Iran concerned over human rights in Ireland.....

token101 · 15-03-2012 03:35PM

COYW wrote: »

Whilst they are problems that need to be dealt with, I don't think they are as big an issue as homophobia. Ireland is very immature when it comes to such topics. An awful lot of work is necessary in terms of education.

Ireland is immature? The entire island? Do you not see what a stupid f***ing generalisation that is?

humberklog · 15-03-2012 03:36PM

fishy fishy wrote: »

well, in fairness we cannot go round spouting about atrocities in other countries and then get all high and mighty when somebody mentions a couple of our MANY MANY faults. Maybe our fat govt will take a bit more notice now, instead of acting as lapdog extradinaire to the french and german, while driving their own people into the depths of despair.

Christ on a bike...how on earth did that end up on this thread. Wedging extradinaire.

I'd like to see the U.N's thoughts on every topic in Ireland being turned into glib parsing on our economic failings.

As for racism in Ireland? We're about as close to the utopian ideal as any other country.

As for Iran commenting? That's grand, they're entitled to bang on the tables too, regardless of their own deficiencies.

RichieC · 15-03-2012 03:41PM

token101 wrote: »

So it's ok for the likes of Iran to tell us we're racist, with no evidence, as they hang gays, stone adulterers, imprison tourists as 'spies', and murder their own people at will as they demonstrate? Right yeah. There's no evidence of any of this!

The prison one is top notch! Evin Prison in Tehran is known as one of the worst on the planet for torture, and they talk about Limerick :pac:

we never even think of that in the west..

http://storify.com/homophobes/100-homophobes-who-would-kill-their-gay-child

nelly17 · 15-03-2012 03:42PM

Ireland historically do not perfoem well in these perodic reviews! its not just Iran who pulls us up on it.

OldGoat · 15-03-2012 03:56PM

listermint wrote: »

Explain this in full ?

Do you really need me to do a search for examples and reports of racism in Ireland or will you accept that if I were to put the words "Racism, Ireland, Travelers" I would enough hits to justify my statement.
I acknowledge that we are becoming more tolerant and here (on Boards.ie) we are a much more tolerant group then the norm but sadly there is a large number of the population that still think "Dey took our jawbs" is a reasonable attitude to hold.
We abhore the travelers, resent the Poles, hate the Romanians, ignore the Asians. Even our closest neighbour gets a disproportionate number of derogatory references. We seldom have a kind word for the Germans or the French (of late). Our big cousin, the USA is derided on a daily basis.
As a nation we have a long way to go before we shed our racism, as do most nations, but we have a lot further to go.

Rhys Essien · 15-03-2012 03:58PM

Iran are entitled to their opinion.

Prisons in Ireland are overcrowded and have been for years.Mountjoy is only now getting toilets in cells.

There is racism in Ireland,no doubt about it.If I got a euro for the amount of times I heard people say 'They took our jobs','The foreigners have the country fcuked' etc.

How many foreigners are after being murdered/attacked in recent years in unprovoked attacks?(Polish lads stabbed in head,Polish lad going to work,Nigerian taxi driver etc etc.

We are far from fcuking perfect.

token101 · 15-03-2012 04:02PM

RichieC wrote: »

we never even think of that in the west..

http://storify.com/homophobes/100-homophobes-who-would-kill-their-gay-child

Yeah, vermin posting on Twitter is the same thing as the state sponsored murder of homosexuals. Well there's my argument defeated. And who's we? I don't see my name on any of those comments. It's just the lowest form of the human race posting.

listermint · 15-03-2012 04:09PM

OldGoat wrote: »

Do you really need me to do a search for examples and reports of racism in Ireland or will you accept that if I were to put the words "Racism, Ireland, Travelers" I would enough hits to justify my statement.
I acknowledge that we are becoming more tolerant and here (on Boards.ie) we are a much more tolerant group then the norm but sadly there is a large number of the population that still think "Dey took our jawbs" is a reasonable attitude to hold.
We abhore the travelers, resent the Poles, hate the Romanians, ignore the Asians. Even our closest neighbour gets a disproportionate number of derogatory references. We seldom have a kind word for the Germans or the French (of late). Our big cousin, the USA is derided on a daily basis.
As a nation we have a long way to go before we shed our racism, as do most nations, but we have a lot further to go.

