...there may be some xenophobia, but it is based on genuine fear.

This is true. I think Islamic culture was at its best years ago in Muslim countries. I actually admire the historic figures in Islamic culture like Saladin who was a great warrior but it just isn't the same now.

Sunnyisland · 15-03-2012 07:13PM

Duggys Housemate wrote: »

The point I am making is that he is.

Fcuk that, they have some neck.

xflyer · 15-03-2012 07:18PM

My question is this. Exactly why are the Iranians picking on us. What have we done to offend them? Does this mean we're added to the list of countries targetted on their soon to built nuclear missiles? Israel/Ireland what they heck bomb them all!

Maybe they should send a deputation here to help us understand where we're going wrong.

There's plenty of exiled Iranians here who would welcome them with open arms and flowers:rolleyes:

token101 · 15-03-2012 07:28PM

CrazyRabbit wrote: »

My best mate is Muslin, and I've told him directly....Muslims would be more welcomed everywhere if they didn't keep trying to enforce their culture and moral beliefs on everyone else. Oddly enough, they are no better than the Americans, who do the exact same...and we know how welcome American's are in muslim countries.

My mate insists that 'true' muslims are respectful of other religions and cultures. But you just have to look at the Muslims in France blocking entire streets at prayer time to see that is not true. No respect for others. Even my mate wants Irelands 'secular' law replaced with 'proper' Sharia law as it would be morally better for us.

I don't care what religion someone believes in. They are welcome to practice it. But I don't welcome anyone who wants to impose their cultural or religious beliefs upon me and my society.

So yes...there may be some xenophobia, but it is based on genuine fear.

Did you not point out the total hypocrisy of that statement? It's not xenophobia. Xenophobia is fear based of something purely because it's foreign.

There's an element of truth in what you say. If someone turns to a Western society and says they would like to impose some disgusting moral code practised by barbarians and people who couldn't be classed as humans on a good day, you are entitled to tell them to f*** off back where they came from or, if they are born Irish, to f*** off back to 500 years ago or somewhere like Saudi Arabia. I'd happily do it, and anyone who thinks it's racist is just an idiot. This is Ireland, it's a mostly free country. You're entitled to think we should have some retarded ****ing laws, but I'm equally entitled to tell you go and stick your ideas up your hole. Practice your religion away, but I won't be joining you. I'll be across the road in the pub and if you don't like it, I don't f*cking care. And the day we get these vermin like they have in the UK, preaching hatred and violence against all sorts and wanting this caliphate sh*te and handing out leaflets in the streets, it's deportation/internment time. I'd happily wave these c*nts off at the departure gate.

Duggys Housemate · 15-03-2012 07:31PM

xflyer wrote: »

My question is this. Exactly why are the Iranians picking on us. What have we done to offend them? Does this mean we're added to the list of countries targetted on their soon to built nuclear missiles? Israel/Ireland what they heck bomb them all!

Maybe they should send a deputation here to help us understand where we're going wrong.

There's plenty of exiled Iranians here who would welcome them with open arms and flowers:rolleyes:

I think, honestly, it is an alphabetical thing. They were under scrutiny today, and so were we - so they tried to deflect some criticisms of their regime by criticising us. I am sure we critiqued them too.

( we sit between Iran, Iraq, and Israel. Its joyful)

Standman · 15-03-2012 07:34PM

The Iranian government may be a bunch of **** but the people of Iran are really uniquely nice.

Gummy Panda · 15-03-2012 07:40PM

KeithAFC wrote: »

OldGoat wrote: »

To be fair now he's not a million miles off the mark. Our tolerances as a nation for Jonny foreigner are stretched rather thin.

Absolutely true. Ireland has a big history of this from when the Scottish settlers came and met a hostile reception for many centuries. Iran could well be right in what they are saying here. I don't like Iran but sometimes you have to hold the hands up and try to fix the current problems.

Seriously do post stuff like this so you can get enjoyment from the reaction?

dougieruggie · 15-03-2012 08:03PM

Everyone is aware of WHY Iran said that aren't they?

I mean they didn't just come out and say it, its part of the HRC new system where every states HR record will be scrutinized by another state.

