Huge hike in road tax as motor cash dries up

Sobanek · 09-03-2012 07:05PM

Deleted User wrote: »

The tax on fuel and cars is just plain wrong, we have no choice but to use our cars, we can't all live in Dublin because 90% of the work is in Dublin, that's not our fault nor justification for high fuel tax.

High tax means people won't spend, that's what the government don't realise.

If tax was fair on new car purchases then people will buy more new cars, if there was no less vat and 0 vrt cars would be more affordable.

Paying 10 grand tax and more on a small little car like a Volkswagen Golf is WRONG!

Why have such high tax ? I know why we all do, to bail out the banks no other reason.

Just because someone can afford a new car doesn't mean it's right to screw them with tax and say well if you can afford it you should be taxed very highly on it, it's wrong. It's wrong to tax the hell out of the ordinary man making sure he can never afford a new car, but only for such high taxes he or she may be able to, keeping more people in jobs because they have more money at the end of the month to spend on things they want and not have it taken from them in tax!

Life is so hard now that I wonder if it gets worse will everyone just say to hell with the mortgage and leave the country and the banks to go FCuk themselves ? you could never come back to Ireland, but there isn't much you would be leaving behind and it's making my blood boil they agreed to bail out Anglo. This country sickens me to the point I want to go, but the god damn mortgage is the only thing holding me here like a bloody nose around my neck and it''s slowly but surely choking the life out of me, and the banks have the life sucked out of Ireland, god help us in another few years as I feel it will get a lot worse!

Finally someone who posted something that makes sense. Not just "pay up and shut up".

Can you declare yourself bankrupt in Ireland? My family's considering to move to Canada right now. It's bad enough with the fuel prices, higher taxes and all other stuff that goes around.

Just before you say anything, I've paid €1.399 a litre in November. With this price, transport cost per year was €2900 for two members in my family, right now it's €3200. Before you say that's not much, it's €25 per month. €6.25 per week. That's €6.25 per week less than it used to be. I haven't been on holidays since 2007. We're living month to month right now, because of the mortgage rates.

There's €290 on the shared bank account - €160 has to go to UPC, another €150 for AES Waste Removal. No money for food or anything else for the next 10 days.

Oh, I forgot to mention the €62 that has to go to fuel the car for the whole week.

The situation keeps getting worse and worse, but people just don't seem to care about it.
IT'S TIME TO WAKE UP. THE GOVERNMENT CAN'T TAX ITS WAY OUT OF A RECESSION.

I'm actually considering to go out and find a job now instead of going to college, just so I can support my parents. I'm not even sure if I'll be able to afford to go to college.

dr.fuzzenstein · 09-03-2012 07:08PM

shedweller wrote: »

Agreed on everything but this bit. There would never be enough of a supply of veg oil to meet any demand for it. Not to mention the price of it going crazy due to demand and putting people back where they started, with expensive fuel!

Darn, just no winning here, where's Charlie Sheen when you need him!;)

09-03-2012 07:55PM

Sobanek wrote: »

............... We're living month to month right now, because of the mortgage rates.

There's €290 on the shared bank account - €160 has to go to UPC, another €150 for AES Waste Removal. No money for food or anything else for the next 10 days.

Oh, I forgot to mention the €62 that has to go to fuel the car for the whole week...............

No money for grub but ye are throwing €160 to UPC?

Living month to month due to the mortgage rates?? Are ye the same family who send their son to a private school miles away in a car ??

keithclancy · 09-03-2012 08:01PM

RoverJames wrote: »

No money for grub but ye are throwing €160 to UPC?

Living month to month due to the mortgage rates?? Are ye the same family who send their son to a private school miles away in a car ??

160 bucks a month on UPC ... WTF ??!?!! :eek:

Sobanek · 09-03-2012 08:01PM

RoverJames wrote: »

No money for grub but ye are throwing €160 to UPC?

Living month to month due to the mortgage rates?? Are ye the same family who send their son to a private school miles away in a car ??

Yes. €160 to UPC since we haven't paid in two months.

Yes. I go to a private school James, I was lucky enough to get a scholarship in a good school. I worked for it, it didn't come on a plate.

09-03-2012 08:12PM

I'd cancel the UPC if things are that tight, €80 month can buy quite a lot of grub.

Our man in Havana · 09-03-2012 08:12PM

As for paying for rubbish, simply burn it. More money saved.

Sobanek · 09-03-2012 08:14PM

RoverJames wrote: »

I'd cancel the UPC if things are that tight, €80 month can buy quite a lot of grub.

We're moving to a lower rate starting April.