Sorry but im surprised by your broad generalisations (thats what they are)

Anyone can pull out some google links to show an odd example but I dont believe We are a racist Island, nowwhere near the level that you are describing. Its laughable

And no im not saying we are perfect. Every country has tools in it but that doesnt mean you can stereotype everyone.

Bob the Seducer · 15-03-2012 04:13PM

So then:

November 3rd 2011: Ireland announces intention to close embassy in Iran.
March 15th 2012: Iran criticises Ireland on human rights violations.

I'd say Iran losing an embassy from a neutral country during a period when they're getting repeatedly threatened by Israel and the U.S. probably annoys them a little.

omahaid wrote: »

"His Excellency Mr Gerard Corr"

What's with that?

He's an ambassador, I believe "His Excellency" is the standard form of address for someone who holds that position.

RichieC · 15-03-2012 04:14PM

token101 wrote: »

Yeah, vermin posting on Twitter is the same thing as the state sponsored murder of homosexuals. Well there's my argument defeated. And who's we? I don't see my name on any of those comments. It's just the lowest form of the human race posting.

Hey, I'm just saying, Hatred is everywhere and these people would gladly see Irans treatment of the gays extended to their own country. Ugandas regime is supported by a Christian right group in the US, the same crowd that are a lot of the money behind the KONY2012 video.

Rabidlamb · 15-03-2012 04:14PM

Look, this muppet state execute their own citizens for being gay by hanging them out of traffic lights.
Why do we even give these nutters oxygen.

Toby Take a Bow · 15-03-2012 04:39PM

token101 wrote: »

There's gangs in Iraq murdering them at will. It was in the Times the other day. I doubt Iran is very tolerant of them either tbh!

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/world/2012/0313/1224313202277.html

Jaysus. I thought maybe it was a typo in the post.

Edit: Just seen from your post that it's Iraq, not Iran. Maybe the original poster confused the two countries?

mconigol · 15-03-2012 04:42PM

GAAman wrote: »

I have never heard a bigger case of the pot calling the kettle black in my life! :eek:

They're called African Americans....RACIST!

token101 · 15-03-2012 05:55PM

OldGoat wrote: »

Do you really need me to do a search for examples and reports of racism in Ireland or will you accept that if I were to put the words "Racism, Ireland, Travelers" I would enough hits to justify my statement.
I acknowledge that we are becoming more tolerant and here (on Boards.ie) we are a much more tolerant group then the norm but sadly there is a large number of the population that still think "Dey took our jawbs" is a reasonable attitude to hold.
We abhore the travelers, resent the Poles, hate the Romanians, ignore the Asians. Even our closest neighbour gets a disproportionate number of derogatory references. We seldom have a kind word for the Germans or the French (of late). Our big cousin, the USA is derided on a daily basis.
As a nation we have a long way to go before we shed our racism, as do most nations, but we have a lot further to go.

Again, all this 'we' stuff. I can only speak for myself, but I've no problems with Poles, Romanians, Asians, Germans, French or the US. I might take issue with people disliking and distrusting travellers being considered racism, but we'll leave that for a different day

Nabber · 15-03-2012 06:17PM

Iran: I got 99 problems but a culchie aint one.

dougieruggie · 15-03-2012 06:21PM

Ireland is a racist country.

It's mainly a different type of racism, which is much more subtle.

Irish people have this air of superiority in which they believe that they are more educated and intelligent than most Polish and Chinese when usually the reverse is true.

I've seen countless times in my line of work where an Eastern European for example, with by far the highest productivity in the entire company and who solves most of the day to day problems, is on the lowest wage and generally treated like crap. Instead promotion will go to some ditzy blonde who went to the institute, learnt off by rote some text that she didnt really understand, did well in the leaving, went to UCD or Trinity and then got a place in the company through a relative. And she (or he) will be utterly useless

bleg · 15-03-2012 06:25PM

I think he's 20 years too late to be honest. If he had made these comments in the mid 90s then there would definitely have been some relevance but today I reckon our society on a whole is tolerant to people of all nationality and religion.