Essentially Iran were required to review Ireland's HR record and make reccomendations. And nothing what they said was wrong.

Biggins · 15-03-2012 08:21PM

token101 wrote: »

We must be fairly f*cking bad!!!!

http://www.thejournal.ie/iran-concerned-over-human-rights-violations-in-ireland-385229-Mar2012/

While I genuinely laughed at first - looking at our state, its unwillingness to address some issues and the rare ones that it does (only after taking 16 years!), I'm beginning to think Iran for all its own madness, might have a point too!

Latest simple example? http://www.thejournal.ie/ireland-criticised-over-rejection-of-abortion-recommendations-385460-Mar2012/

IRELAND’S REFUSAL TO bring in recommendations on abortion from other UN Human Rights Council member states was criticised today.

In the European Court of Human Rights’ judgment in the case of A, B and C versus Ireland, it was found that while women do not have an automatic right to an abortion, Ireland had violated the European Convention on Human Rights by not providing abortion procedures in line with the rights enshrined in the Constitution.

Freddie59 · 15-03-2012 08:38PM

CrazyRabbit wrote: »

My mate insists that 'true' muslims are respectful of other religions and cultures. But you just have to look at the Muslims in France blocking entire streets at prayer time to see that is not true. No respect for others. Even my mate wants Irelands 'secular' law replaced with 'proper' Sharia law as it would be morally better for us.

That paragraph says so much about the Muslim "faith" that there is no need to add anything to it.

fasttalkerchat · 15-03-2012 08:53PM

That lad looks like Roy Keane with a tan

rkeano5 · 15-03-2012 09:43PM

fasttalkerchat wrote: »

That lad looks like Roy Keane with a tan

Really? What a hilariously original observation from you..

Sunnyisland · 15-03-2012 09:59PM

dougieruggie wrote: »

Everyone is aware of WHY Iran said that aren't they?

I mean they didn't just come out and say it, its part of the HRC new system where every states HR record will be scrutinized by another state.

Essentially Iran were required to review Ireland's HR record and make recommendations. And nothing what they said was wrong.

Wasn't aware of that,Its mad being scrutinized by a country which couldn't give to fcuks about your rights, human or other wise.

Manic Moran · 15-03-2012 11:06PM

"His Excellency Mr Gerard Corr"

What's with that?

Standard honorific for an Ambassador.

NTM

Dudess · 15-03-2012 11:53PM

If an ordinary Iranian found fault with aspects of Irish society, fair enough, their view and they shouldn't be made feel they can't express it just because of human rights atrocities in their native country. It's not their fault and they're the ones who have to suffer the most because of it. Just because they criticise Ireland doesn't mean they wouldn't criticise Iran.
But a representative from the Iranian STATE criticising Ireland's human rights record...?! That is comedy gold.

Can someone please advise as to how he's right btw? Forget about it being fashionable to pretend Ireland is really repressed just for the sake of it, forget about the self flagellating due to an inferiority complex, forget about trying to look "enlightened" - please actually put forward a solid, supported reason as to why he's right.
Because while Ireland has some bad eggs (like EVERYwhere) I really can't see what's so horrendous about day to day life for minorities in Ireland. And no, I'm not burying my head in the sand - my mind is actually very open; saying "Yeah Ireland's really repressed and that's that!" isn't, even if those who say it feel they're being all "progressive".
As for travellers, seeing as there are serious problems of crime, violence, intimidation, squalour, and general anti social behaviour prevalent in traveller communities (and leftie social workers will tell you that - and I acknowledge there are very good, decent traveller people) well how can anyone be blamed for being wary of that?

Oh and Fishy, please advise as to why we Irish shouldn't criticise Iran?

therewillbe · 15-03-2012 11:58PM

When are the Israeli`s Nuking that Country! Hell yeah,Back to the Stoneage .:D

Samba · 16-03-2012 12:12AM

Sounds like the Iranians caught an episode of Father Ted tbh.

jetsonx · 16-03-2012 01:03AM

What next...Fianna Fail will be preaching to us about ethics in politics...oh wait...