09-03-2012 08:18PM

Would ye not consider the free sat thing, one off charge of €200/€300 and no monthly bill, you'd get internet for €20/month that would do the job grand

Tigger · 09-03-2012 08:19PM

shedweller wrote: »

Agreed on everything but this bit. There would never be enough of a supply of veg oil to meet any demand for it. Not to mention the price of it going crazy due to demand and putting people back where they started, with expensive fuel!

there is an excess of muttiple millions of biodiesel being produced in europe each year
they were set up to keep increasing the 5 added to diesel but dpf's don't like the stuff (it burns too stickey)

Tigger · 09-03-2012 08:20PM

shedweller wrote: »

Agreed on everything but this bit. There would never be enough of a supply of veg oil to meet any demand for it. Not to mention the price of it going crazy due to demand and putting people back where they started, with expensive fuel!

there is an excess of muttiple millions of liters biodiesel being produced in europe each year
they were set up to keep increasing the % added to diesel but dpf's don't like the stuff (it burns too stickey)

dgt · 09-03-2012 08:21PM

RoverJames wrote: »

I'd cancel the UPC if things are that tight, €80 month can buy quite a lot of grub.

Exactly my thoughts. What's wrong with a decent FTA setup?

shedweller · 09-03-2012 08:30PM

Tigger wrote: »

there is an excess of muttiple millions of liters biodiesel being produced in europe each year
they were set up to keep increasing the % added to diesel but dpf's don't like the stuff (it burns too stickey)

Ah the DPF rears it's pig ugly head again. Wasn't that invented to capture the soot caused by the use of the EGR? The EGR makes soot don't ya know!
But yeah, i'd love to use biodiesel, but the QC on it can vary like crazy and i cannot afford to ruin my fuel pump or injectors.

Mad lad, Sobanek, i hope everything works out for you both.:(

Sesshoumaru · 09-03-2012 08:37PM

RoverJames wrote: »

Would ye not consider the free sat thing, one off charge of €200/€300 and no monthly bill, you'd get internet for €20/month that would do the job grand

+1

We got rid of our UPC TV service completely a month or two ago. We got a Ferguson Ariva 120 freesat box for €99. I think if you do a search on Boards you'll find threads on this box. Cbeebies for the kids and plenty of other channels for the adults.

*edit*
We got a €20 digital antenna receiver for Saorview in Tesco. It plugs in to the freesat box we got, so we get those 8 or 9 Saorview channels as well. You're paying your license fee, so might as well make use of those channels.

TGi666 · 10-03-2012 02:27AM

RoverJames wrote: »

So you are against hikes in the emissions based rates?

im against any hikes, as the government have shown already they wont just hit the post 08 cars
also created a facebook group
http://www.facebook.com/groups/300578936675516/
please join and show some support

dahamsta · 10-03-2012 08:22AM

Facebook groups make PetitionOnline look effective. If you want to make a statement, delete the retarded Facebook group and go and talk to your local pols. Like, the actual people.

10-03-2012 08:39AM

RoverJames wrote: »

Would ye not consider the free sat thing, one off charge of €200/€300 and no monthly bill, you'd get internet for €20/month that would do the job grand

Good point, I got rid of sky, apart from anything else I was sick of reality tv and repeats.

If you got sky already a half decent decoder will,cost 100 quid, my recommendation though is if you got sky + then get a twin tuner freesat+ box from amazon. You will miss the recording. I really don't miss sky and I can rent movies off iTunes if I want to watch one I know is good. But I wish I got one of the freest+ they are expensive, but the non frees at + certified won't work properly with epg.

10-03-2012 08:57AM

Our man in Havana wrote: »

As for paying for rubbish, simply burn it. More money saved.

Naughty very naughty, that's what some people do here at night and the stink of plastic burning turns my stomach.

Bin charges about 350 a year with aes hardly unaffordable, I really don't see the problem, I waste I must pay for its removal, that to me is a luxury not a hardship, if I had to bring it to the council, that would be hardship for me.

If I couldn't afford a bin collection like I hear so many bitch about then I would cancel my mobile contract, which is the same as the bin costs per month. Or cancel any other unnecessary things I pay for. I would cancel my Internet and get a pay as you go dongle.

Seriously I'm really annoyed and it kills me to see our countryside destroyed with fly tipping, it actually makes my blood boil thinking I'm paying for it while others are throwing it in ditches. And people throwing rubbish out car windows is another disgrace!

I went to my local,td and said to him fly tipping in the south of Kildare is at epidemic proportions, still nothing being done about it! the council won't cleanit up, this is a dirty country, and Irish people are filthy to do stuff like this, it is not just travellers that do it either!!!

I have never seen anything like that in Germany and my girls parents are absolutely horrified and disgusted when they come over and see it, and to think that's what they talk to to their friends when they go back home is even more disturbing.

Every house in Ireland should by law have a bin collection and like the tv license anyone who,doesn't should be thrown in jail, no excuses! You waste you pay!!!!

As bad as Ireland's economy is at the moment I actually do love this little island and I love going for cycles in the country, but to see this disgusting rubbish all over the place is really one more incentive to get the hell out!!!

Why do Irish people thing everything should be free ?????

10-03-2012 09:05AM

Do people actually realise that to run cars on gas costs a lot less not to mention being much much cleaner ?