Duggys Housemate · 15-03-2012 06:25PM

Can anybody who is accusing Ireland of being racist point to racist laws on the Irish books? A few anecdotal stories about how some working class friend of yours once said something about the furrineers is not evidence of racism of the State - which is what the UN should be concerned with.

( That said Iran is right about prisons).

Duggys Housemate · 15-03-2012 06:29PM

dougieruggie wrote: »

Ireland is a racist country.

It's mainly a different type of racism, which is much more subtle.

Irish people have this air of superiority in which they believe that they are more educated and intelligent than most Polish and Chinese when usually the reverse is true.

If anything, Ireland has an air of complete and utter inferiority, indicated by the reverse is true comment.

I've seen countless times in my line of work where an Eastern European for example, with by far the highest productivity in the entire company and who solves most of the day to day problems, is on the lowest wage and generally treated like crap. Instead promotion will go to some ditzy blonde who went to the institute, learnt off by rote some text that she didnt really understand, did well in the leaving, went to UCD or Trinity and then got a place in the company through a relative. And she (or he) will be utterly useless

I've seen that happen to me, and other technical and productive people. What you are seeing here is old boyism, or old girlism, and the ability of some people to promote themselves. It's old school tie-ism, don't blame the IRish people, or the State, for actions by some of it's rugby playing elite.

Hoever all countries are like this, and it is only "racist" if it applied to race not class.

Where are the racist laws?

KeithAFC · 15-03-2012 06:33PM

OldGoat wrote: »

To be fair now he's not a million miles off the mark. Our tolerances as a nation for Jonny foreigner are stretched rather thin.

Absolutely true. Ireland has a big history of this from when the Scottish settlers came and met a hostile reception for many centuries. Iran could well be right in what they are saying here. I don't like Iran but sometimes you have to hold the hands up and try to fix the current problems.

Duggys Housemate · 15-03-2012 06:36PM

KeithAFC wrote: »

Absolutely true. Ireland has a big history of this from when the Scottish settlers came and met a hostile reception for many centuries. Iran could well be right in what they are saying here. I don't like Iran but sometimes you have to hold the hands up and try to fix the current problems.

To be fair the Scottish settlers got a "hard time"* because they ran a racist and sectarian State banning the indigenous Irish Catholics from public office, the police, or politics, banning the religion, stopping native education; and seizing indigenous lands, engaging in ethnic cleansing, and general murder and mayhem.

So not quite the same.

By the way, its a hell of a lot safer for a Pole in Dublin, than it is in Belfast, particularly on the estates of the Scottish settlers.

* which , of course, they didn't.

Paparazzo · 15-03-2012 06:40PM

Here's a look at Iran before the Islamic revolution in the 70's:

http://www.pagef30.com/2009/04/iran-in-1970s-before-islamic-revolution.html

If you're on a mobile, get a decent one.

Rothmans · 15-03-2012 06:44PM

KeithAFC wrote: »

OldGoat wrote: »

To be fair now he's not a million miles off the mark. Our tolerances as a nation for Jonny foreigner are stretched rather thin.

Absolutely true. Ireland has a big history of this from when the Scottish settlers came and met a hostile reception for many centuries. Iran could well be right in what they are saying here. I don't like Iran but sometimes you have to hold the hands up and try to fix the current problems.

What!
Oh please tell me you're taking the p!ss.
Generally speaking invading parties don't get a warm welcome from the indigenous population from whom they are displacing from their land.
If ever I've seen a troll post, that was surely it!

KeithAFC · 15-03-2012 06:45PM

Duggys Housemate wrote: »

To be fair the Scottish settlers got a "hard time"* because they ran a racist and sectarian State banning the indigenous Irish Catholics from public office, the police, or politics, banning the religion, stopping native education; and seizing indigenous lands, engaging in ethnic cleansing, and general murder and mayhem.

So not quite the same.

By the way, its a hell of a lot safer for a Pole in Dublin, than it is in Belfast, particularly on the estates of the Scottish settlers.