MyKeyG · 16-03-2012 01:09AM

I love how easy it is to accuse a nation of something that can't be conclusively proven! And that goes to all the lemons on this page who think we have a problem with racism.

For every foreign national that says he/she isn't being embraced by the native population you'll find a native who claims that Johnny foreigner refuses to embrace us. Two similar attitudes yet one comes across as racist!

K-9 · 16-03-2012 01:52AM

dougieruggie wrote: »

Everyone is aware of WHY Iran said that aren't they?

I mean they didn't just come out and say it, its part of the HRC new system where every states HR record will be scrutinized by another state.

Essentially Iran were required to review Ireland's HR record and make reccomendations. And nothing what they said was wrong.

I remember that now, pretty dumb idea. open to abuse but we do have areas that need highlighted.

If an ordinary Iranian found fault with aspects of Irish society, fair enough, their view and they shouldn't be made feel they can't express it just because of human rights atrocities in their native country. It's not their fault and they're the ones who have to suffer the most because of it. Just because they criticise Ireland doesn't mean they wouldn't criticise Iran.
But a representative from the Iranian STATE criticising Ireland's human rights record...?! That is comedy gold.

Can someone please advise as to how he's right btw? Forget about it being fashionable to pretend Ireland is really repressed just for the sake of it, forget about the self flagellating due to an inferiority complex, forget about trying to look "enlightened" - please actually put forward a solid, supported reason as to why he's right.
Because while Ireland has some bad eggs (like EVERYwhere) I really can't see what's so horrendous about day to day life for minorities in Ireland. And no, I'm not burying my head in the sand - my mind is actually very open; saying "Yeah Ireland's really repressed and that's that!" isn't, even if those who say it feel they're being all "progressive".
As for travellers, seeing as there are serious problems of crime, violence, intimidation, squalour, and general anti social behaviour prevalent in traveller communities (and leftie social workers will tell you that - and I acknowledge there are very good, decent traveller people) well how can anyone be blamed for being wary of that?

Non implementation of the X case, prisons, children's and fathers rights are areas we have been criticised before in by the ECHR, Amnesty etc.

And before the cries of "we can't afford prisoner rights" and "bloody Amnesty", most of them are pretty basic expectations and mainly FF dominated Governments of the last 25 years, ignored them.

RichieC · 16-03-2012 01:54AM

Freddie59 wrote: »

That paragraph says so much about the Muslim "faith" that there is no need to add anything to it.

why the scare quotes around faith? is it not really a faith or something?

SamHarris · 16-03-2012 02:10AM

token101 wrote: »

Ireland is immature? The entire island? Do you not see what a stupid f***ing generalisation that is?

As a culture I find Irish people are. We pretend to be comfortable with ourselves but react entirelly childishly when social problems here are pointed out. Or, for example, the furor when our Taoiseach was insulted on US telelvision, many of our radio talking heads took it almost personally, and complained biutterly of the disrepect it was showing. The fact that Irish people were near constantly insulting W was quickly disregarded.

People here are far more aware of social and poltiical issues in the US than they are our own, this is a problem if nothing else. The fact that many people take their ignoracne to mean we dont have many or that they are small is laughable.

But yes, Iran should look to their own enormous institutionalised issues.

The UN human rights body has long been a joke regardless.

SamHarris · 16-03-2012 02:14AM

MyKeyG wrote: »

I love how easy it is to accuse a nation of something that can't be conclusively proven! And that goes to all the lemons on this page who think we have a problem with racism.

For every foreign national that says he/she isn't being embraced by the native population you'll find a native who claims that Johnny foreigner refuses to embrace us. Two similar attitudes yet one comes across as racist!

It can and has often been measured. There was a study recently in which it was found black people on average encountered discrimination once a day. Cant fidn the article.

Yes rascism is far more widespread here than in other Western states, its not a massive social issue and less recogonised because we are so mono chromatic and cutlural (in comparision) that it is rarely witnessed first hand and does not become a socail problem as such.

prinz · 16-03-2012 02:16AM

SamHarris wrote: »

Yes rascism is far more widespread here than in other Western states...

I am going to go with....no on that one.

Iran concerned over human rights in Ireland.....

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