How come we never talk about that ?

Seriously electric cars are so much cheaper, maybe a Nissan leaf in a year or 2 ?

Can already get one from uk for 24 k they charge a massive premium n Ireland second hand ( surprise surprise ) making the leaf hold its value better than any other car on the road! So I think that puts leaf owners minds at ease!

Top Dog · 10-03-2012 09:29AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Do people actually realise that to run cars on gas costs a lot less not to mention being much much cleaner ?

It may well cost less, but there's a big lump initially for the gas system to be fitted and after that you've the fun of trying to find a forecourt with an LPG pump.

keithclancy · 10-03-2012 09:56AM

Top Dog wrote: »

It may well cost less, but there's a big lump initially for the gas system to be fitted and after that you've the fun of trying to find a forecourt with an LPG pump.

My original plan was to get a 1998 Mercedes S-Class from the UK, import it here and then convert it to LPG.

Got a quote for 2045 euros for installation, registration and a 100,000 km warranty.

Worked out I'd need to drive it for 1 and a half years to get the cost of the LPG Installation back.

Although with the way the price of petrol went it would have been much shorter and almost every station here sells LPG

Tomk1 · 10-03-2012 11:16AM

chrismon wrote: »

I dont think its fair to change this tax system.
They encouraged people to scrap cars that were in perfect working order, to buy these new lower emisions/lower tax cars.
THOUSANDS of people did this and now the people are being penalised :mad:

When you say 'encouraged' you mean paid or finacial encouragement, ie. Subsidy to manufactures, + a wad of cash in the scrappage scheme.

- - -
Is it true that emission efficiency of these cars falls off after a few years? I have heard of the 'clear-blue'?? system being by-passed rather than replaced.

looks like I'll be driving me old 1L swift for a long while yet, with it's near zero.zero emissions yet bizarrely paying a higher tax rate than a 2L with a higher carbon footprint.

teR_ · 10-03-2012 12:05PM

The whole motor tax system needs to be retaught in this country, because currently its fuכked.

TGi666 · 10-03-2012 12:52PM

dahamsta wrote: »

Facebook groups make PetitionOnline look effective. If you want to make a statement, delete the retarded Facebook group and go and talk to your local pols. Like, the actual people.

Last time i was in with the local TD i was told 'sure what can we do, countrys broke' like the actual person i am

sure what harm is a facebook page goin to do? Worst happens is 'actual people' go visit there local TD's

vetstu · 11-03-2012 07:58AM

snaps wrote: »

one of the disadvantages of having the tax on the fuel would be the hit on tourism (how many cars would come across from the uk and mainland europe for their holidays if fuel is sky high?), possibly the closure of the filling stations on the border, plus the loss of all the civil service jobs in the motor tax offices!

Seeing as it is about 15c dearer in England anyway, they wouldn't mind

dahamsta · 11-03-2012 08:40AM

And it was already been covered, mathematically, earlier in the thread.

11-03-2012 10:01AM

Top Dog wrote: »

It may well cost less, but there's a big lump initially for the gas system to be fitted and after that you've the fun of trying to find a forecourt with an LPG pump.

I'm talking about cars that come factory ready for gas!

There are manufacturers that make them, I "think" Opel being one ?

As for the availability, well I really haven't paid that much attention to it to be honest.

I think we should create another thread about it ?

Farmer Pudsey · 11-03-2012 10:46AM

teR_ wrote: »

The whole motor tax system needs to be retaught in this country, because currently its fuכked.

John Gormley made a mess of it just like the greens made amess of everything else they interfered with they never taught of the conquences of what they done the first three bands are all for less than 200 euro and I say 60-70% of new car fall into these bands. The government now find that the revenue from car tax is falling fast also if they raise it by a small persentage say 10% the people with pre 08 car get hammered so they have to reajust the whole system

11-03-2012 10:57AM

It was no harm to reduce the tax on cars which is outrageously high.

And to think people want the increased taxes to go on fuel is even more unbelievable. Fuel is already taxed so high that if it continues, people will have to make a choice of fuel to drive to work and have their family miss out on basic essentials such as food or new clothes or go on the dole and not have to spend 200-300 + per month on fuel which would go a good way towards paying bills.

Seriously such high taxes as we are paying on cars and fuel is severely damaging.

The Government don't understand what it's like because they don't understand that a lot of people have to drive long distances to work and don't have their fuel paid by the tax payer and are on incomes where that 200-300 pm on fuel is like 5 euros to the likes of Enda Kenny or Joan burton or Phil Hogan! They need a serious wake up call !

What we need is substantial reductions in fuel tax and leave the car tax alone, the motorist can not pay back the IMF !

11-03-2012 11:25AM

How about that ?

My Girlfriend just told me that in Germany you get tax back on fuel per km, if you need it for work!!!

Wouldn't it take the Germans!!!

No brains in Government in Ireland!

Huge hike in road tax as motor cash dries up

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