* which , of course, they didn't.

I think the main focus should be on what Iran are saying here and how there is a problem in the Irish Republic from the perspective of Iran. They don't like the abuse of Human rights and with the stories released in recent years, you can't exactly blame them for pointing this out.

It isn't good enough to just point out the problems Iran has and use that as the counter argument.

Sunnyisland · 15-03-2012 06:45PM

KeithAFC wrote: »

Absolutely true. Ireland has a big history of this from when the Scottish settlers came and met a hostile reception for many centuries. Iran could well be right in what they are saying here. I don't like Iran but sometimes you have to hold the hands up and try to fix the current problems.

Settlers,They didn't seem to settle very well, actually there only coming around about now

Nodin · 15-03-2012 06:45PM

KeithAFC wrote: »

Absolutely true. Ireland has a big history of this from when the Scottish settlers came and met a hostile reception for many centuries. Iran could well be right in what they are saying here. I don't like Iran but sometimes you have to hold the hands up and try to fix the current problems.

"colonists" is the word you needed there.

prinz · 15-03-2012 06:52PM

KeithAFC wrote: »

They don't like the abuse of Human rights... .

They don't? Someone should let them know.

KeithAFC wrote: »

It isn't good enough to just point out the problems Iran has and use that as the counter argument.

It's not a counter argument to allegations of racism which indeed exists here. It is however a counter argument to the utter hypocrisy of the Iranian regime having the balls to attempt to take the moral high ground when they are a bunch of ****wits who prefer to get busy punishing rape victims worse than their rapists.

Duggys Housemate · 15-03-2012 06:54PM

OldGoat wrote: »

Do you really need me to do a search for examples and reports of racism in Ireland or will you accept that if I were to put the words "Racism, Ireland, Travelers" I would enough hits to justify my statement.
I acknowledge that we are becoming more tolerant and here (on Boards.ie) we are a much more tolerant group then the norm but sadly there is a large number of the population that still think "Dey took our jawbs" is a reasonable attitude to hold.
We abhore the travelers, resent the Poles, hate the Romanians, ignore the Asians. Even our closest neighbour gets a disproportionate number of derogatory references. We seldom have a kind word for the Germans or the French (of late). Our big cousin, the USA is derided on a daily basis.
As a nation we have a long way to go before we shed our racism, as do most nations, but we have a lot further to go.

This to me hilights the modern absurdity with regards to racism, claims of racism, and accusation of Sate racism. The entire paragraph is, well, bollocks.

1) We may abhore[sic] the travellers but that might be legitimate. The question is, is there State discrimination? The answer is clearly, no. In fact the reverse, the state bends over backwards for travelers.
2) Resenting immigration is not racism, it isn't now and it never was. Sure people who benefit from immigration - largely an elite - shout racism all the time, but immigration will generally lower income for the unskilled, and increase rent, so it makes sense that it is resented. A racist view is "I am racially superior to that person" not "immigration is hurting my wages", or "day turk my jobs". In fact jobs might well have been taken.
3) Nobody hates the romanians, people dislike the Roma. In general they are considered aggressive beggars.
4) The hostility to the Germans and French is new, and is to do with the actions of their governments in the recent, rather forced, bailout.
5) There is anti-US comment in Ireland, and the UK. If being anti-US is racist there are few nonracists amongst the left. Which is surprising, i would have thought.

The proof that Ireland is not a racist State is the clamouring for ethnic status by certain groups. I see travelers as class, a lifestyle, not an ethnic group. But they want that status, and want it badly.

However were a State racist towards minorities the last thing you would want to do is get your minority status enshrined in law. Think about whether anybody would do that under Nazzism ( although you might get it done for you).

Heres the kind of minority you don't want to be - the Bah'ai in Iran.

Sunnyisland · 15-03-2012 06:55PM

Afaik This man was speaking on behalf of the UN not Iran ,that he is Iranian is just a coincidence. Iran is recognised by the UN lads & lassies.

Duggys Housemate · 15-03-2012 06:59PM

No, he is an Iranian representative to the UN, not a member of it.

Iran concerned over human rights in Ireland.....

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